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anyone feel like our world is at war?

The chinese have said business is war. And doesn't it seem that the governments of the world are at war with the major corporations?
I think some people have figured out that information is more powerful than the threat of violence. Our country is controlled not by the threat of violence but information.

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Believe it or not, I must say good post......

I agree with the first two statements. The third sentence does not necessarily apply in say, certain African countries, but does to some extent in places like Afghanistan.
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Wait, a respectful post agreeing with each other? The world must be at war!

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Wait, a respectful post agreeing with each other? The world must be at war!
Those two are like Israelis and Palestinians.


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Believe it or not, I must say good post......

I agree with the first two statements. The third sentence does not necessarily apply in say, certain African countries, but does to some extent in places like Afghanistan.
so you agree that information is more powerful than the threat of violence? That would partially include misinformation.
the big question would be how do you defend your country from misinformation?

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the big question would be how do you defend your country from misinformation?
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so you agree that information is more powerful than the threat of violence? That would partially include misinformation.
the big question would be how do you defend your country from misinformation?
Good post. Isn't information still a threat of violence? Violence now a days will really get you no where. Finding information on someone that they do not want revealed is much heavier than a threat of violence.

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so you agree that information is more powerful than the threat of violence? That would partially include misinformation.
the big question would be how do you defend your country from misinformation?
Not necessarily more powerful, but it can be depending on widely it's distributed. One ironclad defense against misinformation is education.
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Not necessarily more powerful, but it can be depending on widely it's distributed. One ironclad defense against misinformation is education.
but in order to be educated you first must know the truth.

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You might not need to know the truth so much as have the means to learn the truth. In a closed society such as that which exists in North Korea, the means to learn the truth, much less know the truth, is essentially non-existent. Add to that the threat of physical violence used by their government against their own citizens, and you have an almost insurmountable barrier to ever becoming a real player on the world stage.
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You might not need to know the truth so much as have the means to learn the truth. In a closed society such as that which exists in North Korea, the means to learn the truth, much less know the truth, is essentially non-existent. Add to that the threat of physical violence used by their government against their own citizens, and you have an almost insurmountable barrier to ever becoming a real player on the world stage.
what exactly does that mean to become a player on the world stage?

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how many people believe violence is more powerful than information?

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I questioned your order. It is money, and those that effectively use violence.

If you're willing to steam roll someone with no regard for life, information doesn't mean shit.

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if business is war then wouldnt china be kicking our asses? hmmm

China just needs to hurry up and get cocky and invade taiwan so we can end this bullshit "free trade aka one way open door" we have with them.

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You might not need to know the truth so much as have the means to learn the truth. In a closed society such as that which exists in North Korea, the means to learn the truth, much less know the truth, is essentially non-existent. Add to that the threat of physical violence used by their government against their own citizens, and you have an almost insurmountable barrier to ever becoming a real player on the world stage.
You can say the same thing about the USA anymore as well. The general media and educational institutions of this country have no idea what the truth is and the few that do go to even greater lengths to obscure it. So maybe in N. Korea it's a bit more overt, but it is really much of the same in the USA.
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if business is war then wouldnt china be kicking our asses? hmmm

China just needs to hurry up and get cocky and invade taiwan so we can end this bullshit "free trade aka one way open door" we have with them.
China just sold a lot of our debt, Japan is the second largest holder of our U.S. Treasury Bonds , and yes Intelligence wins wars.

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China just sold a lot of our debt, Japan is the second largest holder of our U.S. Treasury Bonds , and yes Intelligence wins wars.
Talking about this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...treasury-bonds

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what exactly does that mean to become a player on the world stage?
That was in reference to your first post about China's statement that business is war. Economically, as long as North Korea remains closed off with respect to information (and trade) it will never have any real impact on world events. On the contrary, in a regional sense they are very much a parasite on their few allies given their status as a beggar nation.

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You can say the same thing about the USA anymore as well. The general media and educational institutions of this country have no idea what the truth is and the few that do go to even greater lengths to obscure it. So maybe in N. Korea it's a bit more overt, but it is really much of the same in the USA.
One big difference though is that in the U.S. we generally enjoy access to more than one source of information. Granted some of those sources will be wrong, but at least we have the means to decide that for ourselves and somewhere in there the truth often exists.
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That was in reference to your first post about China's statement that business is war. Economically, as long as North Korea remains closed off with respect to information (and trade) it will never have any real impact on world events. On the contrary, in a regional sense they are very much a parasite on their few allies given their status as a beggar nation.
If you look at it from a business standpoint and not a biological view then that may not be such a bad thing. The objective of most businesses is to make people dependent on their goods or services.(which I believe is wrong!) So if a company is having to "ask" for help then that is leverage the company can use to gain an advantage against their competitors.
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One big difference though is that in the U.S. we generally enjoy access to more than one source of information. Granted some of those sources will be wrong, but at least we have the means to decide that for ourselves and somewhere in there the truth often exists.
Well the problem is we have no sources we know we can trust and that includes our own government. We need sources that are strong enough and believe in the truth enough to stand up to the major players. We need more public television. We need more companies that do not believe in stockpiling labor/debt/slavery.

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If you look at it from a business standpoint and not a biological view then that may not be such a bad thing. The objective of most businesses is to make people dependent on their goods or services.(which I believe is wrong!).
That is exactly what socialist governments accomplish, intentionally or not, and is sadly the way ours currently seems to headed.
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That is exactly what socialist governments accomplish, intentionally or not, and is sadly the way ours currently seems to headed.
I hear a lot of people screaming because they want other people to get off their lazy asses and get a job. Maybe those people could use a little bit of socialism. I would like to see some candidates from the communist party run for office just to see what they have to offer. Not saying I am for or against them but all I have heard in the past is anti-communist propaganda.

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Under the communist system the government controls the entire means of production. What government has ever shown itself capable of producing anything better than private industry can? Another big negative under communism is the creation of an elite class made up of government officials. The masses must make do with what the government tells them they will get, while the rulers at the top exempt themselves from the same restrictions. North Korea is once again a good example of this. A communist dictatorship also can not be voted out of office once in power.

Socialism sucks because it removes most work incentives. Why work when you are going to be dispossesed of the fruits of your labor through taxation?
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What was that Glen Beck episode where he talks about we used to have a nazi/communist party here in the US prior to ww2?

It would be intresting if they were atleast up there so people would have something to contrast to. I think alot of people have forgotton about commies in general, they could probably use a refresher.

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There's not many hard-core communist regimes in existence any more because it was such a failed system of governance.
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Under the communist system the government controls the entire means of production. What government has ever shown itself capable of producing anything better than private industry can? Another big negative under communism is the creation of an elite class made up of government officials. The masses must make do with what the government tells them they will get, while the rulers at the top exempt themselves from the same restrictions. North Korea is once again a good example of this. A communist dictatorship also can not be voted out of office once in power.

Socialism sucks because it removes most work incentives. Why work when you are going to be dispossesed of the fruits of your labor through taxation?
just because you elect someone from a communist party into office that doesn't mean you are suddenly a communist government. It means you are a democracy with someone that may have some different ideals in office. They can still get voted out and still have the same limits. But their take on the socialist affairs in our country may or may not help in certain areas like insurance, health care, and the standardization of products to save energy.

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There's not many hard-core communist regimes in existence any more because it was such a failed system of governance.
so instead of looking at why any of them failed, look at what made them so great. What has made China the super power they are today? How did Russia become Americas number one rival in the cold war. It's not because they are stupid.

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so instead of looking at why any of them failed, look at what made them so great. What has made China the super power they are today? How did Russia become Americas number one rival in the cold war. It's not because they are stupid.
China is the superpower they are because of their sheer numbers of population, most of whom are not afraid of hard work. Their government has also embraced elements of capitalism, which makes them no longer counted among the few remaining hard core communist regimes of which I spoke.

The Soviet Union was indeed America's number one rival in the Cold War, but their communist system of government proved incapable of maintaining that status. The economy was what brought down the Soviet Union, an economy that provided but one example of why communism is a failure.
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Yeah and this will go from the land of opportunity, to the land of no opportunities. Under communism, it is decided for you what you will be and where you will work. If that ever happens here, I'm out. I'll have to leave my beloved home behind. Sad.

Also, communism does not tolerate different points of view. You like being able to post up your ideas here? Well if the commies get their way, you'll be arrested for it. Under communism/socialism, there is no petitioning the government. There is no right to protest and there is no free speech. That sound good to you 5.0?

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just because you elect someone from a communist party into office that doesn't mean you are suddenly a communist government. It means you are a democracy with someone that may have some different ideals in office. They can still get voted out and still have the same limits. But their take on the socialist affairs in our country may or may not help in certain areas like insurance, health care, and the standardization of products to save energy.
Not so very long ago, in 2008, U.S. voters elected someone who is a socialist and today we have a socialist government.
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China is the superpower they are because of their sheer numbers of population, most of whom are not afraid of hard work. Their government has also embraced elements of capitalism, which makes them no longer counted among the few remaining hard core communist regimes of which I spoke.

The Soviet Union was indeed America's number one rival in the Cold War, but their communist system of government proved incapable of maintaining that status. The economy was what brought down the Soviet Union, an economy that provided but one example of why communism is a failure.
So their economy failed, wouldnt you say the same thing about Social Security and lots of other government programs like the trillion dollar war on drugs? Yet our only choices are democrat and republican. Thats like Ford saying you can have any color you want as long as it is black. (Just saying that makes me want a model A.)
The fact that China has evolved shows that Communist influence has been beneficial to their current government.
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Yeah and this will go from the land of opportunity, to the land of no opportunities. Under communism, it is decided for you what you will be and where you will work. If that ever happens here, I'm out. I'll have to leave my beloved home behind. Sad.

Also, communism does not tolerate different points of view. You like being able to post up your ideas here? Well if the commies get their way, you'll be arrested for it. Under communism/socialism, there is no petitioning the government. There is no right to protest and there is no free speech. That sound good to you 5.0?
This coming from the same people that scream because people are sitting on their ass not doing nothing and earning a living doing it. The truth is they are doing something, they are working the system. That shows that they can at-least put a stamp on an envelope. Hell give em a bleeping job. Let em pick what they want to do I dont give a bleep as long as they can do a good job. Its not hard to figure out what someone is good at. Hell the company I used to work for wanted my DNA. So why not use that information for the greater good? Hell give me a sample of 20 million people and what they do for a living and I bet I can show you some patterns. Would you like to know what you were born to do?

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Not so very long ago, in 2008, U.S. voters elected someone who is a socialist and today we have a socialist government.
Did you know that we can now define morality?

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You might not need to know the truth so much as have the means to learn the truth. In a closed society such as that which exists in North Korea, the means to learn the truth, much less know the truth, is essentially non-existent. Add to that the threat of physical violence used by their government against their own citizens, and you have an almost insurmountable barrier to ever becoming a real player on the world stage.
So would you rate a government by how much truth they give their people or the peoples quality of life?

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Our world is at war, has been at war, and will always be at war. Its the nature of man to kill or otherwise discriminate against whats in his way.

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Our world is at war, has been at war, and will always be at war. Its the nature of man to kill or otherwise discriminate against whats in his way.

let me ask you this, would you say killing each other has been beneficial to mankind? In other words would man be as far evolved today if they had not fought and killed each other throughout history?

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I personaly think when two separate paths collide it stops one (death) and alters the path of the other. Therefore instead of two different paths you only have one that is uninhibited. So is it not possible that anything killing it's competition is really just eliminating another potential branch of the evelutionary chart?

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The fact that China has evolved shows that Communist influence has been beneficial to their current government.
The 50 million or so individuals in China and Tibet that died as a result of Mao's communist "influence" might beg to differ.
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So would you rate a government by how much truth they give their people or the peoples quality of life?
In the case of Noth Korea, their government completely fails in both respects.
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In the case of Noth Korea, their government completely fails in both respects.
I don't know anything about North Korea so I can't really say. I do know if they can keep information out, they can also keep it in so can you trust any media?

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Well if they are defecting that means they are running from something.

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....LMAO @.... trying to figure out how to make a Utopian society!
In a perfect world the police would get paid to do nothing. So next time you see a cop eatin a donut, Yell.. Hey! Good Job!

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let me ask you this, would you say killing each other has been beneficial to mankind? In other words would man be as far evolved today if they had not fought and killed each other throughout history?
Oh I believe so, yes. Its very beneficial, to the one doing the killing. If you're standing in my way and won't let me get to a $100 bill, and I kill you, then I get the money. That's the logic behind it anyway. Now is it the right thing to do? Of course not.

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This coming from the same people that scream because people are sitting on their ass not doing nothing and earning a living doing it. The truth is they are doing something, they are working the system. That shows that they can at-least put a stamp on an envelope. Hell give em a bleeping job. Let em pick what they want to do I dont give a bleep as long as they can do a good job. Its not hard to figure out what someone is good at. Hell the company I used to work for wanted my DNA. So why not use that information for the greater good? Hell give me a sample of 20 million people and what they do for a living and I bet I can show you some patterns. Would you like to know what you were born to do?
Yeah that's fine. It's always fine, in theory. Real world application however, is always another matter. Why, you might ask? Cause such equations always fail to include one factor, which would show the whole thing to be flawed to the point of being useless. They forget to account for evil. Evil men would take your database containing 20 million DNA samples and use it for their own greedy and petty ends. And the rest of us would all suffer for it.

Such is the fate of communism and socialism. And thats all. There will never be any way it could possibly work, under any circumstance. Cause the people at the top would ruin it, combined with man's natural desire to be free and choose his own way.

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Did you know that we can now define morality?
Yeah, we been able to do that since the first man who ever lived. Not something new...

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Well if they are defecting that means they are running from something.
They're running from the same thing the Mexicans are running from. A shitty life brought on by their piece of shit government.

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Well if they are defecting that means they are running from something.
Exactly. They're running from the failed system of government in their country that imprisons them against their will.
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Exactly. They're running from the failed system of government in their country that imprisons them against their will.
well then I can think of about a quarter million people here in texas that could defect for the same reasons. What does that prove?

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In a perfect world the police would get paid to do nothing. So next time you see a cop eatin a donut, Yell.. Hey! Good Job!

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Difference is those quarter million people you can think of here in Texas that are imprisoned against their will is that they are in that situation because of their own misdeeds. The North Korean wanna-be defector, on the other hand, is imprisoned just for having been born a citizen of that country. But, I certainly wouldn't have any problem with your quarter million prisoners defecting out of this state......lotsa luck though finding any other place that will accept them.
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