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I've followed the Tea Party movement from its very beginnings under Ron Paul's guidance as a group of concerned citizens that had similar views on the economy and the size of government. I identified with the group and supported them when their mission was to limit the size and powers of government and the constitution was central to their mission.

However, over the past year it's gotten out of control. The Tea Party has become yet another arm of the religious zealots that seem to have an infinite grasp on all things conservative. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin's involvement these days is really the ultimate illustration of just how much the Tea Party has changed. Both hold views that stand in stark contrast to the core beliefs of what originated the Tea Party, and I'm beginning to see that a lot of the followers of the Tea Party (really just Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin fanatics that have followed them over) stand in contrast to those same values.

Regardless, a lot of you don't like Ron Paul and are going to write off what he said right here, but the fact is that the Tea Party was a bit of his brainchild and it's been twisted beyond recognition. He seems to think that it's not so bad and can be corrected, but I disagree.

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Ron Paul has some surprising news for the Tea Party:

You’re being taken for a ride.

At least this is what many libertarians like Ron Paul believe when they see someone like Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin trying to lead the Tea Party at the “restoring honor” rally this weekend. In fact, Ron Paul believes, if you’re looking for real freedom, you should really go back to the core of the constitution and the bill of rights, which Beck and Palin do not fully endorse when you really look at their beliefs. Whether it be Palin’s support for starting more wars or Beck’s beliefs on paying the private Federal Reserve MORE interest on our money by means of a VAT tax.

Ron Paul believes in neither of the above.

Here was Ron Paul’s message to the Tea Party via The New York Times just the other day:

“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”

While the Tea Party will be out supporting Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin this weekend, you wonder how many of them will be in full support of more wars and paying more interest to a group of untouchable and unauditable private bankers otherwise known as the FED? This is precisely what Ron Paul is asking the American public to consider when looking at the Tea Party leaders and see if they really stand for what they believe in.

Ron Paul believes the Tea Party is not about “left” or “right” like a lot of political pundits make it out to be. It’s about the constitution, and limited government.

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100% agree

I have heard a lot about tax cuts, but very little on spending cuts and where exactly they are coming from. with out spending cuts, the tax cuts are not going to do any good, because we will just have to print more money to make up the difference.

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Ron Paul is history...it doesn't matter what he thinks. The rest of it, I don't have an opinion on. Just get the current bastards out. The rest will take care of itself. That's my bottom line.

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If Ron Paul had been elected do you think he would have done a better job with health care? I think so. That may have helped out debt problems at least on the medical side of things.

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If Ron Paul had been elected do you think he would have done a better job with health care? I think so. That may have helped out debt problems at least on the medical side of things.
With all the other issues, health care needed to be left alone, regardless of who is POTUS.

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With all the other issues, health care needed to be left alone, regardless of who is POTUS.
Help me out here I don't internet much. What is POTUS? I got it from one of the other threads. Its President right?

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Help me out here I don't internet much. What is POTUS? I got it from one of the other threads. Its President right?
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Yeah, the republicans have hijacked the tea party. When they take control back in two years the same shit will continue and nothing will change. They may repeal health care, but none of them will speak out against the UN or the FED which are the real problems. This country is controlled by offshore banks/corporations and they make the rules not us.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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If Ron Paul had been elected do you think he would have done a better job with health care? I think so. That may have helped out debt problems at least on the medical side of things.
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With all the other issues, health care needed to be left alone, regardless of who is POTUS.
This.

And the essence of my post wasn't so much that Ron Paul is better than candidate A or B, but that the Tea Party has been hijacked and is just as full of shit as the two major parties.

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Yeah, the republicans have hijacked the tea party. When they take control back in two years the same shit will continue and nothing will change. They may repeal health care, but none of them will speak out against the UN or the FED which are the real problems. This country is controlled by offshore banks/corporations and they make the rules not us.
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I'm glad I'm not so pessimistic. I think I'd just blow my brains out...
No one ever said the truth is easy to digest.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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So you are the lone bearer of "Truth"? LMAO...
You said that not me. I've never made that claim. Sorry, I don't support the broken political system which has continuously failed the American people. It's pretty obvious what has happened in this country, but if you want believe that will all change by a Republican getting elected, that's your choice.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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You said that not me. I've never made that claim. Sorry, I don't support the broken political system which has continuously failed the American people. It's pretty obvious what has happened in this country, but if you want believe that will all change by a Republican getting elected, that's your choice.
Yeah, I guess you can just sit back and do nothing and come out farther ahead. There are other countries to live in if you're really that miserable.

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I think it is a good thing that very few associate RP with the Tea Party. I think the current Tea Party will cause current politicians to go conservative in almost all areas, and that is a good thing IMO. I think the Tea Party supported candidates are better than the typical Republicans that have come forward in the last few elections with few exceptions. I like Sarah Palin becuase I like her conservative views.

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Yeah, I guess you can just sit back and do nothing and come out farther ahead. There are other countries to live in if you're really that miserable.
Quit acting like you know me or how I feel. You haven't a clue. Just because I dislike our corrupt political system doesn't make me miserable.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Quit acting like you know me or how I feel. You haven't a clue. Just because I dislike our corrupt political system doesn't make me miserable.
My "corrupt political system"? Keep sitting back and BITCHING about it, and that will damn sure get it fixed! I know you well enough by all the crap you post. I have no desire to know you any better than that. The negativity just oozes from you...

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My "corrupt political system"? Keep sitting back and BITCHING about it, and that will damn sure get it fixed! I know you well enough by all the crap you post. I have no desire to know you any better than that. The negativity just oozes from you...
Well it's kind of hard to talk positive about people that continuously fuck us over. I don't know you so I can only speak for myself. When someone fucks me over I have a hard time trusting them.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Well it's kind of hard to talk positive about people that continuously fuck us over. I don't know you so I can only speak for myself. When someone fucks me over I have a hard time trusting them.
I completely understand, but it's just not in my nature to quit.

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I completely understand, but it's just not in my nature to quit.
Who said anything about quitting? If I ever I quit I'll leave the country. The only thing I've quit is buying the bullshit they try and feed us.

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i think it is a good thing that very few associate rp with the tea party. I think the current tea party will cause current politicians to go conservative in almost all areas, and that is a good thing imo. I think the tea party supported candidates are better than the typical republicans that have come forward in the last few elections with few exceptions. I like sarah palin becuase i like her conservative views.

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If the tea party is about getting back in line with the constitution, I'm all for it. If it's for getting the socialist out of control, I'm all for it. However, I don't want more of the same shit we've had before. The only thing that is going to make a difference is if we set term limits. The career politicians have sold their souls to stay in office and aren't really concerned with doing what is right for our country. I was impressed the first few time I heard Sarah Palin speak, but then she started sounding more like Mrs Kravitz from Bewitched. I hope the repubs can find a better candidate than her so I can feel better about voting the dems out.
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If the tea party is about getting back in line with the constitution, I'm all for it. If it's for getting the socialist out of control, I'm all for it. However, I don't want more of the same shit we've had before. The only thing that is going to make a difference is if we set term limits. The career politicians have sold their souls to stay in office and aren't really concerned with doing what is right for our country. I was impressed the first few time I heard Sarah Palin speak, but then she started sounding more like Mrs Kravitz from Bewitched. I hope the repubs can find a better candidate than her so I can feel better about voting the dems out.
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100% agree

I have heard a lot about tax cuts, but very little on spending cuts and where exactly they are coming from. with out spending cuts, the tax cuts are not going to do any good, because we will just have to print more money to make up the difference.
I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with you on this.
It's absolutely true. Even a high-school economics class failure know that if you cut your intake of funds and do not cut your expenditures, you will soon be on your way to the sewage treatment plant.

Fresh blood that aren't career politicians can hopefully get things back in check.
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100% agree

I have heard a lot about tax cuts, but very little on spending cuts and where exactly they are coming from. with out spending cuts, the tax cuts are not going to do any good, because we will just have to print more money to make up the difference.
Health care and NEA are two biggies that have been discussed ad nauseam...

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Ron Paul is history...it doesn't matter what he thinks. The rest of it, I don't have an opinion on. Just get the current bastards out. The rest will take care of itself. That's my bottom line.
Hes just pissed his libertarian group never took off, more sour grapes.
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Hes just pissed his libertarian group never took off, more sour grapes.
I agree with some Libertarian ideas, but talk about a divisive party?

The Tea Party works because it's about basic issues and there's a common enemy.

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At one point I thought there would be a battle between ideologies. Now I'm beginning to think it will be between large corporations and the rest of us. Politicians want the same thing, power and a lifetime ticket to the ball.
I don't think Americans have what it takes anymore for resisting totalitarianism. This country's citizens have so many privileges mistaken for rights, there may not be any coming back until the wheels come all the way off the wagon.

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I don't think Americans have what it takes anymore for resisting totalitarianism. This country's citizens have so many privileges mistaken for rights, there may not be any coming back until the wheels come all the way off the wagon.
This is true too, unless someone can get through the thick skulls of the masses and realize that gadgets have consumed attention and the country has been lost. Otherwise, they'll have to lose everything to realize they have lost everything.

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If Ron Paul had been elected do you think he would have done a better job with health care? I think so. That may have helped out debt problems at least on the medical side of things.
Hell yes he would have especially with his background.

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It's absolutely true. Even a high-school economics class failure know that if you cut your intake of funds and do not cut your expenditures, you will soon be on your way to the sewage treatment plant.

Fresh blood that aren't career politicians can hopefully get things back in check.

Good luck explaining that simple logic to any republicon.

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I think it is a good thing that very few associate RP with the Tea Party. I think the current Tea Party will cause current politicians to go conservative in almost all areas, and that is a good thing IMO. I think the Tea Party supported candidates are better than the typical Republicans that have come forward in the last few elections with few exceptions. I like Sarah Palin becuase I like her conservative views.

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If the tea party is about getting back in line with the constitution, I'm all for it. If it's for getting the socialist out of control, I'm all for it. However, I don't want more of the same shit we've had before. The only thing that is going to make a difference is if we set term limits. The career politicians have sold their souls to stay in office and aren't really concerned with doing what is right for our country. I was impressed the first few time I heard Sarah Palin speak, but then she started sounding more like Mrs Kravitz from Bewitched. I hope the repubs can find a better candidate than her so I can feel better about voting the dems out.
We have term limits, the problem is that people keep voting the same politicians into power. There is no need to change the constitution and add term limits for congressmen, we need to change the mindset of the citizens of this country. Without a change in the voters they will keep voting the same type of idiots into office with different names.

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Good luck explaining that simple logic to any republicon.
bullet everybody has had enough of you bashing Republicans. We get it, you think all Republicans are stupid, can we move on now?

I, unlike some here, don't think you are an idiot and I don't mind that you disagree with some of my views, but the recording is getting old man.

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We have term limits, the problem is that people keep voting the same politicians into power. There is no need to change the constitution and add term limits for congressmen, we need to change the mindset of the citizens of this country. Without a change in the voters they will keep voting the same type of idiots into office with different names.



bullet everybody has had enough of you bashing Republicans. We get it, you think all Republicans are stupid, can we move on now?

I, unlike some here, don't think you are an idiot and I don't mind that you disagree with some of my views, but the recording is getting old man.
I want the same term limits for Congress that we have for POTUS.

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I want the same term limits for Congress that we have for POTUS.
I'll say it again...without a change in the voters they will keep voting the same type of idiots into office with different names.

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I'll say it again...without a change in the voters they will keep voting the same type of idiots into office with different names.
You can keep blaming the voters all you want, I choose to blame the people who get elected and don't follow through with what they said they were going to do.

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You can keep blaming the voters all you want, I choose to blame the people who get elected and don't follow through with what they said they were going to do.
You have to admit both share some of the blame. Voter education is woeful. The inability of any politician to keep their word is equally woeful.
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I like the tea party movement. I'm glad it came about. I do wonder though, if when the republicans get back into power, if there will be a sort of liberal party movement. Just like the tea party only with liberals.
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How can there be term limits when the same congressmen stay in there for 40 years? If there were true limits like there is with the president, then they wouldn't be eligible to be voted back in.
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I like the tea party movement. I'm glad it came about. I do wonder though, if when the republicans get back into power, if there will be a sort of liberal party movement. Just like the tea party only with liberals.
It's called the Democratic party...

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It's called the Democratic party...
Well I mean something not really party affiliated, sort of like the tea party. You know, how they like didn't call it the republican party movement, they just called it the tea party movement. I guess when the liberals do it they will have to call it the commie party movement ha

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FYI,term limits would solve nothing.
Yeah for a long time I was for term limits. But I am starting to wonder if they would actually help. The way it is now, you got these incumbents who desperately don't want to lose their gravy train. Notice how panicked they get when they see that they are about to lose their job. But with term limits, you would never really get that. They would be like "screw it, I'm going to lose this job anyway". I don't know, maybe term limits are the way to go. But that is one thing that would go out the window for sure.
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You have to admit both share some of the blame. Voter education is woeful. The inability of any politician to keep their word is equally woeful.
I don't think the blame is equal, but there is plenty to go around.

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Tea party sucks now. I used to think I could support the movement,but not so much anymore.
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Are you going to explain this randon crap or have us think you are just another idiot who throws out a few posts with no substance?

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I like the tea party movement. I'm glad it came about. I do wonder though, if when the republicans get back into power, if there will be a sort of liberal party movement. Just like the tea party only with liberals.
The far left liberal movement is in full swing and the leaders of the Democratic Party (Obama, Pelosi, and Reid) are leading the charge. Why do you think this conservative movement got so motivated?

I am guessing you are under 21 years of age, am I right?

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I could spend all day and night explaining. What do you wanna know?
I do not support the tea party any longer. It is nothing more than the republicans renaming themselves to try to regain control. While that is better than the democrats,its not necessarily a good thing. They can ac t conservative all they want,but their previous actions speak different.

ANother reason i am not FOR the tea party movement is this....
I have heard countless numbers of "TEA PARTIERS" tell me that come election day,they will write in their tea party candidates. WHile its their right to do so,it's a childish and stupid waste of a vote. Especially in the governors race here in Texas. While I cant stand Dicky Perry,I really hate bill white. The race is pretty close according to various polls. If its 40% perry 39% white,which was one poll last week,the tea baggers need to support the most "conservative candidate. Writing in someone like debra medina could do more damage than good,if its as close as polls have shown. Dont get me wrong,I like medina,but she doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning.
Okay, you do have some substance. I apologize.

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