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Colt McCoy...better then VY?

Yes i know its too early to judge the kid....and McCoy will have lots of years to grow and get better,but he's suprised the shit outta me.

After watchin the AA game last year, i figured Snead would be the starter for Texas by week 5 or 6...

But watchin McCoy, he doesnt throw bonehead balls like VY did when he was a RS freshmen and he's alot more poised then other give him credit for...
Stat wise, he is very very good.

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Troy Smith is better than both.
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Troy Smith is better than both.
troy smith is tearing up that secondary on ESPNU..
Only figured to watch the game because one of my old teammates is a DB at Indiana..

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troy smith is tearing up that secondary on ESPNU..
Only figured to watch the game because one of my old teammates is a DB at Indiana..
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Troy Smith is better than both.
Troy Smith is 0-1 against VY, so no he's not.

Smith is having a great year, but he's also a Senior.

Colt had 18 TD's coming into today and already has 2 today, for a total of 20.

Smith had 17 TD's coming into today and has 4 in this game so its 21 to 20.
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Troy Smith is 0-1 against VY, so no he's not.

Smith is having a great year, but he's also a Senior.

Colt had 18 TD's coming into today and already has 2 today, for a total of 20.

Smith had 17 TD's coming into today and has 4 in this game so its 21 to 20.
Troy Smith is goin to have a Heisman, something VY will never have.

And one player does not win the game. VY did not single handely win a game...oh sorry VY is GOD and you know what he shit last night because it's still inside his jock with you.
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Troy Smith is so good, the reason Vince went to the pro's is because he knew he couldn't win the hiesman this year.
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Troy Smith is so good, the reason Vince went to the pro's is because he knew he couldn't win the hiesman this year.
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Troy Smith is goin to have a Heisman, something VY will never have.

And one player does not win the game. VY did not single handely win a game...oh sorry VY is GOD and you know what he shit last night because it's still inside his jock with you.
VY might get it if they take it away from bush for taking that money.
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Troy Smith is so good, the reason Vince went to the pro's is because he knew he couldn't win the hiesman this year.
Please.

VY had a 4000+ combined yard season and 38 TD's. When Smith gets that, let me know.
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VY might get it if they take it away from bush for taking that money.
LOL...that's not going to happen...regardless he didn't win it outright. Bush received the votes, not Vince.
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Please.

VY had a 4000+ combined yard season and 38 TD's. When Smith gets that, let me know.
can't compare them right now...Troy Smith will have the Heisman and VY won't...
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can't compare them right now...Troy Smith will have the Heisman and VY won't...
I'm going to laugh my ass off if Brady Quinn steals that thing. You know how the media loves those Golden Domers.
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I'm going to laugh my ass off if Brady Quinn steals that thing. You know how the media loves those Golden Domers.
I'm going to laugh my ass off everytime you try to use statistics and theories to prove why you are the smartest person in here...hold on, I already do.
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I'm going to laugh my ass off everytime you try to use statistics and theories to prove why you are the smartest person in here...hold on, I already do.
Yeah, I think its funny your "bad ass" senior QB only has 1 more TD pass this season than a redshirt freshman. AWESOME!
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Yeah, I think its funny your "bad ass" senior QB only has 1 more TD pass this season than a redshirt freshman. AWESOME!
So you would take Colt over Troy Smith in a game you absolutely had to win? Why is Colt not in the Heisman talk if he's so bad ass? you are so blind it's amazing.
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So you would take Colt over Troy Smith in a game you absolutely had to win? Why is Colt not in the Heisman talk if he's so bad ass? you are so blind it's amazing.
What red-shirt Freshman QB has ever been in Heisman consideration within the recent past? None that I know of. Its purely a seniority thing.

Colt has matured 100 fold since playing Ohio State.
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What red-shirt Freshman has ever been in Heisman consideration within the recent past? None that I know of. Its purely a seniority thing.

Colt has matured 100 fold since playing Ohio State.
Yes...because the defenses he's faced since then are ANYFUCKING WHERE NEAR what the Buckeye's D is like...LMAO.
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What red-shirt Freshman QB has ever been in Heisman consideration within the recent past? None that I know of. Its purely a seniority thing.

Colt has matured 100 fold since playing Ohio State.
Michael Vick

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Yes...because the defenses he's faced since then are ANYFUCKING WHERE NEAR what the Buckeye's D is like...LMAO.
And Ohio State hasn't faced anyone of consequence since Texas either. Point?
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Michael Vick
I'd like to see a link for that.

EDIT: Found it.

http://www.hokiesports.com/vick/

Ok, 1 out of how many in the past 7 years.
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And Ohio State hasn't faced anyone of consequence since Texas either. Point?
I didn't say Troy Smith matured 100 fold since they played UT...but they have played better opponents than UT has faced.
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LOL, we found the exact same link.
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I didn't say Troy Smith matured 100 fold since they played UT...but they have played better opponents than UT has faced.
After their game today, Texas and Ohio State will have faced the same amount of ranked opponents. Ohio State's non-ranked Big 10 games are equal to Texas' non-ranked Big XII games.
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After their game today, Texas and Ohio State will have faced the same amount of ranked opponents. Ohio State's non-ranked Big 10 games are equal to Texas' non-ranked Big XII games.
I could pull a venom and put up stats and such...but it would be stupid of me to do that. The Big 10 is a better conference than the Big XII and the quality of opponent...and UT is losing right now in the 4th.
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I could pull a venom and put up stats and such...but it would be stupid of me to do that. The Big 10 is a better conference than the Big XII and the quality of opponent...and UT is losing right now in the 4th.
The Big XII's 5 teams in the top 25 vs. the Big 10's 3 in the top 25 says otherwise.

Still plenty of time in the game.
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awfully quiet in here now....

McCoy with a fumble, almost lost... and now they are punting with 3:05 left

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awfully quiet in here now....

McCoy with a fumble, almost lost... and now they are punting with 3:05 left

Bye Bye Texas!
Its quiet in here even if Texas was winning.
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Yes i know its too early to judge the kid....and McCoy will have lots of years to grow and get better,but he's suprised the shit outta me.

After watchin the AA game last year, i figured Snead would be the starter for Texas by week 5 or 6...

But watchin McCoy, he doesnt throw bonehead balls like VY did when he was a RS freshmen and he's alot more poised then other give him credit for...
Stat wise, he is very very good.
I was thinking the same thing, that by this point in the season we would be fielding Snead. I have mentioned several times before and during this season that I don't trust McCoy after some of his playing last year, but it does look like he is getting the experience needed to steady out. Will he be better than VY? Dunno. He definetely could be a better "traditional" QB in college ball (and, if ever, have more success in pro ball) but what made VY so good in college ball is his ability to carry on his own. He (McCoy) is getting better and better though and is definetely a damn good RS Frosh QB.

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I was thinking the same thing, that by this point in the season we would be fielding Snead. I have mentioned several times before and during this season that I don't trust McCoy after some of his playing last year, but it does look like he is getting the experience needed to steady out. While he be better than VY? Dunno. He definetely could be a better "traditional" QB in college ball (and, if ever, have more success in pro ball) but what made VY so good in college ball is his ability to carry on his own.



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Colt didn't play last year. That was Matt McCoy.

Colt will have the better passing #'s as he's more of the traditional QB than a dual-threat. Colt can still run, but not like Vince.
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Colt didn't play last year. That was Matt McCoy.

Colt will have the better passing #'s as he's more of the traditional QB than a dual-threat. Colt can still run, but not like Vince.
My bad, bad verbage. I did get a chance to watch him in practice last year. But then again, at the time...I was comparing to a top of his game VY.
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Yes i know its too early to judge the kid....and McCoy will have lots of years to grow and get better,but he's suprised the shit outta me.

After watchin the AA game last year, i figured Snead would be the starter for Texas by week 5 or 6...

But watchin McCoy, he doesnt throw bonehead balls like VY did when he was a RS freshmen and he's alot more poised then other give him credit for...
Stat wise, he is very very good.
colt is a better qb than vy but vy is the better runner.
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colt is a better qb than vy but vy is the better runner.
I wouldn't say he's the better QB. Colt will need to have a 4,000+ yard/38 TD season before I state that.
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I wouldn't say he's the better QB. Colt will need to have a 4,000+ yard/38 TD season before I state that.
he will before he leaves, he is by far the better qb, he can actually throw the ball with touch pass the 20 yrd mark.
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he will before he leaves, he is by far the better qb, he can actually throw the ball with touch pass the 20 yrd mark.
He'll have some great #'s, but I doubt he gets to 4,000+ combined and that many combined TD's.
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Like most everything in this game, it's going to be something that's pretty damn hard to compare.

VY was great because he could keep a D on their toes, and still throw great. Yes, even pass the 20 yd. mark. Colt looks like he will be more precise, but a bit more predictable which is both easier and harder to defend depending on the kind of defense you have. What's the point in even trying to rank one over the other?
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