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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-05-2010, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
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If you are Muslim you can opt out of the Obamacare health care reform laws with no pe

http://www.examiner.com/x-38904-Phoe...h-no-penalties

Well lets see.
The big unions can opt. out.
If your a member of congress you can opt. out.

AND IF YOUR A FRIKIN MUSLIM you can opt out.

Any one feeling singled out here?



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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-05-2010, 07:24 PM
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lol, if you don't laugh, you cry.

However, this could set legal precedence for opting out of obamacare on moral/religious grounds. If they do it for Muslims, they have to do it for anyone.
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I hope that sack of shit winds up as roadkill. I'm almost to the point of sacrificing ny life for my family's.
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I'm not going to make any threats to all of the assholes responsible for this fucked up law. Instead, I will wait until the shit hits the fan and then make sure it splatters in the right direction.
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post #5 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-05-2010, 07:36 PM
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After actually reading it, it looks like anyone could make up religion or moral beliefs...but you'd have to be against insurance entirely. I wonder if you can pull the same card for vehicle insurance?
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So, this Christian Scientist thing might be worth looking into. Or, can you rig up a nitrous kit on a horse and buggy? Hmmmm

Definitely no durka durka for me though.

Seriously, we need to make our voices heard and flush those smirking, thieving fuckers in DC down the toilet where they belong.
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post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-21-2010, 12:11 AM
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I know this is on the 2nd page but I just wanted to correct some myths in here.

For one, Congress cannot opt out of the plan.

http://factcheck.org/2010/01/congres...m-health-bill/
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Q: Does the health care bill specifically exempt members of Congress and their staffs from its provisions?

A: No. This twisted claim is based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers.

We’ve received many questions about claims that House and Senate members would be exempt from the health care legislation taking shape in Congress. But neither the House nor the Senate bill exempts Congress from its provisions.

Members of Congress are subject to the legislation’s mandate to have insurance, and the plans available to them must meet the same minimum benefit standards that other insurance plans will have to meet. "All plans would have to follow those requirements by 2019," Aaron Albright, press secretary for the House Committee on Education and Labor, told FactCheck.org. "People actually believe we wrote in the bill that Congress exempts itself from these requirements. That falsehood has been going around since the very beginning."

How did the notion of an "exemption" get started? So far as we can find, the first to make the "exempt" claim was columnist John Fund, who used the word in a June Wall Street Journal opinion piece to describe a draft of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee bill. Fund wrote that the proposal "would specifically exempt Members of Congress from many of [the Obama plan's] provisions." But that was a misrepresentation.
Secondly, the thing about Muslims being exempt from it as well is overblown (imo). Even though the guy in the article the OP linked says "Muslims are specifically exempt" there's nothing in the bill mentioning Muslims nor Islam. He's making an assumption and you guys are running with it like its truth.
http://www.aolnews.com/healthcare/ar...myths/19447382
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It exempts Muslims from the requirement to obtain health insurance. Unlikely. FactCheck says the law was designed to exempt Old Order Amish. Rumors that other religious groups, specifically Muslims, would also be exempt are "likely overblown," though it says it is still checking. It noted that the Christian Science Church, which restricts health care use, has said it will not opt out of coverage.

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factcheck.org is the worst possible resource to try get anything true about the current ruling regime. It is a well known fact that they are "in bed" with Obama and his ilk. I would go so far as to say that they are the propaganda arm of his administration.
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...erg-obama.html

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?p=279033

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008...rg-foundation/

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...hecking_th.php

http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibi...ctCheckers.htm

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/News....aspx?id=11574

Just to name a few sources that make clear the ties that exist.
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Way to use the most biased sources possible. I'm not going to attempt to deny a connection, but I'm going to need to see more than "they're in bed with Obama." Factcheck or not, the sources I posted quote the healthcare bill verbatim disproving the myths. If you have a better source than the original text, please do tell.

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Well first off, I just randomly picked from the hundreds (if not thousands) of pages that make the connection between Annenberg/Ayers/Obama/factcheck. I did not cherry pick, I just posted random ones that I found.

Regarding religious exemptions, this is directly from the text of the law (in the first link below)...
"Subtitle F: Shared Responsibility for Health Care - Part I: Individual Responsibility - (Sec. 1501, as modified by section 10106) Requires individuals to maintain minimal essential health care coverage beginning in 2014. Imposes a penalty for failure to maintain such coverage beginning in 2014, except for certain low-income individuals who cannot afford coverage, members of Indian tribes, and individuals who suffer hardship. Exempts from the coverage requirement individuals who object to health care coverage on religious grounds, individuals not lawfully present in the United States, and individuals who are incarcerated."

I did see the quote on factcheck, but oddly (or not), it does not seem to be in either of these versions of the final law:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...590eas.txt.pdf

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@D&summ2=m&

Either way, it doesn't make two shits to me. Those that voted for it blatantly and completely disregarded the will of the majority of the American people.
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I don't get your argument Taylor.

a. Exempts from the coverage requirement individuals who object to health care coverage on religious grounds

b. Some Muslims object to health care coverage on religious grounds

a+b=c

Muslims can be exempt from health care coverage
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I hope that sack of shit winds up as roadkill. I'm almost to the point of sacrificing ny life for my family's.
there are many feeling the same way man.myself included.

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