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O'Donnell wins! GOP acting like brats, now...

And this is where conservatives will fail, if the GOP keeps acting like a bunch of whining brats when "their" person loses instead of recognizing the person the people wants!
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Tea Party favorite Christine O'Donnell, a perennial candidate with no government experience, soundly defeated veteran politician Mike Castle for the Republican Senate nomination in Delaware Tuesday -- posing a major upset to the political establishment on the last big day of primaries.

With all precincts reporting, O'Donnell beat Castle 53-47 percent.

O'Donnell's win stands as the latest sign of Tea Party strength but also the latest test of whether that movement helps or hinders the Republican Party, with an open seat and perhaps a GOP Senate majority at stake.

Party fractures on full display, Republican aides told Fox News Tuesday that O'Donnell would not be getting national fundraising support. State party leaders had warned that O'Donnell cannot compete against Democrat Chris Coons and vigorously backed Castle, a nine-term congressman and former governor.

But O'Donnell stood her ground as she closed out the race by accusing Castle of selling out to the moderate wing of the party. Hailing her win Tuesday as a victory for "citizen politicians," she urged Republicans to "bury the hatchet" and work with her over the next two months to defeat Coons.

"A lot of people have already said that we can't win the general election," O'Donnell said in her victory speech, joining the crowd in a "yes we can" chant. "It is those same so-called experts who said we had no chance of winning the primary.

"It will be hard work, but we can win," she said.

The Tea Party Express said it hoped the National Republican Senatorial Committee would reconsider its decision not to support O'Donnell.


"We encourage the NRSC to take a night off, get some sleep, and reconsider their rash statements," Tea Party Express spokesman Levi Russell said in a written statement.

"Wake up NRSC," he added. "The reason the Tea Party movement has grown into such a powerful force is because of the failures of establishment organizations such as yours to honor the principles of the Republican Party platform."You tried to force through the most liberal Republican in Congress on the voters of Delaware and they rejected you."

Considered a long shot just weeks ago, O'Donnell's candidacy got renewed attention after conservative Joe Miller beat Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski in their state's Senate primary last month. Big-name endorsements from Sarah Palin and South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint boosted her profile in the final days of the race, which snowballed into one of the nastiest intra-party battles of the year.

Republican aides told Fox News Tuesday that the National Republican Senatorial Committee will not be funding O'Donnell's general election campaign, leaving it up to Palin and the Tea Party Express to do the heavy lifting.

The NRSC issued a terse statement congratulating O'Donnell for her nomination "after a hard-fought primary campaign."


Castle, thanking his campaign staff for their "integrity and honesty," conceded late Tuesday.

"The voters in the Republican primary have spoken and I respect that decision," he said.

Tea Party-backed candidate Ovide Lamontagne also took the lead in the GOP primary contest for Senate in New Hampshire.

In total, seven states and Washington, D.C., held primary contests Tuesday night.

Primaries in New York and Wisconsin emerged as must-see races, with embattled congressman Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., overcoming his toughest challenge in years and GOP businessman Ron Johnson winning a chance to take on vulnerable Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., in November.

Other notable races included the New Hampshire Senate contest and the D.C. mayoral race, where Washington Mayor Adrian Fenty was fending off a formidable challenge from D.C. Council chairman Vincent Gray.

But all eyes were on Delaware, where Republicans scrambled for the Senate seat formerly held by Vice President Biden.

Democrats were eager to draw lessons from O'Donnell's victory and immediately portrayed her Tuesday as too extreme for her state, as they did when conservative Sharron Angle won the GOP Senate nomination in Nevada earlier this year.

"Today the Republican Party has shown just how far right it has moved," DNC Chairman Tim Kaine said in a written statement. "While Americans in Delaware and across the country are eager for both parties to work together toward solutions that move America forward, Delaware's Tea Party Republicans have nominated a self-aggrandizing and divisive candidate who seeks to tear down the progress we've made to recover from failed Republican economic policies that took us to the brink of economic collapse."

While O'Donnell's campaign enjoyed a $250,000 injection from the Tea Party Express, some Tea Party groups did not support her. The state GOP and even some of O'Donnell's former staffers have hammered her for calling herself a fiscal conservative when she has had personal financial problems.

O'Donnell tried to brush off the attacks, accusing the party of resorting to "cannibalism" in an ultimately failed attempt to stave off her rise against Castle.

Party leaders no doubt were looking at midterm polls that showed Castle leading Coons in November but O'Donnell trailing. The seat could be critical for Republicans hoping to gain control of the Senate. They need to pick up 10 seats to do so.

In New York, state Assemblyman Adam Clayton Powell IV was seeking revenge on Rangel, who defeated his father, a legendary figure in Harlem, 40 years ago. The race comes as Rangel faces a potential House trial for charges of 13 ethics violations, mostly related to his personal finances, that has caused some politicians, voters, and even President Obama to suggest it is time for Rangel to retire. Obama said Rangel should "end his career with dignity."

Rangel has dismissed Powell as a "nice fellow." The incumbent was getting help from former President Bill Clinton who recorded a robocall in which he praised the congressman's record.

New Hampshire held a four-way GOP Senate primary Tuesday for retiring Sen. Judd Gregg's seat. Former state Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, who was backed by both Palin and the Republican establishment, was trying to fend off a come-from-behind surge by Lamontagne, a well-known New Hampshire conservative who's courted Tea Party voters aggressively. Early returns showed Lamontagne in the lead.

The winner will oppose Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes in November.

In Maryland, the GOP gubernatorial primary also included a Tea Party activist and Palin-backed candidate: investor Brian Murphy. But he failed to pick up enough steam to topple former Gov. Robert Ehrlich.

Ehrlich won the GOP nomination by a landslide Tuesday and is eyeing a November rematch against Democratic incumbent Martin O'Malley, who beat him in 2006.
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The RNC, much like the DNC, just doesn't get it. They don't understand that their core is still pissed at them.

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The RNC, much like the DNC, just doesn't get it. They don't understand that their core is still pissed at them.

If this continues, the GOP will NOT get a majority in the Senate.
And neither will the Tea Party and we'll be right back in the same shit we're in now, only worse.
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When will we get rid of party titles and vote on the person and not the party? All parties have good people and corrupt people.
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When will we get rid of party titles and vote on the person and not the party? All parties have good people and corrupt people.
Seeing as Thomas Jefferson warned people to not create parties, and we did anyways, never.
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Seeing as Thomas Jefferson warned people to not create parties, and we did anyways, never.
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Damn, you are correct. I had them mixed up.

Was it Madisson who started the opposing party to Jefferson mainly over the Federal Bank.
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I feel like something like this has happened before, and it really came back to bite republicans in the ass..... oh wait-











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I feel like something like this has happened before, and it really came back to bite republicans in the ass..... oh wait-

Damn bull-moose party
That's why I, for one, don't want a 3rd party. The 'Pubs should get behind the candidate the people wanted instead of crying because "their" candidate lost.

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And this is where conservatives will fail, if the GOP keeps acting like a bunch of whining brats when "their" person loses instead of recognizing the person the people wants!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...come-delaware/


Nothing like a bunch of 40-70 adults whining like little babies because they can't handle losing.


Been hearing the same whining on DFWS for nearly 2 years now.

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Nothing like a bunch of 40-70 adults whining like little babies because they can't handle losing.


Been hearing the same whining on DFWS for nearly 2 years now.
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I feel like something like this has happened before, and it really came back to bite republicans in the ass..... oh wait-
Damn bull-moose party
The democrats of 1912 are not even remotely the same as the ones today. They cannot even be considered the same party, just uses the same name.

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The democrats of 1912 are not even remotely the same as the ones today. They cannot even be considered the same party, just uses the same name.

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That was not the point of my post. I was pointing out that in 1912, Roosevelt (with honest intentions) challenged the republican vote and essentially gave the election the democrats. Wilson was one of the only democrat presidents post civil war (the other being Grover Cleveland). Roosevelt had been president and even got Taft elected, but ran again and formed the bull-moose party which in many ways is like the tea party.

But yes, you are correct, the democrats of today are different than the democrats of yesteryear.
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Roosevelt (with honest intentions) challenged the republican vote and essentially gave the election the democrats.
Actually, I disagree, look at the electoral pie chart.

The combination of the Taft/Roosevelt electoral votes (which are the ones that actually count in presidential elections) were only 18%, while Wilson had 82%

It doesn't really apply yo this thread, but using this as an example doesn't really fit. Ross Perot might be a better example, except he switched party lines, (sort of).


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Actually, I disagree, look at the electoral pie chart.

The combination of the Taft/Roosevelt electoral votes (which are the ones that actually count in presidential elections) were only 18%, while Wilson had 82%

It doesn't really apply yo this thread, but using this as an example doesn't really fit. Ross Perot might be a better example, except he switched party lines, (sort of).


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The combined roosevelt/taft votes (who together had the popular vote) would have put the electoral college on the republican side Stevo.

Most historians agree that if Roosevelt would have backed off, Taft would have been reelected.


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The combined roosevelt/taft votes (who together had the popular vote) would have put the electoral college on the republican side Stevo.

Most historians agree that if Roosevelt would have backed off, Taft would have been reelected.


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Umm, go back and look, the electoral votes no where near match the public vote percentages. It appears the electoral college had already decided who it wanted for president, regardless of the public opinion. It is kinda hard to argue with those facts.

Taft= 8 (1.5%)
Roosevelt= 88 ((16.5%)

That is 18% total republican electoral votes. It doesn't matter who had what on the public vote, the electoral college votes how it chooses, and they choose who is president. If they somehow followed the public voting opinion, then your point would be somewhat valid, but look at the number spread.

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Umm, go back and look, the electoral votes no where near match the public vote percentages. It appears the electoral college had already decided who it wanted for president, regardless of the public opinion. It is kinda hard to argue with those facts.

Taft= 8 (1.5%)
Roosevelt= 88 ((16.5%)

That is 18% total republican electoral votes. It doesn't matter who had what on the public vote, the electoral college votes how it chooses, and they choose who is president. If they somehow followed the public voting opinion, then your point would be somewhat valid, but look at the number spread.

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You are implying tough that if a single candidate was running on behalf of roosevelt and taft, the electoral college votes would have remained unchanged.
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You are implying tough that if a single candidate was running on behalf of roosevelt and taft, the electoral college votes would have remained unchanged.
You are implying that if there was only one republican running, that he would have captured votes that not only went to the other republican, but somehow a large percentage of those that went democrat.

I am implying that, based on the difference in electoral vote/public vote percentages, it doesn't matter how many republicans ran that year, 1 ,2 or 5, the electoral college was voting in Wilson.

Your point is that the party being divided, there wasn't enough votes to make either republican candidate electable. I would consider that if the electoral votes remained along the public voted party and candidate lines, but it didn't. Wilson won because republican electoral votes turned and voted democrat, meaning that the ones that were going to vote Taft OR Roosevelt voted neither way, but went Wilson. That doesn't say split party, that says they dumped the whole party.

I am telling you that it would not have mattered if only one ran, the electoral college was only applying a certain amount of votes to the republicans period. They liked NEITHER republican.

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And this is where conservatives will fail, if the GOP keeps acting like a bunch of whining brats when "their" person loses instead of recognizing the person the people wants!
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That's why I, for one, don't want a 3rd party. The 'Pubs should get behind the candidate the people wanted instead of crying because "their" candidate lost.
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If this continues, the GOP will NOT get a majority in the Senate.
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And neither will the Tea Party and we'll be right back in the same shit we're in now, only worse.
I agree ^^^^^^
I pray this doesn't happen, but can see 0bummer back in due to this. Palin runs, there's a split and the dems get back in in 2012. Especially how currupt and power hungry this guy is.
The Republicans need to stand by the tea party and vice versa IMO. Gosh I hope they don't screw it up. They need to sit down and think real hard on what could and could not happen if they don't listen to what Americans truely want/need.

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