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Yup...RM>VY

RM had 92 yards and two INTs before the final drive.
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youd still be hanging from his nuts if he played for tu.
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youd still be hanging from his nuts if he played for tu.
Somehow I doubt that.

Plus, VY wouldn't be stupid enough to go to A&M and be on a losing team.
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Somehow I doubt that.

Plus, VY wouldn't be stupid enough to go to A&M and be on a losing team.
this has been polled if Rm and VY switched hookem would be all about RM!!
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youd still be hanging from his nuts if he played for tu.
Why would I care about Tulsa's QB?

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this has been polled if Rm and VY switched hookem would be all about RM!!
RM is the shiznit!

How bout putting two gift sets of Crown on this year's game, being that he is a Heisman calibre QB and all?

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RM is the shiznit!

How bout putting two gift sets of Crown on this year's game, being that he is a Heisman calibre QB and all?
how about two on whether or not you guys winn the Championship??
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Why would I bet something with that many intangibles, this far in advance? Plus, what do the Ags have to do with this?


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how about two on whether or not you guys winn the Championship??

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RM had 92 yards and two INTs before the final drive.
Frantastic!
HAHA heres some comparison..your boy is SOOO much better!! Good thing RM had such a bad game against BU.


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Why would I bet something with that many intangibles, this far in advance?
and yet you want me to???
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and yet you want me to???
No, I just want to double up on a bet we already talked about.
You're not trying to back out, are ya?

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No, I just want to double up on a bet we already talked about.
You're not trying to back out, are ya?
no our original bet is still good.
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Do we REALLY need to compare schedules? *cough* D-2 team scare *cough*

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no our original bet is still good.
The remaining glass sits in my office bar....was one of the first things moved over...

The other one had an accident with a 5 yr old.

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Do we REALLY need to compare schedules? *cough* D-2 team scare *cough*
*cough* excuses*cough*
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The remaining glass sits in my office bar....was one of the first things moved over...

The other one had an accident with a 5 yr old.
are you having to get 5 yr olds drunk to be your friend?? LOL J/K
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are you having to get 5 yr olds drunk to be your friend?? LOL J/K


No, my daugter made chocolate milk in the "pretty glass."

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*cough* excuses*cough*
Excuses? For VY being better than the senior at Ags?

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No, my daugter made chocolate milk in the "pretty glass."
Well I am still a faithfull fan and will wait for the outcome!!!
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Excuses? For VY being better than the senior at Ags?
You must be having trouble reading those stats!!!
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IMO, he didn't ask the same of you... he asked you to bet on two teams playing each other and picking the winner. You're asking him to bet on the fact that UT wins out the rest of their season (which they should), and the fact the voters keep UT in second place,... and then last but not least that IF they even get to the big game, they win it. That's a huge difference in scenarios. Like a lot of people have been skeptical of, voters and columnists/commentators are talking about VT being so close to UT and could possibly overtake UT even while UT retains a perfect season. I don't know if that will happen, but in the sports world, anything is possible... so your bet is a lot easier one to decide if you want to take or not.
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IMO, he didn't ask the same of you... he asked you to bet on two teams playing each other and picking the winner. You're asking him to bet on the fact that UT wins out the rest of their season (which they should), and the fact the voters keep UT in second place,... and then last but not least that IF they even get to the big game, they win it. That's a huge difference in scenarios. Like a lot of people have been skeptical of, voters and columnists/commentators are talking about VT being so close to UT and could possibly overtake UT even while UT retains a perfect season. I don't know if that will happen, but in the sports world, anything is possible... so your bet is a lot easier one to decide if you want to take or not.
im asking him to bet on his confidence in tu.
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You must be having trouble reading those stats!!!
Stat 1:
Losses: VY, 0 RM, 1

From there, I see VY complete 15% more often than RM, and has a higher rating.

Even though RM has played SMU, Baylor, and a D-2 school.........

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im asking him to bet on his confidence in tu.
I bet to advance myself, not on my feelings.
Texas over Ags is a safe bet.....Texas winning out, including the conf champ and MNC games, is far from a safe bet. Far too many intangibles.

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Losses: VY, 0 RM, 1

From there, I see VY complete 15% more often than RM, and has a higher rating.

Even though RM has played SMU, Baylor, and a D-2 school.........
I see he has more INT, less yds per carry, and less yards per comp, and your reading that rating wrong the larger the # the worse the player.

N/M were both wrong, thats not an overall rating.
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im asking him to bet on his confidence in tu.
I see...confidence has nothing to do with other mens' votes for your team though. IF you merely meant to bet on them beating USC (IF they face them), I'd be up for that bet if he doesn't want it. It doesn't even have to be a sig bet or anything... just a friendly bragging rights bet.
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uh, I was pretty sure higher the QB rating the better they were??? besides, Texas has had a harder schedule than A&M and despite what you say, it does make a difference

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I see...confidence has nothing to do with other mens' votes for your team though. IF you merely meant to bet on them beating USC (IF they face them), I'd be up for that bet if he doesn't want it. It doesn't even have to be a sig bet or anything... just a friendly bragging rights bet.
OK, IF they face USC for NC, Im picking USC to win.
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uh, I was pretty sure higher the QB rating the better they were??? besides, Texas has had a harder schedule than A&M and despite what you say, it does make a difference
Recheck post, the rating is just passing not overall.
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uh, I was pretty sure higher the QB rating the better they were??? besides, Texas has had a harder schedule than A&M and despite what you say, it does make a difference
BTW I didnt say it didnt make a diff, but if hes SO MUCH greater than RM, which the stats prove hes not, then it wouldnt matter after all arent they #2????
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OK, IF they face USC for NC, Im picking USC to win.
The same USC that struggled to beat Arizona St.

The reason RM's #'s are so high is because he has nobody to spread the ball to.

Not only does VY have Jamaal Charles to hand it off to, but Melton as well. Then you have to toss the ball to Sweed, Thomas, etc.

Again, A&M fans need to come to their senses and realize that A&M sucks again this year. It doesn't matter how good of #'s RM has because he lost to Baylor last year and almost got beaten by them again this year and also a D-2 school.

It took you guys OT in your own barn to beat Baylor by 3 points.
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The same USC that struggled to beat Arizona St.

The reason RM's #'s are so high is because he has nobody to spread the ball to.

Not only does VY have Jamaal Charles to hand it off to, but Melton as well. Then you have to toss the ball to Sweed, Thomas, etc.

Again, A&M fans need to come to their senses and realize that A&M sucks again this year. It doesn't matter how good of #'s RM has because he lost to Baylor last year and almost got beaten by them again this year and also a D-2 school.

It took you guys OT in your own barn to beat Baylor by 3 points.
HAHA you are smoking crack the scheldules arent that diff, clemson is a good team, OSU a good team, Rice and SMU are about the same, and Tx St and Lous Laf the same, I hardly call tu's scheldule that much more difficult. I think you are all going to find out Baylor is a much better team than you think and certainly not much if any better than Missouri.
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HAHA you are smoking crack the scheldules arent that diff, clemson is a good team, OSU a good team, Rice and SMU are about the same, and Tx St and Lous Laf the same, I hardly call tu's scheldule that much more difficult. I think you are all going to find out Baylor is a much better team than you think and certainly not much if any better than Missouri.
So Clemson is on the same level as Ohio St and ULL is on the same level as a D1-aa team? LMAO!

Just quit now.

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So Clemson is on the same level as Ohio St and ULL is on the same level as a D1-aa team? LMAO!

Just quit now.
ull and tx st yes. Clemson is a good team to deny that just shows you for what you are, another tu fan that cant just be honest. are you and hookem brothers??
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ull and tx st yes. Clemson is a good team to deny that just shows you for what you are, another tu fan that cant just be honest. are you and hookem brothers??
clemson has lost their last 3 games to miami, boston college, and wake forest, they are not a very good team.

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clemson has lost their last 3 games to miami, boston college, and wake forest, they are not a very good team.
all against good teams and 2 of those games went to OT. your point was???
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OSU 10, 3-1 Clemson 39, 2-3
Rice 97, SMU 130
Texas St is a D-2 school....'nuff said.

OSU is also #6 in the Coaches Poll, 8th in the Harris, and 8th in the AP.
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HAHA you are smoking crack the scheldules arent that diff, clemson is a good team, OSU a good team, Rice and SMU are about the same, and Tx St and Lous Laf the same, I hardly call tu's scheldule that much more difficult. I think you are all going to find out Baylor is a much better team than you think and certainly not much if any better than Missouri.

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OSU 10, 3-1 Clemson 39, 2-3
Rice 97, SMU 130
Texas St is a D-2 school....'nuff said.

OSU is also #6 in the Coaches Poll, 8th in the Harris, and 8th in the AP.
Clemson is UR.
once again you cant take your blinders off to see the point. I dont know why I even try.

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once again you cant take your blinders off to see the point. I dont know why I even try.
You said Clemson = OSU.
Clemson is unranked, and OSU is a Top 10 team.

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You said Clemson = OSU.
Clemson is unranked, and OSU is a Top 10 team.
NOPE never said that heres my quote:

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clemson is a good team, OSU a good team, Rice and SMU are about the same, and Tx St and Lous Laf the same, I hardly call tu's scheldule that much more difficult. I think you are all going to find out Baylor is a much better team than you think and certainly not much if any better than Missouri.
Thats my point, you cant even admit the slightest thing. You try and dismiss RM's stats by saying they had played no good teams, and thats simply not the truth, and in looking at the teams both tu and A&M have played its clear that VY's play has not been that much better than RM's especially considering tu is the #2 ranked team, supposedly giving VY the advantage of better offensive line and better defense. So whatever you need to tell yourself.

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Maybe Texas State and Baylor aren't that good....maybe Ags is teh suck?
Texas has CLEARLY played a FAR rougher schedule. AT THIS POINT, I'll be surprised if Texas doesn't hang a 1/2 hundred on Ags, while winning by 30+


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Thats my point, you cant even admit the slightest thing. You try and dismiss RM's stats by saying they had played no good teams, and thats simply not the truth, and in looking at the teams both tu and A&M have played its clear that VY's play has not been that much better than RM's especially considering tu is the #2 ranked team, supposedly giving VY the advantage of better offensive line and better defense. So whatever you need to tell yourself.

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I think you are all going to find out Baylor is a much better team than you think and certainly not much if any better than Missouri.
Can't say I agree on that. However, you're correct that VY does have an easier time to be a good qb because of his outstanding supporting cast. It's just common sense. If your linebackers are sitting there keying in on the backfield and instead of saying "i've got qb, you've got the back," they're both keying on the qb... you have problems. Not to mention O-line protection, reciever corps, etc.. Honestly though, after the summer that just passed and the improvements made, I'd have to say that if VY played for A&M, or RM at UT, he'd still edge out RM as the better overall qb.

Having said that, VY is probably still a prick (was when I was around the team last year). He talks so arrogantly and even talks in 3rd person sometimes. He even had the audacity a couple weeks back to make comments about how he now trusts his defense, etc. I would hope so after they saved your ass from choking against Ohio State.
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Maybe Texas State and Baylor aren't that good....maybe Ags is teh suck?
Texas has CLEARLY played a FAR rougher schedule. AT THIS POINT, I'll be surprised if Texas doesn't hang a 1/2 hundred on Ags, while winning by 30+

now I know the depths of your dishonesty. Its too bad.

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HAHA heres some comparison..your boy is SOOO much better!! Good thing RM had such a bad game against BU.


Could you be any more retarded???

Vince has a TEAM he can give the ball to.

McNeal has... well... McNeal period.

Stats are nothing in the comparison between these two QB's and if you actually watched both teams play all of thier games you would know that plain and simple.

I'm not a VY fanboy here by any stretch... but here are what the stats don't tell you.

VY played 2 quarters (plus a starting 3rd quarter series) against both Rice and LA Laff. Both of which were designed exclusively for Texas to establish a ground game other than VY. Jamal Charles seems to have stepped up nicely as appossed to anyone at A&M.

You want to know why VY hasn't got as many pass yards?? Cause he didn't have to (kinda what happens when you are up by 14+ at half time in 3/4 games). You want to know wny VY hasn't got as many rushing yards?? Cause he doesn't need to (also what kinda happens after you are up 14+ points at halftime in 3/4 games). Why does all of this matter?? Cause by the end of the season McNeal will have been run ragged by A&M's lack of other options and VY will be fresh from his ability to not have to be the single key to his offense.

Quit spewing bs numbers that show that A&M can only muster a few close games against bottom barrel D-1 schools and close games between D-2 schools... while UT is clicking right along having allready played a team ranked (and still ranked) in the top ten and a quality program like Mizzou (ya know... kinda like the anti-A&M's thorn in it's ass with Baylor)
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HAHA heres some comparison..your boy is SOOO much better!! Good thing RM had such a bad game against BU.

Thank goodness for playing a bunch of minutes against SMU and Tx State.
666 of his total yards and 7/8 of his passing TDs were against these two spares.

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HAHA you are smoking crack the scheldules arent that diff, clemson is a good team, OSU a good team, Rice and SMU are about the same, and Tx St and Lous Laf the same, I hardly call tu's scheldule that much more difficult. I think you are all going to find out Baylor is a much better team than you think and certainly not much if any better than Missouri.
If Rice and SMU are the same
AND ULaLa and Tx St are the same
AND Baylor and Missouri are the same
who is the better team between Ohio State and Clemson?

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If Rice and SMU are the same
AND ULaLa and Tx St are the same
AND Baylor and Missouri are the same
who is the better team between Ohio State and Clemson?
Ohio state is clearly better than Clemson, but you as well arent seeing the point, let me try again, Im NOT saying A&M's was tougher, Im saying that hookems total dismissal of the stats due to who played who is wrong. Clemson isnt OSu but they arent chumps either, and both tu and A&M played atleast 1 chump game, if not 2.
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and both tu and A&M played atleast 1 chump game, if not 2.
Which games would you consider "chump games" for UT and m&a?

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Which games would you consider "chump games" for UT and m&a?
LA Laf and Tx St were chump games, no doubt, rice and SMU might be considered that, I dont think that but I can see where some others might.
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Ohio state is clearly better than Clemson, but you as well arent seeing the point, let me try again, Im NOT saying A&M's was tougher, Im saying that hookems total dismissal of the stats due to who played who is wrong. Clemson isnt OSu but they arent chumps either, and both tu and A&M played atleast 1 chump game, if not 2.
They could have both played the same exact teams for gods sake.

Simple point is VY hasn't had to be on the field as much and McNeal, and when he is he has alot more ways to get down the field... how hard is that to understand.
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