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BCS is out..Va Tech is still overrated

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1 USC 1 2809 .9943 1 1544 .9961 24 25 23 23 24 24 .950 2 .9802 1
2 Texas 2 2728 .9657 2 1494 .9639 25 24 25 25 25 25 1.000 1 .9765 2
3 Alabama 4 2521 .8924 3 1398 .9019 22 18 21 20 22 22 .850 T-4 .8814 4
4 Miami 3 2537 .8981 4 1385 .8935 21 23 19 22 21 21 .850 T-4 .8805 6
5 Penn State 6 2192 .7759 6 1139 .7348 23 20 24 24 23 23 .930 3 .8136 7
6 Virginia Tech 8 2011 .7119 8 1116 .7200 20 22 22 21 20 20 .830 6 .7540 3
7 LSU 5 2284 .8085 5 1283 .8277 12 19 13 11 10 10 .460 T-13 .6987 8
8 Ohio State 10 1833 .6488 10 962 .6206 17 13 18 19 19 18 .720 7 .6632 10
9 Georgia 9 1889 .6687 9 1093 .7052 16 21 15 8 7 13 .520 12 .6313 11
10 Oregon 11 1663 .5887 11 919 .5929 18 15 20 16 17 19 .700 8 .6272 13
11 Notre Dame 7 2131 .7543 7 1124 .7252 9 5 7 10 12 8 .340 18 .6065 14
12 Texas Tech 12 1432 .5069 13 745 .4806 11 16 16 18 16 16 .640 10 .5425 15
13 Florida 13 1344 .4758 12 754 .4865 10 17 9 7 9 11 .390 17 .4507 16
14 West Virginia 17 1122 .3972 15 710 .4581 6 11 12 12 11 12 .460 T-13 .4384 17
15 UCLA 14 1326 .4694 14 744 .4800 14 8 10 4 4 6 .280 T-19 .4098 5
16 Wisconsin 19 680 .2407 19 385 .2484 19 14 17 17 18 17 .690 9 .3930 12
17 TCU 18 957 .3388 18 491 .3168 13 12 14 2 5 14 .440 15 .3652 18
18 Colorado 22 575 .2035 21 302 .1948 15 9 11 15 14 15 .550 11 .3161 22
19 Florida State 16 1151 .4074 16 667 .4303 2 0 2 3 3 2 .090 24 .3093 9
20 Auburn 15 1244 .4404 17 619 .3994 0 6 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .2799 20
21 Michigan 21 582 .2060 22 275 .1774 7 10 8 14 15 9 .410 16 .2645 21
22 Fresno State 20 594 .2103 20 360 .2323 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 NR .1475 24
23 Georgia Tech 24 203 .0719 24 117 .0755 8 3 5 6 6 4 .210 22 .1191 NR
24 Minnesota 29 36 .0127 31 17 .0110 4 0 4 13 13 7 .280 T-19 .1012 NR
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personally i think The OSU should have come up a little more in the polls...
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so when does Bama get there test? and do you guys think they can compete with Texas or USC?

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Bama to me has a good defense, but i personally don't think that they have the team to keep up with either USC or Texas. Bama had a hard time trying to beat Miss State.
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so when does Bama get there test?
Bama will lose to LSU on Sat.

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why is ND so hated on...by far the best 2 loss team(shouldnt have lost either) but still 11th in poll....damn u MSU and Michigan and Tenn for sucking

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why is ND so hated on...by far the best 2 loss team(shouldnt have lost either) but still 11th in poll....damn u MSU and Michigan and Tenn for sucking
They have no good wins, and only one good loss, and one bad loss. That turns voters off, as well it should.They'll be a BCS team.

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How will ND get an at large BCS bid? They have lost 2 games and there are a lot of 1 loss teams in front of them. A BCS bowl for ND is out of the question.

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They have no good wins, and only one good loss, and one bad loss. That turns voters off, as well it should.They'll be a BCS team.
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How will ND get an at large BCS bid? They have lost 2 games and there are a lot of 1 loss teams in front of them. A BCS bowl for ND is out of the question.

The media will make sure that ND has a place at the table of 8, come BCS selection show.

"Notre Dame (6-2) moved up three spots to 11th, meaning the Fighting Irish are now in place to become BCS eligible by winning their final three games. Notre Dame needs at least nine regular-season wins and a final BCS ranking in the top 12 to be eligible for selection by one of college football's four big-dollar bowl games."

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There are only 2 at large bids. You have to believe that Miami is going to get one of them, and that an SEC team will get another.
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The media will make sure that ND has a place at the table of 8, come BCS selection show.

"Notre Dame (6-2) moved up three spots to 11th, meaning the Fighting Irish are now in place to become BCS eligible by winning their final three games. Notre Dame needs at least nine regular-season wins and a final BCS ranking in the top 12 to be eligible for selection by one of college football's four big-dollar bowl games."
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There are only 2 at large bids. You have to believe that Miami is going to get one of them, and that an SEC team will get another.
Why would Miami get one if they win the ACC?

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If them and FSU wins out FSU has the tie breaker for the South.
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You guys are way under-estimating the power that ND has with the media, when it comes down to it. If it's a choice of "thug U" or ND, does anyone really believe that they won't make SURE it's ND?

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If them and FSU wins out FSU has the tie breaker for the South.
The ACC is broken up into the Atlantic and Coastal divisions (confusing). FSU is in the Atlantic, and VT and Miami are in the Coastal. And even if Miami and FSU were in the same division, Miami would win if they both won out because FSU has 2 conference losses (NCSU & UVA) and Miami only has one.

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You guys are way under-estimating the power that ND has with the media, when it comes down to it. If it's a choice of "thug U" or ND, does anyone really believe that they won't make SURE it's ND?
I don't doubt the power the media has in making ND seem like the #1 team in the nation. A few years ago they somehow got an at-large and got smoked by Oregon St in the Fiesta Bowl w/ Stephen Jackson running all over their asses. Out of the 2-loss teams in the nation right now, I'd say Notre Dame has the best shot by far of making a BCS Bowl, unless OSU beats Michigan easily in the Horseshoe.

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I really dont care about the ACC, but you have to believe that some of the one loss teams will get the 2 at large BCS bids over ND.
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The ACC is broken up into the Atlantic and Coastal divisions (confusing). FSU is in the Atlantic, and VT and Miami are in the Coastal. And even if Miami and FSU were in the same division, Miami would win if they both won out because FSU has 2 conference losses (NCSU & UVA) and Miami only has one.
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Isn't there some kind of by law about mid majors and independents getting preferential treatment over major conferences? "The Notre Dame Rule" or some such?

IIRC, if a mid major or indy is BCS elgible, they weill automatically get the nod over a major.

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The media will make sure that ND has a place at the table of 8, come BCS selection show.

"Notre Dame (6-2) moved up three spots to 11th, meaning the Fighting Irish are now in place to become BCS eligible by winning their final three games. Notre Dame needs at least nine regular-season wins and a final BCS ranking in the top 12 to be eligible for selection by one of college football's four big-dollar bowl games."
He's right. The media darling will be playing in a big bowl, although undeservingly. Did you guys read the article on ESPN.com about Weiss getting the extension after going 5-2 while Ty went 8-0 against a tougher schedule with less talent? Coming into this past weekend, ND's 5 wins had come against teams with a combined record of 5-2. Tenn, whom they beat this weekend at home, also has a losing record. Fact is that they haven't beaten anyone they weren't supposed to. The same can be said for VT. Texas still has the biggest win of the season against OSU and they were the underdog there. The media doesn't look at all the facts like that when ND is involved, so bank on them playing in a major bowl.

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The Notre Dame Rule

Any team from an independent institution, or Conference USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, or Western Athletic Conferences, which is ranked third through sixth in the final BCS standings, shall qualify for a berth in one of the BCS games unless more than two teams meet this criterion. If one team other than Notre Dame qualifies for selection under this provision, Notre Dame shall also qualify for automatic at-large selection provided it is ranked in the top 10 in the final BCS standings or has won at least nine games, not including exempted games. If two or more teams other than Notre Dame meet this criterion, Notre Dame shall also qualify for the at-large pool provided it is ranked in the top 10 of the final BCS standings or has won at least nine games, not including exempt contests.

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TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 USC 1 2809 .9943 1 1544 .9961 24 25 23 23 24 24 .950 2 .9802 1
2 Texas 2 2728 .9657 2 1494 .9639 25 24 25 25 25 25 1.000 1 .9765 2
3 Alabama 4 2521 .8924 3 1398 .9019 22 18 21 20 22 22 .850 T-4 .8814 4
4 Miami 3 2537 .8981 4 1385 .8935 21 23 19 22 21 21 .850 T-4 .8805 6
5 Penn State 6 2192 .7759 6 1139 .7348 23 20 24 24 23 23 .930 3 .8136 7
6 Virginia Tech 8 2011 .7119 8 1116 .7200 20 22 22 21 20 20 .830 6 .7540 3
7 LSU 5 2284 .8085 5 1283 .8277 12 19 13 11 10 10 .460 T-13 .6987 8
8 Ohio State 10 1833 .6488 10 962 .6206 17 13 18 19 19 18 .720 7 .6632 10
9 Georgia 9 1889 .6687 9 1093 .7052 16 21 15 8 7 13 .520 12 .6313 11
10 Oregon 11 1663 .5887 11 919 .5929 18 15 20 16 17 19 .700 8 .6272 13
11 Notre Dame 7 2131 .7543 7 1124 .7252 9 5 7 10 12 8 .340 18 .6065 14
12 Texas Tech 12 1432 .5069 13 745 .4806 11 16 16 18 16 16 .640 10 .5425 15
13 Florida 13 1344 .4758 12 754 .4865 10 17 9 7 9 11 .390 17 .4507 16
14 West Virginia 17 1122 .3972 15 710 .4581 6 11 12 12 11 12 .460 T-13 .4384 17
15 UCLA 14 1326 .4694 14 744 .4800 14 8 10 4 4 6 .280 T-19 .4098 5
16 Wisconsin 19 680 .2407 19 385 .2484 19 14 17 17 18 17 .690 9 .3930 12
17 TCU 18 957 .3388 18 491 .3168 13 12 14 2 5 14 .440 15 .3652 18
18 Colorado 22 575 .2035 21 302 .1948 15 9 11 15 14 15 .550 11 .3161 22
19 Florida State 16 1151 .4074 16 667 .4303 2 0 2 3 3 2 .090 24 .3093 9
20 Auburn 15 1244 .4404 17 619 .3994 0 6 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .2799 20
21 Michigan 21 582 .2060 22 275 .1774 7 10 8 14 15 9 .410 16 .2645 21
22 Fresno State 20 594 .2103 20 360 .2323 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 NR .1475 24
23 Georgia Tech 24 203 .0719 24 117 .0755 8 3 5 6 6 4 .210 22 .1191 NR
24 Minnesota 29 36 .0127 31 17 .0110 4 0 4 13 13 7 .280 T-19 .1012 NR
25 Louisville 23 374 .1324 23 242 .1561 0 4 1 0 0 0 .010 NR .0995 NR

Well Va Tech has played 3 teams that are in the current BCS ranking and only lost to the one currently ranked 4th. The others they beat are WVA and GA Tech, why are
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1 USC 1 2809 .9943 1 1544 .9961 24 25 23 23 24 24 .950 2 .9802 1
2 Texas 2 2728 .9657 2 1494 .9639 25 24 25 25 25 25 1.000 1 .9765 2
3 Alabama 4 2521 .8924 3 1398 .9019 22 18 21 20 22 22 .850 T-4 .8814 4
4 Miami 3 2537 .8981 4 1385 .8935 21 23 19 22 21 21 .850 T-4 .8805 6
5 Penn State 6 2192 .7759 6 1139 .7348 23 20 24 24 23 23 .930 3 .8136 7
6 Virginia Tech 8 2011 .7119 8 1116 .7200 20 22 22 21 20 20 .830 6 .7540 3
7 LSU 5 2284 .8085 5 1283 .8277 12 19 13 11 10 10 .460 T-13 .6987 8
8 Ohio State 10 1833 .6488 10 962 .6206 17 13 18 19 19 18 .720 7 .6632 10
9 Georgia 9 1889 .6687 9 1093 .7052 16 21 15 8 7 13 .520 12 .6313 11
10 Oregon 11 1663 .5887 11 919 .5929 18 15 20 16 17 19 .700 8 .6272 13
11 Notre Dame 7 2131 .7543 7 1124 .7252 9 5 7 10 12 8 .340 18 .6065 14
12 Texas Tech 12 1432 .5069 13 745 .4806 11 16 16 18 16 16 .640 10 .5425 15
13 Florida 13 1344 .4758 12 754 .4865 10 17 9 7 9 11 .390 17 .4507 16
14 West Virginia 17 1122 .3972 15 710 .4581 6 11 12 12 11 12 .460 T-13 .4384 17
15 UCLA 14 1326 .4694 14 744 .4800 14 8 10 4 4 6 .280 T-19 .4098 5
16 Wisconsin 19 680 .2407 19 385 .2484 19 14 17 17 18 17 .690 9 .3930 12
17 TCU 18 957 .3388 18 491 .3168 13 12 14 2 5 14 .440 15 .3652 18
18 Colorado 22 575 .2035 21 302 .1948 15 9 11 15 14 15 .550 11 .3161 22
19 Florida State 16 1151 .4074 16 667 .4303 2 0 2 3 3 2 .090 24 .3093 9
20 Auburn 15 1244 .4404 17 619 .3994 0 6 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .2799 20
21 Michigan 21 582 .2060 22 275 .1774 7 10 8 14 15 9 .410 16 .2645 21
22 Fresno State 20 594 .2103 20 360 .2323 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 NR .1475 24
23 Georgia Tech 24 203 .0719 24 117 .0755 8 3 5 6 6 4 .210 22 .1191 NR
24 Minnesota 29 36 .0127 31 17 .0110 4 0 4 13 13 7 .280 T-19 .1012 NR
25 Louisville 23 374 .1324 23 242 .1561 0 4 1 0 0 0 .010 NR .0995 NR

Well Va Tech has played 3 teams that are in the current BCS ranking and only lost to the one currently ranked 4th. The others they beat are WVA and GA Tech, why are you hating on Tech is it because I root for them Hook em, you sure do make my opinion special, thank you!
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Even though they got beat by the #4 team in the nation they still should have fallen just as much as UCLA did for the type of utter beating they took. You have to admit that if Va Tech was as good as their ranking said they were they should have at least made that one close, espically with them being @ home.
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You have to admit that if Va Tech was as good as their ranking said they were they should have at least made that one close, espically with them being @ home.
I wholeheartedly agree. IF they weren't overrated, the game would have been much closer. I mean, hell, UT vs Ohio State was as close of a game as you can get. They were ranked 3? spots apart I believe, and at the time both deserved that ranking. I know that nothing is perfect, and some teams are gonna slip by the system, but I guess that's why we need a playoff system.
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I wholeheartedly agree. IF they weren't overrated, the game would have been much closer. I mean, hell, UT vs Ohio State was as close of a game as you can get. They were ranked 3? spots apart I believe, and at the time both deserved that ranking. I know that nothing is perfect, and some teams are gonna slip by the system, but I guess that's why we need a playoff system.
Yeah they were ranked but now we have come to find out they were over rated, so you all had a real close game with a team that sits at number 8 in the BCS today. VT lost to the team currently ranked 4th in the nation, great argument
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Yeah they were ranked but now we have come to find out they were over rated, so you all had a real close game with a team that sits at number 8 in the BCS today. VT lost to the team currently ranked 4th in the nation, great argument
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if he does then i know him and Quincy have been snorting the cane together. Bama is right where they need to be and i still think that The OSU needs to be ranked higher.
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if he does then i know him and Quincy have been snorting the cane together. Bama is right where they need to be and i still think that The OSU needs to be ranked higher.
I don't know if 'Bama deserves to be up that far despite their unbeaten record. They really haven't blown anyone away except for Florida. They also have to still play LSU this week and Auburn next week. I'm pretty sure they will drop one of those two especially with the injuries they just incurred over the weekend.
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Bama is right where they need to be.. LSU isn't as strong as they were a few years ago.. Auburn might have a chance to beat Bama... we will see.. it's going to get intresting.
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He's right. The media darling will be playing in a big bowl, although undeservingly. Did you guys read the article on ESPN.com about Weiss getting the extension after going 5-2 while Ty went 8-0 against a tougher schedule with less talent? Coming into this past weekend, ND's 5 wins had come against teams with a combined record of 5-2. Tenn, whom they beat this weekend at home, also has a losing record. Fact is that they haven't beaten anyone they weren't supposed to. The same can be said for VT. Texas still has the biggest win of the season against OSU and they were the underdog there. The media doesn't look at all the facts like that when ND is involved, so bank on them playing in a major bowl.
ND has its own contract with NBC so there is another pull to get them in the BCS. As for the extension they were trying to make it harder for an NFL team to lure him away by upping the buyout clause. Willingham didn't have the NFL experience that Weiss has so there was less danger of him getting swooped up by the NFL.
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Yeah they were ranked but now we have come to find out they were over rated, so you all had a real close game with a team that sits at number 8 in the BCS today. VT lost to the team currently ranked 4th in the nation, great argument
Yeah, cause you got beat by them... the whole point is moot now cause you lost. And if you (VTech) were supposedly a #3 team then Miami must be the best team in the nation cause you got completely handled by them... and your all star QB turned out to be the 'deer in the headlights' which is if I remember correctly how you thought Miami would be. The reason I would call them slightly overrated (at this point) is that they completely got owned by a big time quality team. Say what you want, but BC and GTech are not big time quality teams... they are the middle ground programs that are still tough to play but by no means powerhouses. Texas proved it's worth by going into one of the hardest places to play and getting it done (Ohio State). VTech was home at one of the toughest places to play and got bent over. First major test and the failed BIG TIME... not even close at halftime the way Vick was getting thrashed. So yeah, I'm gonna throw the overrated flag on VTech as well... not that they aren't a good program, but I don't think they are a top 5-10 program.

and the OSU arguement is really pointless cause we gave them one loss and thier other loss comes from #5 BCS Penn State. If anything that makes our OSU win even that much more credible cause of the gauntlet that is the Big Ten this year.
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davidaustin, some people might not understand that when teams win they move up in the rankings and that when teams lose they move down in the rankings.

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Yeah, cause you got beat by them... the whole point is moot now cause you lost. And if you (VTech) were supposedly a #3 team then Miami must be the best team in the nation cause you got completely handled by them... and your all star QB turned out to be the 'deer in the headlights' which is if I remember correctly how you thought Miami would be. The reason I would call them slightly overrated (at this point) is that they completely got owned by a big time quality team. Say what you want, but BC and GTech are not big time quality teams... they are the middle ground programs that are still tough to play but by no means powerhouses. Texas proved it's worth by going into one of the hardest places to play and getting it done (Ohio State). VTech was home at one of the toughest places to play and got bent over. First major test and the failed BIG TIME... not even close at halftime the way Vick was getting thrashed. So yeah, I'm gonna throw the overrated flag on VTech as well... not that they aren't a good program, but I don't think they are a top 5-10 program.

and the OSU arguement is really pointless cause we gave them one loss and thier other loss comes from #5 BCS Penn State. If anything that makes our OSU win even that much more credible cause of the gauntlet that is the Big Ten this year.
You had a great argument going until you puked up that shit about they aren't top 10 quality. They have been winning maybe you forgot Beamer guided a young Tech team that was picked to finish sixth in the ACC to a league title and a BCS Bowl just last year. Hell lets go back a few years

"Tech finished 9-3 in 1993 after beating Indiana, 45-20, in the Independence Bowl game. Tech followed up with an 8-4 season in 1994, losing to Tennessee, 45-23, in the Gator Bowl.

The Tech teams in 1995 and 1996 were among the best in school history. The 1995 team swept the BIG EAST Conference championship outright and the 1996 club tied for the title with Syracuse and Miami.

The 1995 team was 9-2 during the regular season and then came up with a stirring 28-10 victory over Texas in the Sugar Bowl. The 1996 team went 10-1 during the regular season and lost to powerful Nebraska, 41-21, in the Orange Bowl after giving the Cornhuskers a fierce battle for three quarters.

The Hokies fell to 7-5 in 1997 and were beaten badly by North Carolina in the Gator Bowl, 42-3. But they came right back with a 9-3 mark in 1998 that included an impressive 38-7 victory over Alabama in the inaugural Music City Bowl in Nashville, Tenn.

The two winningest seasons in school history followed in 1999 and 2000 with the Hokies posting back-to-back 11-1 records. Tech registered its first-ever 11-0 regular-season record in '99 before losing its national championship battle with FSU."

So you see this isn't some program that just showed up this year, there is a history of winning and if you look at the Orange above you see why tu fans hate VT, LOL.
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I'm not basing anything about this year on history (except that USC should be #1 until they get unseated)

And yeah, I know VTech isn't a flash in the pan team... they have been good for awhile and have had years where they are legit contenders

I have just personally never felt like they have been truely tested this year and thier one test they completely failed. I don't care if you were to play USC... if you rack up an absimal 53ish yards in the first half you don't deserve to even be on that field.

I think the VTech/Miami game was a combination of Miami is that good and VTech might just be a bit worse than people thought.

I would have them in the 9-12 range after that choke fest last Sat. night. based on the fact that they played a horrible 4 quarters of football and I think there are other one loss teams and Ohio State (2 loss team) that could easily sit ahead of them.

And so you know I'm not just a VTech hater... if the game had been closer... like say 21-14 or something I would have VTech alot higher... perhaps even the highest one loss team behind Miami... but they played horrible for 60 minutes and IMO that exposed a good bit of VTech to the point where I personally feel that a good number of teams could walk in Blacksburg and beat them.
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Nice DeLorean, Pro Trash. Can you stay on topic?

How does the last 12 years prove VT is not overrated THIS year?

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I'm not basing anything about this year on history (except that USC should be #1 until they get unseated)

And yeah, I know VTech isn't a flash in the pan team... they have been good for awhile and have had years where they are legit contenders

I have just personally never felt like they have been truely tested this year and thier one test they completely failed. I don't care if you were to play USC... if you rack up an absimal 53ish yards in the first half you don't deserve to even be on that field.

I think the VTech/Miami game was a combination of Miami is that good and VTech might just be a bit worse than people thought.

I would have them in the 9-12 range after that choke fest last Sat. night. based on the fact that they played a horrible 4 quarters of football and I think there are other one loss teams and Ohio State (2 loss team) that could easily sit ahead of them.

And so you know I'm not just a VTech hater... if the game had been closer... like say 21-14 or something I would have VTech alot higher... perhaps even the highest one loss team behind Miami... but they played horrible for 60 minutes and IMO that exposed a good bit of VTech to the point where I personally feel that a good number of teams could walk in Blacksburg and beat them.
Well we'll have to disagree because after that game I don't think tu or USC would have come away from that one with a win. Miami played one of the best games I have seen in a while, if they didn't have the early season loss I'd say they may very well be number 2 at this point in the season. Vick didn't fail he got out played.
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Eh, do we need to post his stats again?
He choked, plain and simple.

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Well we'll have to disagree because after that game I don't think tu or USC would have come away from that one with a win. Miami played one of the best games I have seen in a while, if they didn't have the early season loss I'd say they may very well be number 2 at this point in the season. Vick didn't fail he got out played.

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Nice DeLorean, Pro Trash. Can you stay on topic?

How does the last 12 years prove VT is not overrated THIS year?
Forget it, he's rolling.

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Well we'll have to disagree because after that game I don't think tu or USC would have come away from that one with a win. Miami played one of the best games I have seen in a while, if they didn't have the early season loss I'd say they may very well be number 2 at this point in the season. Vick didn't fail he got out played.
Do you think UT or USC would have gained more than 53 total offensive yards in the first half??

Do you think Matt Lienart would have gone 8 of 22 for 90 yards with one pass accounting for 23 yards of that total??

Would Reggie Bush or VY have been held to a team combined 77 yards on 34 attempts.

That may have been the type of game that no team walks away from with a W, but UT or USC would have easily made it a better game. VTech just choked it up and made a really good defense look like an alltime great defense...

My previous post points out that if the game had been closer I think VTech would still have alot of my respect... but they got beat out of the gate and never made a solid transition throughout the game to change thier game play. Therefor I stick to my opinion that there are a good 8-10 teams out there that can give them a run any given day home or away...

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Vick didn't fail he got out played.
Ummm, if you look at his #'s against Miami in that game he definately gets an 'F' from me as well as anyone else in the sporting world that isn't drinking the "Special Kool-Aid."
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Vick didn't fail, the football was bad.

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Vick didn't fail he got out played.
did you watch the same game we all did? 3 vick turnovers huh how is that out played?
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Vick didn't fail, the football was bad.
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Actually it was 6 turnovers by Vick.

Vick didn't fail, the lighting was bad.

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Actually it was 6 turnovers by Vick.

Vick didn't fail, the lighting was bad.
Sounds like:

The aggies didn't lose, they just ran out of time...

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No, the aggies only lost to Texas Tech by 4 points.

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VA Tech is always way overated. ESPN always hypes them up more than what they really are. And towards the end of the season they always fold. Beamer nor VA Tech can win the big one.
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VA Tech is always way overated. ESPN always hypes them up more than what they really are. And towards the end of the season they always fold. Beamer nor VA Tech can win the big one.
Yeah well I haven't seen tu in a National Title game in the last oh 10 years. I think you are still pissed about losing that Bowl game to Va Tech back in the mid 90's, LOL. Let it go man let it go,
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