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The worlds fastest Indian for those who havent seen the movie.

Talk about ingenuity. The guy made his own everything for his bike. Over head valve conversion, rods, crank, twin cam conversion, etc...


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The Worlds Fastest Indian Legend

Burt Munro was born on the 25th March 1899 at Edendale, a country town 30km's north of Invercargill, New Zealand.

Burt bought the Indian motorbike new in 1920 as a standard model Indian Scout which had a side valve engine of 600cc capacity. The price was ₤120 with acetylene lighting although he could have bought an electric lighting model but it was quite a bit more expensive at the time. The engine number was 50R627.

The Indian Scout was very advanced for itís time as it had a helical gear transmission and a mechanical oil pump working on a total loss system.

The top speed was in the region of 60mph.


In the 1920's Burt started tuning the bike for speed and ultimately he had it exceeding 90mph in side valve form.
In the mid 1930s Burt made patterns for an overhead valve engine conversion but initially he was quite disappointed as it was no faster than the original side valve.

However, with Burt's determination he persisted with the tuning and in 1940 he gained the New Zealand Motorcycle speed record at a speed of 120.8mph.
At this stage Burt found the original con-rods would not stand up to the strain and he started manufacturing his own out of old Ford truck axles. Burt had very little equipment as far as machining was concerned and there was a lot of handwork associated with the manufacturing.

After overcoming the con-rod failures Burt then experienced engine big-end failure.
As the lubrication was achieved by a total loss system, which had no direct feed to the big-ends and crank pin, with the result that the rollers often came out blued and fused to the big-end cage. Eventually Burt made new fly wheels and increased the diameter of the crank pin which was bored to feed oil direct to the big-ends. He also fitted an Indian Chief oil pump and in doing so changed it to a dry sump lubrication system.

Over the years Burt gradually increased the bore and stroke which enlarged the engine to just on 1000cc capacity.



Burt cast his own pistons using a large kerosene blow lamp and casting dies he made himself.
Another modification was to the primary transmission. He made sprockets for this and fitted a triplex chain on the primary drive in place of helical gears as this was more efficient.
The clutch is basically standard with extra springs fitted to cope with the extra power the engine was developing.
In order to get closer ratios in the gear box Burt cut the layshaft and welded two pinions from an Indian Chief onto this Scout layshaft in order to get closer ratios on the three speed gear box.

Originally the Indian Scouts had only two cams and this limited the valve timing so Burt changed this to a four cam system which allowed him to alter the valve timing on both the inlet and exhaust valves.

Burt built four different streamline shells for the Indian Scout over the years.

On his first trip to Bonneville with the Indian on 20th August 1962 Burt achieved a speed of 179mph, a speed that people attending "Speed Week" found absolutely unbelievable considering the age of both the bike and the rider.

On the 26th August 1967 Burt claimed the World Record Class S-A 1000cc - with an average speed of 183.586mph (one way 190.07mph).
This record still stands to this very day.

Indian 1936 MSS 500cc Velocette

The other of Burts bikes which should have received a lot more publicity than it did was a 1936 MSS 500cc Velocette.
As you can see by the photo it was lightened and lowered in true Munro style to be under 200 pounds in weight.

Burt increased the capacity to 650cc and it was timed at 138mph which would make it one of the fastest Velocettes in the world; if not the fastest.
Had Burts health not failed when he was 75 years of age he intended taking the motor and gear box to America and fitting in to the streamlined shell and possibly it should have exceeded 160mph providing he had two good runs.

The reason he sold his two bikes was after suffering a partial stroke in 1977 he found, after getting out of hospital, he had a lack of co-ordination when trying to work on the machines. This left Burt very frustrated, so he sold us the Munro special and the Velocette as he wanted them to remain in Southland.

Burt died on 6th January 1978 - aged 78 - of natural causes.

There is no doubt at all that this was the most successful combination of man and machine during 57 years of passionate development.
To achieve 60mph to 200mph was the most remarkable achievement that motorcycling has ever seen, hence The Legend.


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The newer pics arent of the original bike. There of one a guy built to the exact specs of Burt's bike.
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excellent movie... seen it a few times and have it ripped on my media share box
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excellent movie... seen it a few times and have it ripped on my media share box
i've only been able to watch part of the movie because everytime i sit down to watch it something seems to happen...i have it recorded, though.
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I thought it was a great story, but just an ok movie.


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The movie really was excellent, the whole time you felt like something terrible was going to happen though, lol.
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Awesome movie but unfortunately not one in my collection (yet). I remember reading somewhere that Anthony Hopkins performance was so good that the family members were brought to tears when they met him.




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I like it how he says "Or else Bob's you're uncle" in the movie a bunch of times!

They showed it on a plane one time and it was so riveting towards the end that eveyone wanted them to keep showing it all the way to the gate after the plane landed..
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Good read - thanks !

I liked the movie - couldn't help but cheer him on !

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Ticket question

My plate fell off on the highway somewhere which resulted in me getting pulled over. I actually found my plate wedged between my rear tire and fender(don't know how I didn't notice right away!) Well, I got a ticket for no m/c endorsement. Is this ticket dismissable?
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um, no. plate falling off has nothing to do with no mc endorsement, thus will not get it dismissed. You must have an MC endoresment and the only way to get out of it is to prove you had the certification prior to being pulled over. Just pay the fine, sign up for the MSF class and get the endorsement.
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um, no. plate falling off has nothing to do with no mc endorsement, thus will not get it dismissed. You must have an MC endoresment and the only way to get out of it is to prove you had the certification prior to being pulled over. Just pay the fine, sign up for the MSF class and get the endorsement.
I'm planning to do all this in the next week. My question is if I get my license before my court date, will I get it dismissed? kind of like you can with a no isurance ticket. I suppose I should just ask the county clerk.
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Uh...no. You didn't have your liscense, so you got the ticket you deserved.

I've never heard of being able to get a "no insurance" ticket dismissed by simply going and getting insurance after the fact. I had an expired card on me once and got that ticket, but I had to show up with proof that I had insurance at the time I was pulled over, not that I got it afterwards. That's like telling your girl "Ok, I'll go put a condom on" after she tells you that she's pregnant.

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Anybody elses plate ever fallen off and stuck between the fender and tire? Yeahh OK.

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Anybody elses plate ever fallen off and stuck between the fender and tire? Yeahh OK.
Gotta admit, this sounds fishy to me.

This guy just needs to get legal and pay the fines!
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My plate fell off on the highway somewhere which resulted in me getting pulled over. I actually found my plate wedged between my rear tire and fender(don't know how I didn't notice right away!) Well, I got a ticket for no m/c endorsement. Is this ticket dismissable?

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You're probably screwed on the ticket, and really you deserve it for driving w/o a license.

But if I were in your shoes, I would get the endsorsement and set a court date. You could get a sympathetic judge, afterall it is the holiday season.
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Anybody elses plate ever fallen off and stuck between the fender and tire? Yeahh OK.
Definitely happened. Burnt most of the letters off my plate and cut up my tire.

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Uh...no. You didn't have your liscense, so you got the ticket you deserved.

I've never heard of being able to get a "no insurance" ticket dismissed by simply going and getting insurance after the fact. I had an expired card on me once and got that ticket, but I had to show up with proof that I had insurance at the time I was pulled over, not that I got it afterwards. That's like telling your girl "Ok, I'll go put a condom on" after she tells you that she's pregnant.

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I'm planning to do all this in the next week. My question is if I get my license before my court date, will I get it dismissed? kind of like you can with a no isurance ticket. I suppose I should just ask the county clerk.
No it will not, been there, done that, had to still pay the ticket.
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my plate fell off once, but i never found it (didnt get stuck anywhere on the bike)
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Uh...no. You didn't have your liscense, so you got the ticket you deserved.

I've never heard of being able to get a "no insurance" ticket dismissed by simply going and getting insurance after the fact. I had an expired card on me once and got that ticket, but I had to show up with proof that I had insurance at the time I was pulled over, not that I got it afterwards. That's like telling your girl "Ok, I'll go put a condom on" after she tells you that she's pregnant.

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You can get a no insurance ticket dismissed if you get coverage after the fact. I hate to admit it but I did it a few times when I was young and dumb about 10 years ago.
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Well then I stand corrected...seems like an obvious loop-hole. I just remember the clerk looking at the date and making sure that my coverage was in-place the day that I was pulled over. May just be up to the clerk at the window, who knows.

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You can get a no insurance ticket dismissed if you get coverage after the fact. I hate to admit it but I did it a few times when I was young and dumb about 10 years ago.
This is why I thought I could possibly get it dismissed. I'm sure a lot of people didn't have their m endorsement when they first started riding. It's not a big deal, but I would like to avoid it if possible.
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Uh no. Same on the insurance. Lason got lucky. Its not a like a maintainance ticket, headlights, brake lights, blinkers, etc.

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This is why I thought I could possibly get it dismissed. I'm sure a lot of people didn't have their m endorsement when they first started riding. It's not a big deal, but I would like to avoid it if possible.
And I think riding w/o a m/c endorsement is a big deal. Perhaps after putting up with backyard tarzans who think they can hop on a sport bike and ride it like their Schwinn until they become roadkill. Having a m/c endorsement at least means you know some basic rules of the road and can ride in a little circle without falling down. Pay your just due to society and move on. It may be a bit much to ask, but please obey the laws of the land if you intend to stay. Be well,
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And I think riding w/o a m/c endorsement is a big deal. Perhaps after putting up with backyard tarzans who think they can hop on a sport bike and ride it like their Schwinn until they become roadkill. Having a m/c endorsement at least means you know some basic rules of the road and can ride in a little circle without falling down. Pay your just due to society and move on. It may be a bit much to ask, but please obey the laws of the land if you intend to stay. Be well,
I will pay my dues. IMO, I've learned way more from fellow riders and and a few guys I know who race then I ever would at a boring safety course. I will pay the ticket and move on.
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Everytime i have gone i paid at least that for two tickets.

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This was from the 2007 race I went to.

Seat location: section 21, row 34, seats 104-103
Total Charge: $36.73 For two.

$99 is high and parking is another $40 at least. It was section C310 too not that close.

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He is one of the guy's that says... hey look at me.... and then the funeral is planned... Keep in mind Super Bikes do tend to keep over-population in check!!

M/C saftey courses and superbike schools should be manditory, but then again soccer moms in 9k pound SUV's should not be allowed on the roads either without propper training!!!

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He is one of the guy's that says... hey look at me.... and then the funeral is planned... Keep in mind Super Bikes do tend to keep over-population in check!!

M/C saftey courses and superbike schools should be manditory, but then again soccer moms in 9k pound SUV's should not be allowed on the roads either without propper training!!!

Despite his obvious lack of proper grammar, I agree with his point about soccer moms driving gratitatious SUV's on 22's with stock brakes and a no idea of how to drive such a vehicle.

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Park at a nearby store and walk (a long ass way). I'll ride my damn skateboard all the way there before I'll pay $40 to park.


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And I think riding w/o a m/c endorsement is a big deal. Perhaps after putting up with backyard tarzans who think they can hop on a sport bike and ride it like their Schwinn until they become roadkill. Having a m/c endorsement at least means you know some basic rules of the road and can ride in a little circle without falling down. Pay your just due to society and move on. It may be a bit much to ask, but please obey the laws of the land if you intend to stay. Be well,
Not sure if the m/c endorsment means that you know anything about riding. I did not need a msf course to get mine (not sure if that has changed, I have had mine for 15 years.) But that being said he still needs to be legal to ride.


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Definitely plan on getting legal. Either that, or the bike sits. I don't want to throw anymore money away on tickets. I think MSF course's are for complete beginners to riding. When you grew up riding dirtbikes it's like a natural transition into street riding, albeit very different in some aspects. I wouldn't waste my money on one of those programs. This is my take on it.
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Definitely plan on getting legal. Either that, or the bike sits. I don't want to throw anymore money away on tickets. I think MSF course's are for complete beginners to riding. When you grew up riding dirtbikes it's like a natural transition into street riding, albeit very different in some aspects. I wouldn't waste my money on one of those programs. This is my take on it.
Just my .02, but I grew up on dirt too. Riding on the street is different, very different with a sportbike. I think the MSF course is good for all riders. I am thinking about taiking it just to see if they can teach me somthing I do not know.


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Just my .02, but I grew up on dirt too. Riding on the street is different, very different with a sportbike. I think the MSF course is good for all riders. I am thinking about taiking it just to see if they can teach me somthing I do not know.
I feel right at home on the street. As far as I know, these programs only teach you the basics, which I know. Countersteering, braking, etc... I don't think I would benefit in a course like that. However, I think a sport riding class, or perhaps a trackday, could teach me a lot. I've been reading "Sport Riding Techniques" by Nick Ienatsch lately. This is a good introduction into serious riding.
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