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Lane splitting...

Rocks. I haven't dealt with bumper to bumper traffic yet, but I've gotten to the front of every stoplight thus far, and it sure is nice. Maybe some day they'll make the law change stick there in Texas.

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Excuse my ignorance but what's lane splitting?
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Splitting lane. I tak the should or use the opposite traffic lane
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Excuse my ignorance but what's lane splitting?
Riding slowly in between cars/lanes when traffic is stopped or moving less then 5mph. Basically going in between cars instead of staying in stop n go traffic.

I've done it a few times, but I was hyper aware when doing so. Only way it will become legal is if people do it and others get used to it. I don't want it to be legal overnight and then get run into a wall because the other driver was ignorant of the law and tried to play Citizen Enforcer.

I doubt it will though because we don't have near the traffic problems that CA and other more urban locations do that had to enact it for congestion reasons.
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I doubt it will though because we don't have near the traffic problems that CA and other more urban locations do that had to enact it for congestion reasons.
You obviously don't get to venture near 820/Holiday Lane or anywhere on 121 in the mid cities.

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No it's not. They had proposed revising the laws to allow for it a a few years ago, but the bill was never passed.

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He's talking about SB506 which although it passed in the Texas Senate in March 2009 it has not gone to the House and not gone to the Govenor to be signed into law.


A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT
relating to the operation and movement of motorcycles during
periods of traffic congestion.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 545.060, Transportation Code, is amended
by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (e) to read as
follows:
(a) An operator on a roadway divided into two or more
clearly marked lanes for traffic:
(1) shall drive as nearly as practical entirely within
a single lane, except as provided by Subsection (e); and
(2) may not move from the lane unless that movement can
be made safely.
(e) The operator of a motorcycle may operate the motorcycle
for a safe distance between lanes of traffic moving in the same
direction during periods of traffic congestion if:
(1) notwithstanding Section 661.003(c), the operator
and any passenger wear protective headgear that meets the safety
standards adopted by the department; and
(2) the operator operates the motorcycle:
(A) at a speed not more than five miles per hour
greater than the speed of the other traffic;
(B) in traffic that is moving at a speed of 20
miles per hour or less; and
(C) in a location other than a school crossing
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He's talking about SB506 which although it passed in the Texas Senate in March 2009 it has not gone to the House and not gone to the Govenor to be signed into law.


A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT
relating to the operation and movement of motorcycles during
periods of traffic congestion.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 545.060, Transportation Code, is amended
by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (e) to read as
follows:
(a) An operator on a roadway divided into two or more
clearly marked lanes for traffic:
(1) shall drive as nearly as practical entirely within
a single lane, except as provided by Subsection (e); and
(2) may not move from the lane unless that movement can
be made safely.
(e) The operator of a motorcycle may operate the motorcycle
for a safe distance between lanes of traffic moving in the same
direction during periods of traffic congestion if:
(1) notwithstanding Section 661.003(c), the operator
and any passenger wear protective headgear that meets the safety
standards adopted by the department; and
(2) the operator operates the motorcycle:
(A) at a speed not more than one hundred miles per hour
greater than the speed of the other traffic;
(B) in traffic that is moving at a speed of 70
miles per hour or less
; and
(C) in a location other than a school crossing
zone or a location where the posted speed limit is 20 miles per hour
or less.

This is how many sportbike riders will interpret it.
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This is how many sportbike riders will interpret it.
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Always afraid to do it as i don't want some tard trying to stop me and hit me. Although I do see some bikes doing it sometimes on the shoulder. Maybe i'm too afraid to get caught and have to run from the police!

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Always afraid to do it as i don't want some tard trying to stop me and hit me. Although I do see some bikes doing it sometimes on the shoulder. Maybe i'm too afraid to get caught and have to run from the police!
Back when I thought that it had been signed into law, I was slowly cruising up to the light just north of Grapevine Mills mall on 121 (before the new highway was finished), and I had a guy in a pickup swing his door open at me. That was the dumbest thing a person could do, it would have fucke up his door and my plastics, and then he would have a 200lb+ dude in a helmet wearing a riding jacket and gloves with carbon fiber in the knuckles coming after him. Jealousy is a bitch.

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I know a lawyer that says there is no statute permitting it, but that it's not technically illegal. He said you'll almost always get ticketed for it, but that it's easily dismissed so long as it was stop and go traffic and you weren't going "warp" speed.

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Back when I thought that it had been signed into law, I was slowly cruising up to the light just north of Grapevine Mills mall on 121 (before the new highway was finished), and I had a guy in a pickup swing his door open at me. That was the dumbest thing a person could do, it would have fucke up his door and my plastics, and then he would have a 200lb+ dude in a helmet wearing a riding jacket and gloves with carbon fiber in the knuckles coming after him. Jealousy is a bitch.
I'm always surprised at how pissed some people get about something that doesn't affect them at all. If you're hauling ass you're endangering others to a degree and your tires are possibly picking up debris to spray onto cars, but if you're moving a bit quicker than traffic their is no harm.

Most of the types of guys that ride sportbikes are also the guys that are thrill seekers, that go to the gym, tend to be in the "prime" of their life physically/in terms of age, that are often a little "out there" compared to the norm. While the road rage citizen enforcer tends to be the fat slob middle aged type. Generally that guy isn't going to do well against someone in better shape and armor LOL.

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I know a lawyer that says there is no statute permitting it, but that it's not technically illegal. He said you'll almost always get ticketed for it, but that it's easily dismissed so long as it was stop and go traffic and you weren't going "warp" speed.


Violation Code 71 - Failure to maintain single lane
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So if you saw someone doing it would you stop them? I asked my gf who is a DPD officer and also rides. She said no! I'm not gonna waste my time for them to run or hurt themselves. And i don't ask that in a smart ass way at all lol. Just asking to see your personal opinion?

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Back when I thought that it had been signed into law, I was slowly cruising up to the light just north of Grapevine Mills mall on 121 (before the new highway was finished), and I had a guy in a pickup swing his door open at me. That was the dumbest thing a person could do, it would have fucke up his door and my plastics, and then he would have a 200lb+ dude in a helmet wearing a riding jacket and gloves with carbon fiber in the knuckles coming after him. Jealousy is a bitch.
I wonder who's fault it would have been if you had hit his door? Would it be yours for not driving in the lane? Or his for intentionally trying to hurt you?

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I wonder who's fault it would have been if you had hit his door? Would it be yours for not driving in the lane? Or his for intentionally trying to hurt you?
Gonna be a lot harder to prove intent than to prove that the rider was breaking a traffic law.

Basically, rider at fault for being in between the lanes and for failure to control speed. "There won't have been an accident if you didn't hit anything"
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I wonder who's fault it would have been if you had hit his door? Would it be yours for not driving in the lane? Or his for intentionally trying to hurt you?
On a sportbike it's always your fault no matter what.

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Violation Code 71 - Failure to maintain single lane
Failing to maintain a "single" lane doesn't necessarily sound like line splitting to me. If you share a lane with other traffic and never cross the divider between lanes you ARE maintaining a single lane

I don't know what they are, but there are "conflicting statutes" and an "improperly worded statute" that he uses to get the tickets dismissed.

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I wonder who's fault it would have been if you had hit his door? Would it be yours for not driving in the lane? Or his for intentionally trying to hurt you?
I'm sure that fault would have been mine, along with the assault and battery charges after the fact. Honestly though, I wouldn't have done it if I new that it wasn't actually legal. I'm not at all making excuses, as ignorance of the law is no defense. If it were legal though, he'd definitely be hte one at fault.

There are people out here that give lane splitters the evil eye as well, but I thingk that the legality is more common knowledge, so the law over rides their sense of jealousy.

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So if you saw someone doing it would you stop them? I asked my gf who is a DPD officer and also rides. She said no! I'm not gonna waste my time for them to run or hurt themselves. And i don't ask that in a smart ass way at all lol. Just asking to see your personal opinion?


Depends on the totality of the circumstances. Was that the only violation, or was he breaking every statute in the book?
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The lane spltting doesn't bother me a bit, it's the jackass that is weaving through moderate to heavy traffic at 90+ that doesn't give two shits about their own welfare let alone that of all the other motorists out on the road.
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The lane spltting doesn't bother me a bit, it's the jackass that is weaving through moderate to heavy traffic at 90+ that doesn't give two shits about their own welfare let alone that of all the other motorists out on the road.
We care about our welfare, which is why we don't stay next to people to busy with their morning coffee or taliking on the cell phone to not see us. I've almost been hit countless times when riding next to someone in traffic even with the drivers front fender(out of the blind spot) from them being distracted or just not paying attention. So after a few to many close calls I decided to reduce the amount of time I was next to a car.

Yes my avg speed when riding in rush hour is about 85, second I get away from dumb fucks I slow right back down. You have to watch your own ass out there and act like everyone else on the road is trying to kill you.

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I wonder who's fault it would have been if you had hit his door? Would it be yours for not driving in the lane? Or his for intentionally trying to hurt you?
I'd hope the driver would be charged with attempted manslaughter, assuming they survived the spiritual ass whipping they should get soon afterwards.

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We care about our welfare, which is why we don't stay next to people to busy with their morning coffee or taliking on the cell phone to not see us. I've almost been hit countless times when riding next to someone in traffic even with the drivers front fender(out of the blind spot) from them being distracted or just not paying attention. So after a few to many close calls I decided to reduce the amount of time I was next to a car.

Yes my avg speed when riding in rush hour is about 85, second I get away from dumb fucks I slow right back down. You have to watch your own ass out there and act like everyone else on the road is trying to kill you.

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It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that someone weaving through moderate to heavy traffic at 90mph is doing so to keep themselves safe.. I can certainly understand speeding up (or slowing down, you know those things have brakes) to avoid sitting next to a car; but to suggest that a reasonable solution is to run 20mph faster than everyone else to get to a safe zone in a hurry is just silly.

That reminds me of a question on the CA driving test.. It is something like: "If you are driving and are very tired what should you do?

A. Roll the windows down and turn up the radio to keep yourself alert.
B. Find a safe place to stop and rest.
C. Speed up so that you can get home sooner and spend less time on the road.

Let me guess, you would pick C.

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It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that someone weaving through moderate to heavy traffic at 90mph is doing so to keep themselves safe.. I can certainly understand speeding up (or slowing down, you know those things have brakes) to avoid sitting next to a car; but to suggest that a reasonable solution is to run 20mph faster than everyone else to get to a safe zone in a hurry is just silly.

That reminds me of a question on the CA driving test.. It is something like: "If you are driving and are very tired what should you do?

A. Roll the windows down and turn up the radio to keep yourself alert.
B. Find a safe place to stop and rest.
C. Speed up so that you can get home sooner and spend less time on the road.

Let me guess, you would pick C.

(believe or not, my ex chose C)
As crazy as it sounds, I sort of agree with him.

In 2004 I decided to slow it down a lot and in 2005 I really decided to slow it down. By late 05 when I was commuting I wasn't speeding at all. You would find me at 65 in the right lane.

I couldn't tell you how many close calls I had. Blending in = disappearing to most motorist = DEATH

Generally it was someone on a cell phone changing lanes into the space I was currently occupying, someone trying to enter/exit the highway quickly without realizing I was in their "opening", or some jack ass darting in and out of traffic that also didn't realize someone was already in the spot they were trying for. There were a couple times where that last scenario came real close to being a multi-car pile up.

I'm not saying you should be flying through traffic, splitting lanes, and weaving like it's a slalom course, but going 10-15mph or so faster than the flow of traffic sure feels a hell of a lot safer.

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As crazy as it sounds, I sort of agree with him.

In 2004 I decided to slow it down a lot and in 2005 I really decided to slow it down. By late 05 when I was commuting I wasn't speeding at all. You would find me at 65 in the right lane.

I couldn't tell you how many close calls I had. Blending in = disappearing to most motorist = DEATH

Generally it was someone on a cell phone changing lanes into the space I was currently occupying, someone trying to enter/exit the highway quickly without realizing I was in their "opening", or some jack ass darting in and out of traffic that also didn't realize someone was already in the spot they were trying for. There were a couple times where that last scenario came real close to being a multi-car pile up.

I'm not saying you should be flying through traffic, splitting lanes, and weaving like it's a slalom course, but going 10-15mph or so faster than the flow of traffic sure feels a hell of a lot safer.
I'll give you 5 to 10, maybe even 15 but the post he was replying to was 90+, and he said averaging 85 (meaning higher at times). In my rush hour traffic we are usually cruising at 60 or so at best, so that is a huge disparity in speed. I couldn't care less if a bike cruises by me 10-15 mph faster but I can't count how many times I look in my rear view once and see nothing, look a few seconds later just in time to see a bike nearly passing me. Completely out of nowhere. Just had a guy to that a week ago or so. I saw him coming, fortunately, because he would not have been able to avoid hitting me had I started a lane change. Leah will comfirm, not only did he fly by, but he did so all of 4 feet from her window. She about shit her pants..

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I'm not saying you should be flying through traffic, splitting lanes, and weaving like it's a slalom course...
That is the kind of thing I think Lone Sailor was referring to. It's very likely that Samuel and you don't do it to that extreme but when he jumps in to defend it by saying it's safer it's a little silly. He automatically says "we", lumping himself in with the stupid riders out there. That's all I am saying.

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I'm not saying you should be flying through traffic, splitting lanes, and weaving like it's a slalom course, but going 10-15mph or so faster than the flow of traffic sure feels a hell of a lot safer.
I generally go 80+ down hills with good visibility and will slow up hills to normal traffic speeds. It keeps me passing traffic and out of blind spots most of the time and it also keeps the officer hiding on the other side of the hill from getting me on laser.

That and I'll never ride next to someone on their cell phone or someone that just looks like they are stupid. You really need a sixth sense that detects the jackass gene to stay alive on the roads.

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Fact is you bike readers need to be aware. Even if it is my fault, when my Titan hits you you're dead and I'm not.

I have no problems with lane splittle at slow to stopped speeds.

I do have a problem with riders who feel the need to do 20+. On numerous occassions I do my checks, and check once more to find a rider whizzing by. I know that is the coolest thing in a world to a rider, but if I were just a little distracted or in a hurry one of those riders would be treaded by my tires.

Even with my diligence and luck for not rolling over a rider, CARS have limitied visibility compared to riders.

Now throw on top of that people who are poor drivers to begin with and are on the cell phone, the riders are the ones that need to be the most alert. First you're already taking a risk riding those little things around DFW on the best of days. Second, most of the drivers out there are not great. Third, shit happens even for those of us who really do try.

Also, don't ride in my blind spot for miles on end.

If you lane split in 30+ mph traffic, it's on you IMO. I check my mirrors and if I see ya back there I'm assuming you'll go to another lane or stay there. Not ride down between lanes.

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I generally ride about 10-15 miles faster than everyone else. Which doesn't feel much faster in a bike but sure in a car it looks way faster. But I always just try to stay away from congestion and normally slow down to about 65-70.

Just the other morning i was on 360 and a guy in an Expedition almost hit me to the point that i was on the shoulder and when he saw me he swerved back into the lane he was in. Rolled down his window and was flipping me off cursing. He was also pointing to me that i needed to be right next to him so he could see me. I was like yea if i was next do you right now i'd be dead.

I more than likely won't lane split unless it becomes legal and set at a certain speed. Or unless i just feel like being a little risky for my means one day.

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BTW, for the record as it pertains to the OP, I am perfectly okay with lane splitting at slow to stopped speeds. Then again, I grew up in CA where people do it regularly.

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i have rode the shoulder a couple of times cause the traffic was at a crawl. but i was only going about 10-15 mph
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I'll give you 5 to 10, maybe even 15 but the post he was replying to was 90+, and he said averaging 85 (meaning higher at times).and lower at times also In my rush hour traffic we are usually cruising at 60 or so at best, so that is a huge disparity in speed. I couldn't care less if a bike cruises by me 10-15 mph faster but I can't count how many times I look in my rear view once and see nothing, look a few seconds later just in time to see a bike nearly passing me. Completely out of nowhere. Just had a guy to that a week ago or so. I saw him coming, fortunately, because he would not have been able to avoid hitting me had I started a lane change. Leah will comfirm, not only did he fly by, but he did so all of 4 feet from her window. She about shit her pants..



That is the kind of thing I think Lone Sailor was referring to. It's very likely that Samuel and you don't do it to that extreme but when he jumps in to defend it by saying it's safer it's a little silly. He automatically says "we", lumping himself in with the stupid riders out there. That's all I am saying.
Yeah I understand I might have worded it wrong, I just meant riders as a whole care about their safety. I had one woman almost hit me 3 or 4 times in less than 2 miles. I never left my lane she just couldn't drive and wasn't paying attention. Even after she got close enough to me for me to hit her window to get her attention. Yes I speed and weave through traffic when I feel I have plenty of room to do so. However like I said earlier, I also slow right back down when I am away from the congestion. I never said it was safer to do this, just feels more safe to me. I don't like being around distracted people while riding.
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i have rode the shoulder a couple of times cause the traffic was at a crawl. but i was only going about 10-15 mph
This makes me wonder.

Why are people on bikes any better than people in cars? I routinely see bikes splitting lanes or riding on the shoulder when the rest of us are waiting our turn.

As far as I see it, we're all in the same shitty traffic. Deal with it.
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As far as I see it, we're all in the same shitty traffic. Deal with it.
No, you are. The bike rider is already homeI won't ride the shoulder because tires cost too much and there is crap all over them but if it's 100 degrees outsite and traffic isn't moving I might change my mind.

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This makes me wonder.

Why are people on bikes any better than people in cars? I routinely see bikes splitting lanes or riding on the shoulder when the rest of us are waiting our turn.

As far as I see it, we're all in the same shitty traffic. Deal with it.
I thought the same and am not a rider...

However, in states where it is legal I just considered it a benefit to riding. Sort of like the HOV lane to a car with more than 1 person in it.

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I thought the same and am not a rider...

However, in states where it is legal I just considered it a benefit to riding. Sort of like the HOV lane to a car with more than 1 person in it.
Motorcycles get that benefit as well.

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This makes me wonder.

Why are people on bikes any better than people in cars? I routinely see bikes splitting lanes or riding on the shoulder when the rest of us are waiting our turn.

As far as I see it, we're all in the same shitty traffic. Deal with it.
The general reason for allowing the motorcycles to split lanes/ride the shoulder is because nearly all motorcycles used to be passively air-cooled, meaning they couldn't stand still with the motor running in a traffic jam for an extended amount of time without overheating.

Since there are few modern bikes that are passively air-cooled, there is no reason for the law anymore, let them wait in the lane like everyone else.

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This makes me wonder.

Why are people on bikes any better than people in cars? I routinely see bikes splitting lanes or riding on the shoulder when the rest of us are waiting our turn.

As far as I see it, we're all in the same shitty traffic. Deal with it.
From what I understand it goes back to people not paying attention. Would you want to be the guy on a bike sitting behind a car when someone, coming from behind, doesn't see traffic is stopped and kills you between the 2 cars? That's my reasoning behind it, I only look out for me while I'm riding.
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The general reason for allowing the motorcycles to split lanes/ride the shoulder is because nearly all motorcycles used to be passively air-cooled, meaning they couldn't stand still with the motor running in a traffic jam for an extended amount of time without overheating.

Since there are few modern bikes that are passively air-cooled, there is no reason for the law anymore, let them wait in the lane like everyone else.

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In California they allow it mainly because they've found it reduces traffic congestion. People have tried to make it illegal there due to "safety" issues, but shockingly the results of a multi-year study some how showed that lane splitting (we're talking reasonable speeds here, don't put words in my mouth jack asses) was safer for the rider.

EDIT - Also, I've owned plenty of water cooled bikes that will overheat sitting in traffic during the hottest days of summer. WTF?

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This makes me wonder.

Why are people on bikes any better than people in cars? I routinely see bikes splitting lanes or riding on the shoulder when the rest of us are waiting our turn.

As far as I see it, we're all in the same shitty traffic. Deal with it.
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This makes me wonder.

Why are people on bikes any better than people in cars? I routinely see bikes splitting lanes or riding on the shoulder when the rest of us are waiting our turn.

As far as I see it, we're all in the same shitty traffic. Deal with it.
That's a funny way to put it L O L. Sounds like "If I'm miserable EVERYONE has to miserable damnit!" If it doesn't affect you don't let it bother you.

So you're telling me if you had a open lane to use in stop and go traffic you wouldn't take it? I don't know about you, but I hate traffic and if there is an open "lane" for me I'm taking it.

Besides sitting in one spot waiting for someone to swerve into your spot (that they think is open) and smack you blows lol. Constantly slipping the clutch starts to really suck after a couple minutes too.

Shoulder = newb. LOTS of trash in the shoulder. You ride there and you WILL get flats. I also don't use the shoulder because I don't want my tires throwing up any debris on other people's cars.

I don't lane split that often, but when it's over 100 outside, MUCH hotter on the pavement, I'm wearing leathers, and sweating buckets I'll definitely be splitting lanes. I also don't commute on a bike anymore. When I did I split lanes on freeways regularly. I didn't really do it at stop lights because it didn't really seem necessary or as if it made up that much time.

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Since there are few modern bikes that are passively air-cooled, there is no reason for the law anymore, let them wait in the lane like everyone else.

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This is not at all suprising to hear from the guy that admittedly cruises in the fast lane, and says "fuck anybody that wants to go faster."

There is absolutely nothing dangerous about lane splitting in stopped traffic, other than the ton and a half to two ton egos and jeasousy that you come up against.

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