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WASHINGTON – In a fresh sign of turmoil among defeated Democrats, a growing number of the rank and file say they won't support House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in a politically symbolic roll call when the new Congress meets in January.

"The reality is that she is politically toxic," said Illinois Rep. Mike Quigley, one of several Democrats who are trying to pressure Pelosi to step aside as her party's leader in the wake of historic election losses to Republicans last week.

Pelosi startled many Democrats with a quick postelection announcement that she would run for minority leader. She has yet to draw an opponent for the post.

Party elections are scheduled for next week, although a postponement is possible.

In the interim, Pelosi's critics have become more vocal in their efforts to retire her from the party leadership.

There's "starting to be a sense that this may not be as much of a done deal as people might have thought," Rep. Jason Altmire said of Pelosi's quest to remain the top Democrat.

"If enough people come out and voice a little discomfort with the idea of her continuing on, maybe she would reconsider," said the Pennsylvanian, one of a handful of Democrats who said he won't cast a ceremonial vote for her.

The election of a party leader occurs behind closed doors. A separate election for speaker to be held on Jan. 5, a few hours after the House convenes for the first time, is a very visible one. One member of each party is typically nominated, and each lawmaker is then called by name to stand and declare a choice. The event is customarily televised live.

Defections from party discipline are rare in such circumstances, but several Democrats said they would not support Pelosi. They did not specify how they would vote instead.

Despite the criticism, one prominent ally, Rep. George Miller of California, said Wednesday night that Pelosi enjoys the support of the "overwhelming number of members of the caucus" for a new term as party leader.

"There has always been in the caucus and there always will be in the caucus people who want to distance themselves from the leadership. That's not new. I think that's a very small percentage," Miller said.

Pelosi's spokesman, Brendan Daly, added that the speaker has strong support throughout the caucus and "is grateful for the confidence that her colleagues have placed in her to become House Democratic leader."

Most of the Democrats who say they would not support Pelosi are moderates from conservative districts who have toiled to distinguish themselves from their liberal leader, and who watched dozens of like-minded Democrats go down in defeat after Republicans savaged them in TV advertisements as lapdogs of the San Francisco congresswoman.

Quigley stopped short of saying he would oppose Pelosi on a public vote, but others did not.

"You would find an unusual number of people not voting for the nominee of their party" if Pelosi were the choice, said Rep. Jim Matheson of Utah.

"There's a growing number of people in the caucus saying, 'Why's she running for minority leader in the first place?' We just got thumped in this election in a major way, and to act like we can just go back and do the same thing over again. It just seems like a very obvious situation when change is called for," Matheson said.

Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla., another conservative, said through a spokesman that he, too, plans to vote against Pelosi in public and private.

Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., strongly suggested as much in a statement in which he said he wouldn't back Pelosi "for House Democratic leader or any other leadership position in the Congress."

Democrats lost at least 60 seats in last week's elections, with a handful of races yet to be settled. Many of the defeats came in conservative or swing districts, and many of her critics are lawmakers who survived narrowly.

Altmire won re-election by little more than 2 percentage points, but Quigley ran up more than 70 percent of the vote in his Chicago-area district. Pelosi has "probably been made the scapegoat in all this," he said in an interview, but he added that keeping her as the top Democrat "would make recruitment very difficult and winning back the House in two years nearly impossible."

The prospect of substantial Democratic defections from Pelosi on the first day of the new Congress comes amid a heated debate between liberals and conservatives about the party's future. Many liberals assert Democrats must reinvigorate core supporters by refusing to compromise with Republicans on key principles, while centrists argue they must tack to the middle to win over independent voters.

The divide is complicated by the fact that the party's losses disproportionately hit moderates, purging the ranks of conservatives who call themselves "Blue Dogs," a coalition that lost more than half of its members. Liberals who are Pelosi's natural constituency now make up a greater percentage of House Democrats.

Her decision to seek a new term as party leader has also set off a messy struggle between Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, currently the No. 2 Democrat, and Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the current No. 3.

Hoyer is widely viewed as the voice of moderate Democrats in leadership, although his list of public supporters includes powerful liberals. Clyburn is the most powerful African-American in Congress. The two are competing for the second-in-command position in the minority in a contest that has taken on racial overtones in recent days with the decision of the Congressional Black Caucus to endorse Clyburn.

Democratic officials say Pelosi has urged Clyburn to bow out of the race and run for a lesser leadership job, with an additional promise of a newly created face-saving position on a key committee. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss private discussions.

Kristie Greco, a spokeswoman for Clyburn, declined to confirm Pelosi's move, but said her boss remains a candidate and "The CBC wants to see this come to a vote."

Other Democrats, eager for a smooth transition, note that if Pelosi were to withdraw, it would avoid a face-off between Hoyer and Clyburn.

"It's still in play," Matheson said. But, he added, "without an alternative stepping up and saying, 'Vote for me instead,' it makes it a little more difficult."

Even the timetable for the selection of leaders has become embroiled in the controversy.
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-10-2010, 09:13 PM
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I can tell by just looking at and listening to Pelosi that she is what I would call a special kind of idiot. An idiot that has its own classification. She is that old broad that you don't even bother arguing with because you know she is stuck in her own dumbass opinions, and is likely too stupid to be able to sense the true nature of a situation anyways. I bet her time in power was nothing compared to other speakers. They probly knew better than to tell that idiot anything important, and only filled her in on stuff that she absolutely had to know.
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I can tell by just looking at and listening to Pelosi that she is what I would call a special kind of idiot. An idiot that has its own classification. She is that old broad that you don't even bother arguing with because you know she is stuck in her own dumbass opinions, and is likely too stupid to be able to sense the true nature of a situation anyways. I bet her time in power was nothing compared to other speakers. They probly knew better than to tell that idiot anything important, and only filled her in on stuff that she absolutely had to know.
She's always been a very staunch liberal, who thinks we're all too stupid to know what's best for us. California is a welfare state, so she thinks the whole country should be. She (and others) jets around in her G5 or goverment issued 747, but chastises us for owning a Suburban. I hope the American people have been made aware of some of this, and based on the election results, I think some have.

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I am torn about her losing her position of authority with the liberals. I kind of like her and Obama being the poster children for modern liberalism.

I actually think it would be a positive thing for the Democrats if the serious Democrats stood up against her, and as a conservative I want them to keep letting idiots like Pelosi be their leaders.

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I am torn about her losing her position of authority with the liberals. I kind of like her and Obama being the poster children for modern liberalism.

I actually think it would be a positive thing for the Democrats if the serious Democrats stood up against her, and as a conservative I want them to keep letting idiots like Pelosi be their leaders.
Pelosi being the face of the democrats is like Jerruh owning the Cowboys.... a recipe for unbridled and unremitting suckage for both groups... LOL

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This bitch is delusional. Hopefully a bus runs her over.

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Pelosi says that the dems didn't lose because of her. More delusional thinking.

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Pelosi being the face of the democrats is like Jerruh owning the Cowboys.... a recipe for unbridled and unremitting suckage for both groups... LOL
That may be, but it took Obama to bring down the liberals.

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I forget which republican said it, but it was something along the lines that he supported her being the minority leader because she has done more for job creation for republican congressional candidates than anyone else.
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