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Who here has actually drug a knee in the corner?

Is the knee actually supporting the bike in the lean (Like the leg is on a dirt track), or is it a finely balanced act that just happens to have the knee dragging the ground?

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Is the knee actually supporting the bike in the lean (Like the leg is on a dirt track), or is it a finely balanced act that just happens to have the knee dragging the ground?
Your knee is not supporting the weight of that bike........no way. It's Physics man......all the weight is still on the tires, it's like the machine at Six flags that spins you around and the floor drops out.

I have drug knee more than once...........(on my pocket bike)
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i have drug a knee. And dipass is right its physics, its called a gyroscope
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Its a bit different dragging your knee on a pocket bike and draggin your knee on your full size bike. You actually are supporting the bike with your knee on a full size bike its not a lot but you do support it a little bit. Thats why the pucks where so quick, because you are putting a little bit of pressure behind it.
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Its a bit different dragging your knee on a pocket bike and draggin your knee on your full size bike. You actually are supporting the bike with your knee on a full size bike its not a lot but you do support it a little bit. Thats why the pucks where so quick, because you are putting a little bit of pressure behind it.

your wrong bro....you are not supporting the bike only keeping a place for measure. You move the bike by putting pressure on the bar opposite your turning direction, fall to the corner and ease the throttle through it while your dragging the knee for a measure point. The throttle through the turn keeps the bike wanting to pull up because of the gyroscope effect. This is why when you brake or give it gas the bike will straighten up
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your wrong bro....you are not supporting the bike only keeping a place for measure. You move the bike by putting pressure on the bar opposite your turning direction, fall to the corner and ease the throttle through it while your dragging the knee for a measure point. The throttle through the turn keeps the bike wanting to pull up because of the gyroscope effect. This is why when you brake or give it gas the bike will straighten up
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otherwise known as the gyroscope effect. When a wheel is spinning the centrifugal force causes the wheel to want to stay upright, ie gyroscope effect
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Its a bit different dragging your knee on a pocket bike and draggin your knee on your full size bike. You actually are supporting the bike with your knee on a full size bike its not a lot but you do support it a little bit. Thats why the pucks where so quick, because you are putting a little bit of pressure behind it.
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otherwise known as the gyroscope effect. When a wheel is spinning the centrifugal force causes the wheel to want to stay upright, ie gyroscope effect
Panty waste is somewhat correct here, you are not supporting any part of the bikes weight with your knee. It may feel like it if your tryin to inch more lean, but until you actually fall over your not supporting a 400 lb bike with your knee.
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but until you actually fall over...


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i know you work over in plano. By the 7-11 b/w legacy and spring creek, right off preston. To the right of the 7-11 is about a 1/4 mile circle drive with nothing on it. You can go over there and get your knee down going about 35-40. Thats how i learned to start dragging hard parts.
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your wrong bro....you are not supporting the bike only keeping a place for measure. You move the bike by putting pressure on the bar opposite your turning direction, fall to the corner and ease the throttle through it while your dragging the knee for a measure point. The throttle through the turn keeps the bike wanting to pull up because of the gyroscope effect. This is why when you brake or give it gas the bike will straighten up


Its also what can cause you to loose the front end. Why do you think that when people loose the front end you can use your knee to get the bike back up? i.e. Valentino Rossi in 2001 on an NSR500
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Its also what can cause you to loose the front end. Why do you think that when people loose the front end you can use your knee to get the bike back up? i.e. Valentino Rossi in 2001 on an NSR500

Well I hate to say it, but then you just backed up Rich's statement. You dont use your knee till the bike falls. Of course, front tires will slide, but dont think its saved by a knee to the ground. You can guage the grip youve got by the pressure on your leg but once its over its over... Ever lost grip and had a tank slapper??? It tries to fucking throw you from that bike.....aint no knee gonna save ya
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LOL! that's good stuff.
I ain't skeered. I know forst hand what works and what doesn't work in the corners.......lol. Im 0 for 2.........lol.
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awww. you hoes don't know nuthin. I'm gonna ask this on R1-forums.com


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what kind of sprockets are best for stock length bike JC I need to know
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I already have, too late. But I was kicking ass right to that point. Over confident to early = bad.
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what kind of sprockets are best for stock length bike JC I need to know

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I will drag knee at a track day this summer and will get some pictures. I might even do it with my new set of tires if I am feeling good one day.
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and it has nothing to do with the gyroscopic action of the wheels.

I am not going to explain it, cause I am too lazy. Ask another mech engineer that is as lazy :-D

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and it has nothing to do with the gyroscopic action of the wheels.

I am not going to explain it, cause I am too lazy. Ask another mech engineer that is as lazy :-D
I am a Mechanical Engineer and I don't see what was so wrong with what they said. The gyroscopic forces, better known as the angular momentum, of the wheels on a motorcycle allow us to actually ride it. Any object which is spinning about an axis such as wheels, tops, gyroscopes, fans, etc. show the property of angular momentum. However, that is only part of the equation since angular momentum is a vector there must be another force to make turning a corner possible. That comes into play when the rider hangs off the bike, using his knee to gauge the total lean angle. Again the only reason for dragging a knee is so he can keep the maximum amount of the tire's contact patch on the road.
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I am a Mechanical Engineer and I don't see what was so wrong with what they said. The gyroscopic forces, better known as the angular momentum, of the wheels on a motorcycle allow us to actually ride it. Any object which is spinning about an axis such as wheels, tops, gyroscopes, fans, etc. show the property of angular momentum. However, that is only part of the equation since angular momentum is a vector there must be another force to make turning a corner possible. That comes into play when the rider hangs off the bike, using his knee to gauge the total lean angle. Again the only reason for dragging a knee is so he can keep the maximum amount of the tire's contact patch on the road.
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I only drag knee when riding behind Greg... I am not that experienced to do it by myself, still a newer rider.
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Its a bit different dragging your knee on a pocket bike and draggin your knee on your full size bike. You actually are supporting the bike with your knee on a full size bike its not a lot but you do support it a little bit. Thats why the pucks where so quick, because you are putting a little bit of pressure behind it.
Dude, the knee on the ground is only used as a guide....ie: how much more can i go down before i'm low-siding........and with your body in the correct position your knee is the farthest point into the turn so it drags.....If you don't understand the principle you prolly shouldn't try doing it........
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I am a Mechanical Engineer and I don't see what was so wrong with what they said. The gyroscopic forces, better known as the angular momentum, of the wheels on a motorcycle allow us to actually ride it. Any object which is spinning about an axis such as wheels, tops, gyroscopes, fans, etc. show the property of angular momentum. However, that is only part of the equation since angular momentum is a vector there must be another force to make turning a corner possible. That comes into play when the rider hangs off the bike, using his knee to gauge the total lean angle. Again the only reason for dragging a knee is so he can keep the maximum amount of the tire's contact patch on the road.
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guess I should clarify :-D

your knee does NOT support the bike. The cornering force does. if you sum the forces in the x dir (neglect banking) its the acceleration toward the center that keeps the bike up, same way you can lean forward dramatically while standing if you are acceleratingforward (on a trolly or something where you stand). This "force"(tho not really..) acts at the CG of the bike, which is above the tire contact patch, which creates a moment about the tires contact which is how it stays up.(counter acts the moment created by the bikes weight (also acting at the CG) downward.


gyroscopic action of the wheel obviously does have effects(such as the much beloved counter steer)

i know for a FACT that you dont support the wieght of the bike on your knee, but I hope I explained it well enough. THe knee is just more of a gauge of where the ground is(lean angle) and is a side effect of hanging your ass off the bike.

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thats why its faster to hang your weight off the bike, the moment(torque) that the weight of the bike creates is greater, which requires the cornering force to be higher to not fall over.. guess what that means.. higher corner speed!(as long as you arent sliding the tires)

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THe knee is just more of a gauge of where the ground is(lean angle) and is a side effect of hanging your ass off the bike.

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thats why its faster to hang your weight off the bike, the moment(torque) that the weight of the bike creates is greater, which requires the cornering force to be higher to not fall over.. guess what that means.. higher corner speed!(as long as you arent sliding the tires)
exactly what I said. and its true, its why all gp racers are seen hanging off the bike, it allows the bike more upright position so as not to fall over ie for higher speed cornering
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shit you knee dragging theologens(sp?) or some shit?
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your knee does NOT support the bike. The cornering force does. )

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how cold is to cold to ride?

just wondering what some af yall will ride in. me, im cold if its in the 60's
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what a wuss... my coldest temp i rode in was 38...

ben as thin as you are... get more thicker clothes.

you better be wearing your gear...

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what a wuss... my coldest temp i rode in was 38...

ben as thin as you are... get more thicker clothes.

you better be wearing your gear...
shit I got double layers on this morning! Im gonna go up to plano and get a new tire put on her (all this hinges on weather mandy will open her garage 4 me)
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judging by this post i take it you got the GSXR...

a good riding jacket will insulate your top half from the temps. and good gloves will help.

my biggest issue is my chin and legs while riding when it is cold. i just too much of a cheap bastard to buy proper "chin protection" and wear thermals under pants helps

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It depends on what kinda gear that you're wearing. I can ride in 45* weather but, after awhile it's pretty darn cold. I typically wear, a Textile/Leather jacket with a high button up neck w/ a button in liner. I like this jacket because it has zip up ventilation so when it's zipped up it keeps the wind out. I also wear thermals under my long sleeve shirts and thermals under my ICON riding jeans (which are thicker than the normal jeans and they help keep the wind out). My SIDI boots take care of my feet. And I recently bought some wool inserts for my gloves they help a bunch! My hands used to be freezing! What I need is a Baclava for my head and face.

But I only ride in cold weather when it's forecasted to be slightly warm in the afternoon. Something like 40* in the morning and 60* in the afternoon. But if it's gonna basically be freezing all day long, then I roll the car.

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Being from Missouri, if I wouldn't ride in temps colder then 60, I'd only be riding four months out of the year. My cutoff is usually 45 depending on wind and sun.

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judging by this post i take it you got the GSXR...

dude im pumped. Im gonna ride it today, cold or not.
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becareful!!!

but have fun. what does J think? she into it? or hate it?

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40* is the lowest I ride. Did below the 30's at night a couple times, had to stop at a whataburger half way to thaw my hands out in the resroom sink!

You do seem to get there a little faster when it's cold out.
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but have fun. what does J think? she into it? or hate it?
she thinks its sexy. but she wants me to get some hours on it before I take her out on it. I feel the same way.
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40* is the lowest I ride. Did below the 30's at night a couple times, had to stop at a whataburger half way to thaw my hands out in the resroom sink!

You do seem to get there a little faster when it's cold out.
well yeah! When I brought her home it was like 55* outside.-that sucked, but im bundeled up for today cause im really wanna take her out!
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well now that your riding one day you, rabe, crawford (sr not jr) and me should hook up and go riding.

you going to take a MSF course? i am planning on it soon. i need to get rid of my bad habits before they cause issues

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well now that your riding one day you, rabe, crawford (sr not jr) and me should hook up and go riding.

you going to take a MSF course? i am planning on it soon. i need to get rid of my bad habits before they cause issues
actually my dad and I are talking about taking one right up the road from here. its a weekend thing.

and yes, we should hook up for a ride
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The coldest I have ridden in was 26 degrees. My car wouldn't start and the only other source of transportation to work was my bike. I think I rode in full tuck the entire ride.
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I did it at 24 d with an half shell and glasses. city wasnt to bad and the highway sucked!
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I did it at 24 d with an half shell and glasses. city wasnt to bad and the highway sucked!

you people are crazy! but if thats your only way to get somewhere?
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after a while you get ust to it, But dont get me wrong it gets cold as shit! that andI love to ride not fairweather rider
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after a while you get ust to it, But dont get me wrong it gets cold as shit! that andI love to ride not fairweather rider

just got back from my first long ride on the bike! I fuckin love it! Cant wait till tommorrow! I may try and hook up with the jose GTG.
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