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Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad — Full video

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And look at all those pansies in the comments. It's war. That kind of shit happens. It was unfortunate that they were mistaken for combatants but hey, you get what you get, when you decide to fling yourself into a war zone. I don't feel sorry for em. Maybe the kids, but not the adults.

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And look at all those pansies in the comments. It's war. That kind of shit happens. It was unfortunate that they were mistaken for combatants but hey, you get what you get, when you decide to fling yourself into a war zone. I don't feel sorry for em. Maybe the kids, but not the adults.
This is what this is all about, the truth being known and the lies exposed. Our government did not want this released showing the killing of INNOCENT people.
All this is about is surpressing the truth, just like with the cps shit.
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How Americans Are Propagandized About Afghanistan
by Glenn Greenwald

On February 12 of this year, U.S. forces entered a village in the Paktia Province in Afghanistan and, after surrounding a home where a celebration of a new birth was taking place, shot dead two male civilians (government officials) who exited the house in order to inquire why they had been surrounded. The Pentagon then issued a statement claiming that (a) the dead were all "insurgents" or terrorists, (b) the bodies of three women had been found bound and gagged inside the home (including two pregnant women, one a mother of 10 children and the other a mother of six children, and a teenage girl), and (c) suggested that the women had already been killed by the time the U.S. had arrived, likely the victim of "honor killings" by the Taliban militants killed in the attack.

Although numerous witnesses on the scene as well as local investigators vehemently disputed the Pentagon's version, and insisted that all of the dead (including the women) were civilians and were killed by U.S. forces, the American media largely adopted the Pentagon's version, often without any questions. But enough evidence has now emerged disproving those claims such that the Pentagon was forced yesterday to admit that their original version was totally false and that it was U.S. troops who killed the women:

After initially denying involvement or any cover-up in the deaths of three Afghan women during a badly bungled American Special Operations assault in February, the American-led military command in Kabul admitted late on Sunday that its forces had, in fact, killed the women during the nighttime raid.

One NATO official said that there was likely an effort to cover-up what happened by U.S. troops via evidence tampering on the scene (though other NATO officials deny this claim). The Times of London actually reported yesterday that, at least according to Afghan investigators, "US special forces soldiers dug bullets out of their victims' bodies in the bloody aftermath of a botched night raid, then washed the wounds with alcohol before lying to their superiors about what happened."

What is clear -- yet again -- is how completely misinformed and propagandized Americans continue to be by the American media, which constantly "reports" on crucial events in Afghanistan by doing nothing more than mindlessly and unquestioningly passing along U.S. government claims as though they are fact. Here, for instance, is how the Paktia incident was "reported" by CNN on February 12:


Note how the headline states as fact that the women were dead as the result of an "honor killing." The entire CNN article does nothing but repeat what an "unnamed senior military official said" about the incident, and it even helpfully explained:

An honor killing is a murder carried out by a family or community member against someone thought to have brought dishonor onto them.

The U.S. official said it isn't clear whether the dishonor in this case stemmed from accusations of acts such as adultery or even cooperating with NATO forces.

"It has the earmarks of a traditional honor killing," said the official, who added the Taliban could be responsible. . .

The operation unfolded when Afghan and international forces went to the compound, which was thought to be a site of militant activity. A firefight ensued and several insurgents died, several people left the compound, and eight others were detained.

Similarly, The New York Times, while noting that there were "varying accounts of what happened" among U.S. forces and Afghan police, also passed along the Pentagon's false version of events with no questioning. Here's the NYT's February 12 article in its entirety:

Several civilians were killed in Paktia Province on Friday when a joint Afghan-NATO force went to investigate a report of militant activity, but NATO and the Afghan police gave varying accounts of what happened. A NATO statement said the joint force went to a compound in the village of Khatabeh, in the Gardez district, where insurgents opened fire on them from a residential compound. Several insurgents were killed and a large number of men, women and children fled and were detained by the NATO force. Inside the compound, soldiers "found the bodies of three women who had been tied up, gagged and killed," the NATO statement said. The Paktia Province police chief, Aziz Ahmad Wardak, confirmed the episode but said the dead in the house were two men and three women, who he said were killed by Taliban militants. He said the killings took place while the residents were celebrating the birth of a baby.

CNN conveyed its version of events without the slightest contradiction or doubt, and the NYT simply ignored entirely the claims of the residents of the village -- notwithstanding the fact that serious conflicts about what actually took place were known from the very beginning. Consider, for instance, this February 12 article by Amir Shah of the Associated Press, who actually bothered to pick up a phone to determine if the Pentagon's claims were true before "reporting" them as fact; this is what Shah found:

However, relatives of the dead accused American forces of being responsible for the deaths of all five people when contacted by The Associated Press by phone.

A man who identified himself as Hamidullah said he had been in the home as some 20 people gathered to celebrate the birth of a son when a group of men he described as "U.S. special forces" surrounded the compound.

When one man came out into the courtyard to ask why, Hamidullah said he watched U.S. forces gun him down.

"Daoud was coming out of the house to ask what was going on. And then they shot him," he said.

Then they killed a second man, Hamidullah said. The rest of the group were forced out into the yard, made to kneel and had their hands bound behind their back, he said, breaking off crying without giving any further details.

A deputy provincial council member in Gardez, Shahyesta Jan Ahadi, said news of the operation has inflamed the local community that believes the Americans were responsible for the deaths.

"Last night, the Americans conducted an operation in a house and killed five innocent people, including three women. The people are so angry," he said.

The Pentagon's version of events was vehemently disputed from the start. But there was not a hint of any of that in the CNN or NYT "reporting," which simply adopted the press release claims of NATO forces. That Press Release, false from start to finish, claimed that "a combined force of Afghan and international troops last night found the bound and gagged bodies of two women and the bodies of two men during an operation in the province's Gardez district," and "members of the combined force found the bodies inside." Ironically, the Pentagon Press Release ended this way: "'ISAF continually works with our Afghan partners to fight criminals and terrorists who do not care about the life of civilians,' ISAF spokesman Canadian army Brig. Gen. Eric Tremblay said." On March 16 -- more than a month later -- the NYT ran a story detailing the gruesome claims of residents about what really happened; click that link for the horrific details and to get a sense for how false were the Pentagon and U.S. media's original claims about what took place.

Contrast the pure propaganda dissemination of the American media with the immediate reporting of the Pajhwok Afghan News, an independent news agency created in Afghanistan to enable war reporting by Afghans. Here is how they reported the Pakita incident from the beginning, on Febraury 12 (via NEXIS):

US Special Forces have shot dead a district intelligence chief along with four family members in the volatile southeastern province of Paktia, a senior police officer claimed on Friday. Brig. Gen. Ghulam Dastagir Rustamyar explained that Daud and his family were celebrating the birth of his son. But acting on a misleading tip-off, foreign troops raided the intelligence official's residence. . . . He said the dead included Daud, his brother Zahir, an employee of the attorney's office, and three women. . . .

But the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) claimed Afghan and international forces found the bound and gagged bodies of three women during the operation in Gardez late Thursday night. "The joint force went to a compound near the village of Khatabeh, after intelligence confirmed militant activity. Several insurgents engaged the joint force in a firefight and were killed," the ISAF press office in Kabul said.

As a result of the raid, the multinational force added, a large number of men, women, and children exited the compound. They were detained by the joint force.

When the troops entered the compound, according to the press release, they conducted a thorough search and found the bodies of three women who had been tied up, gagged and killed. "The bodies had been hidden in an adjacent room."

Note the crucial difference: the Afghan news service shaped its report based on the statements of actual witnesses on the ground and local investigators, while also including the Pentagon's version of events. Put another way, anyone reading about what happened from American news outlets would be completely misled and propagandized, while anyone reading the Pajhowk Afghan News would have been informed, because they treated official claims with skepticism rather than uncritical reverence.

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All of this is a chronic problem, not an isolated one, with war reporting generally and events in Afghanistan specifically. Just consider what happened when the U.S. military was forced in 2008 to retract its claims about a brutal air raid in Azizabad. The Pentagon had vehemently denied the villagers' claim that close to 100 civilians had been killed and that no Taliban were in the vicinity: until a video emerged proving the villagers' claims were true and the Pentagon's false. Last week, TPM highlighted a recent, entirely overlooked statement from Gen. McChrystal, where he admitted, regarding U.S. killings of Afghans at check points: "to my knowledge, in the nine-plus months I've been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it. . . . We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force." And as I documented before, the U.S. media constantly repeats false Pentagon claims about American air attacks around the world in order to create the false impression that Key Terrorists were killed while no civilians were.

At the Nieman Watchdog Foundation, Jeremy Starkey, the Afghanistan war reporter for The Times of London, has a crucial, must-read piece on all of this. Amazingly, his piece was written three weeks ago, and recounted in detail: (a) how clearly the U.S.-led forces had lied about what happened in Paktia; and (b) the reasons why the U.S. media continuously spews false government propaganda about the war. Starkey wrote under this headline:


In this mid-March piece, Starkey explained how he had discovered that NATO's claims about the Haktia incident were false (he recounted his evidence in gruesome detail in the Times on March 13), and more importantly, highlighted why the U.S. media so frequently disseminates false NATO claims with no questioning:

The only way I found out NATO had lied -- deliberately or otherwise -- was because I went to the scene of the raid, in Paktia province, and spent three days interviewing the survivors. In Afghanistan that is quite unusual.

NATO is rarely called to account. Their version of events, usually originating from the soldiers involved, is rarely seriously challenged. . . .

It's not the first time I've found NATO lying, but this is perhaps the most harrowing instance, and every time I go through the same gamut of emotions. I am shocked and appalled that brave men in uniform misrepresent events. Then I feel naïve.

There are a handful of truly fearless reporters in Afghanistan constantly trying to break the military's monopoly on access to the front. But far too many of our colleagues accept the spin-laden press releases churned out of the Kabul headquarters. Suicide bombers are "cowards," NATO attacks on civilians are "tragic accidents," intelligence is foolproof and only militants get arrested.

Starkey describes the some of the understandable reasons so many reporters do nothing more than regurgitate officials claims: resource constraints, organizations limits, dangers of traveling around, and the "embed culture." But he also recounts how NATO tries to intimidate, censor and punish any reporters like him who report adversely on official claims. Illustratively, in response to Starkey's March 13 article detailing what really happened at Paktia and the cover-up that ensued, NATO issued a formal statement naming him and insisting that this article was "categorically false." As recently as mid-March, NATO was still claiming -- falsely -- that the women in Paktia were killed prior to the arrival of American troops.

There are some very courageous and intrepid reporters in Afghanistan, including some who work for American media outlets. It was, for instance, a superb and brave investigative report by the NYT's Carlotta Gall in Afghanistan that uncovered what really happened in that air attack Azizabad and documented the Pentagon's false claims. But far more often, Americans are completely misled about events in Afghanistan by the combination of false official claims and mindless stenographic American "journalism." And no matter how many times this process is exposed -- from Jessica Lynch's heroic firefight to Pat Tillman's death by Al Qeada -- this propaganda process never diminishes at all.

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What the fuck did those guys in the Apache do wrong.? Guys looked to have weapons and they were cleared to shoot after asking. It is a fucking war.

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Looked legit to me and my hubby who has 3 combat tours under his belt over there. Armed men walking down the street, one of them appeared to engage the helicopter from this video. So there were reporters who seemed to be "embedded" with the insurgents. No way for the helicopters to know those were cameras and not weapons. Yes they engaged 1 wounded guy when he grabbed his weapon (bringing himself back into the fight). They did not engage the other wounded one, they just observed him to make sure he did not become a combatant again. A van pulls up and starts loading up the wounded, they were justified in destroying that vehicle as well.

I don't get it. Instead of the criticism we should give these pilots an award and thank them for the job that they do.

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What the fuck did those guys in the Apache do wrong.? Guys looked to have weapons and they were cleared to shoot after asking. It is a fucking war.
It's the fact after this incident happened our Government lied and then tried to cover it up. If you killed innocent people just fucking admit it. The soldiers followed orders I understand that, but we never are told the truth until someone exposes something, and then it's ok that we were lied to and all is forgiven. I understand people die in war even innocent people. That doesn't mean the Government should constantly lie to us about stuff like this which inevitability leads to more lying to us. When there's no outrage by the public for being deceived the government will just continue to lie. It's about the lies being told, not about the orders being followed by soldiers. The soldiers just did what they were told.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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It's the fact after this incident happened our Government lied and then tried to cover it up. If you killed innocent people just fucking admit it. The soldiers followed orders I understand that, but we never are told the truth until someone exposes something, and then it's ok that we were lied to and all is forgiven. I understand people die in war even innocent people. That doesn't mean the Government should constantly lie to us about stuff like this which inevitability leads to more lying to us. When there's no outrage by the public for being deceived the government will just continue to lie. It's about the lies being told, not about the orders being followed by soldiers. The soldiers just did what they were told.
Maybe if our civilian populace had some intestinal fortitude, we could admit to this. But the American people would rather see 1000 soldiers dead than 1 civilian, simply because the soldiers signed up for it. Bullshit, I'd rather be a little looser on the trigger and fire that second earlier and bring all my men home.

God knows these men would be under trial if it they and their chain of command had admitted to it, for having a mentality that keeps you alive.
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Maybe if our civilian populace had some intestinal fortitude, we could admit to this. But the American people would rather see 1000 soldiers dead than 1 civilian, simply because the soldiers signed up for it. Bullshit, I'd rather be a little looser on the trigger and fire that second earlier and bring all my men home.

God knows these men would be under trial if it they and their chain of command had admitted to it, for having a mentality that keeps you alive.
I believe we're entitled to the truth. If my family members and yours are risking their butt fighting this war and my tax money funds this stuff, then we deserve to know the truth. I don't believe the truth has ever been given a fair chance to the people by the government, and it's been that way for a long time.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Alright, taxpayer...here's the truth:

The truth is war is hell and the craziest motherfucking shit you could ever imagine happens in war. Good/Bad/Innocent/Guilty people are killed during war.

This is why war is called war and not happy motherfucking fun time.

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I believe we're entitled to the truth. If my family members and yours are risking their butt fighting this war and my tax money funds this stuff, then we deserve to know the truth. I don't believe the truth has ever been given a fair chance to the people by the government, and it's been that way for a long time.
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

The truth is, war was better when the people back home had know way of knowing how bad it gets. That way, they don't tie our (the soldier's) hands behind their backs when trying to fight an enemy. We don't get soldiers being tried and convicted for war crimes that, in reality, are an unavoidable part of war.

The truth is, we do it for a living and make grim compromises in order to keep the guy to our left and right alive. It sucks, yes, but mistakes happen and the civilian populace just can't understand it because they don't live it like the soldiers do. They don't want to understand it, yet want to bring them back to the states, in a different culture, a different environment and to try them by different standards.

Unless every civilian wants to take an exposure course in the hell of war, they should keep distant from it and let the professionals do what they are trained to do.

You know why we've floundered in prolonged conflicts ever since Vietnam? Because the American civilian populace is not near as strong, mentally or physically, as our true, volunteer soldiers and simply can't stomach what it takes for a prolonged conflict. Not to mention if we had a media worth a damn that would sing the victories of the US Military as loud as it screams the failures and casualties.
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Alright, taxpayer...here's the truth:

The truth is war is hell and the craziest motherfucking shit you could ever imagine happens in war. Good/Bad/Innocent/Guilty people are killed during war.

This is why war is called war and not happy motherfucking fun time.
Thats still no reason to lie to the people who fund it and die for it.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

The truth is, war was better when the people back home had know way of knowing how bad it gets. That way, they don't tie our (the soldier's) hands behind their backs when trying to fight an enemy. We don't get soldiers being tried and convicted for war crimes that, in reality, are an unavoidable part of war.

The truth is, we do it for a living and make grim compromises in order to keep the guy to our left and right alive. It sucks, yes, but mistakes happen and the civilian populace just can't understand it because they don't live it like the soldiers do. They don't want to understand it, yet want to bring them back to the states, in a different culture, a different environment and to try them by different standards.

Unless every civilian wants to take an exposure course in the hell of war, they should keep distant from it and let the professionals do what they are trained to do.

You know why we've floundered in prolonged conflicts ever since Vietnam? Because the American civilian populace is not near as strong, mentally or physically, as our true, volunteer soldiers and simply can't stomach what it takes for a prolonged conflict. Not to mention if we had a media worth a damn that would sing the victories of the US Military as loud as it screams the failures and casualties.
+1

Get the media out of conflicts and let the troops do their jobs. Iraq and Afganastan would have been over years ago and NOBODY would think about messing with the US for a long long time. Thank God the media was not this powerful during WWII or we would all be speaking German.

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Thats still no reason to lie to the people who fund it and die for it.
Of course the government did not want this released. No government would. Honestly nobody here needs to know that sometimes this sort of thing happens unfortunately. IT IS CALLED WAR. By the way this was a clean operation. You should just get off of Michael Moore's jock and wake up. You know why we are hated around the world, it is because of what people are taught growing up. These people are taught Americans are bad (in your case I agree) Just like when most of the people on this board were growing up, we were all taught that Russia/Warsaw Pact was bad. Instead of complaining about every fucking thing that your country has to offer and provides to you why can't you just thank the men and women who risk their lives to continue to provide thankless people like you things you do not deserve. Please stop spewing your anti US bullshit and leave at the earliest possibility or start supporting those that provide you with your right to bitch and complain about the way they provide it.


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Get the media out of conflicts and let the troops do their jobs. Iraq and Afganastan would have been over years ago and NOBODY would think about messing with the US for a long long time. Thank God the media was not this powerful during WWII or we would all be speaking German.
100% correct! Heaven forbid American soldiers shot Nazi soldiers who were surrendering during WWII...but hey, when youre in the middle of Germany in the winter and you barely have enough supplies for you and your men....well, guess who gots ta go....

its neither our government nor our soldiers fault that we're in the middle of a guerilla war. we are not fighting a country...we are fighting a belief...and those people are, just like the people of this country who fought a revolutionary war against the British, are just common folk with weapons. They blend in with the populace...they use churches and women and children as human shields. this is what our Marines and soldiers face over there. It kind of puts our military in a sticky situation. However, my sister spent 18 months in Iraq in 2003 and now shes there again...and if she has to shoot 30 civilians to be able to come home to my niece and nephew then so be it.

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I watched the whole video start to finish.

MR TINFOIL HAT, can you not see what the soldiers see in the video?

I understand that you have such an extreame hatred for our government, does that include all governments? You take this video as supreme truth, but from whos perspective? You cant see that the grainy figures are kids. If you could, they would not have been fired on. You cant tell me that the "media" was actually carring a camera in that film. I will agree that you cant see that it ISNT a camera, but in a fucking war zone, I would be VERY carefull whom I was around and making myself a suspisious figure. THERE WERE CLEARLY guns in the hands of people in the group, and they were in a war zone.

I feel bad that the kids were injured, but they are/were a society that would sacrifice a child for thier cause. But I bet you think the reports of them sending kids rigged with pipe bombs up to troups was made up by the evil military and government too.

It is easy to find shit on the net to work whatever side you want. I dont like the billshit that is going on right now, but I am not going to condemn everything as a lie or bad, that would make me look like a dumbass...

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Of course the government did not want this released. No government would. Honestly nobody here needs to know that sometimes this sort of thing happens unfortunately. IT IS CALLED WAR. By the way this was a clean operation. You should just get off of Michael Moore's jock and wake up. You know why we are hated around the world, it is because of what people are taught growing up. These people are taught Americans are bad (in your case I agree) Just like when most of the people on this board were growing up, we were all taught that Russia/Warsaw Pact was bad. Instead of complaining about every fucking thing that your country has to offer and provides to you why can't you just thank the men and women who risk their lives to continue to provide thankless people like you things you do not deserve. Please stop spewing your anti US bullshit and leave at the earliest possibility or start supporting those that provide you with your right to bitch and complain about the way they provide it.
No one here needs to see these things happen? People need to hear these things do happen, it's called reality. I stated I understand what war is earlier if you bothered to read that, so don't try and give me your bullshit. I can't fucking stand Micheal Moore so I don't know where you get that bs from? Please don't bother trying to explain to me why we are hated around the world because you obviously have no clue. I have Family in this war so don't insult me by telling me to thank service women and men because I do routinely. I'm not anti US. I'm against people in our government with interests that aren't of the people of America. The truth needs to be told to everyone regardless of how bad it is. People need to know who they're dealing with when these people want so much intervention in our lives and want to control every aspect of it. They're fucking liars and I will never stop telling people, if you don't like it don't fucking read my posts.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.

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I watched the whole video start to finish.

MR TINFOIL HAT, can you not see what the soldiers see in the video?

I understand that you have such an extreame hatred for our government, does that include all governments? You take this video as supreme truth, but from whos perspective? You cant see that the grainy figures are kids. If you could, they would not have been fired on. You cant tell me that the "media" was actually carring a camera in that film. I will agree that you cant see that it ISNT a camera, but in a fucking war zone, I would be VERY carefull whom I was around and making myself a suspisious figure. THERE WERE CLEARLY guns in the hands of people in the group, and they were in a war zone.

I feel bad that the kids were injured, but they are/were a society that would sacrifice a child for thier cause. But I bet you think the reports of them sending kids rigged with pipe bombs up to troups was made up by the evil military and government too.

It is easy to find shit on the net to work whatever side you want. I dont like the billshit that is going on right now, but I am not going to condemn everything as a lie or bad, that would make me look like a dumbass...
I'm not against the soldiers. The Government lied and got caught again is the bottom line.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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I love how everything we do is tracked, traced, and data based all the time, but we aren't allowed to know what our government is doing? That's absolutely ridiculous.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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attack #1 was good.

attck #2 should not have happened by airships.soldiers on the ground should have delt with the people picking up the injured/dead.

however the goverment shouldn't lie about it.it is what it is.

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same principle as this i think


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The only reason I knew it was a camera is because the put text into the video labeling it a camera. Looked like he was aiming a fucking rpg at the damn Apache.

Its war people that have to micro manage it end up dead.

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I like the part where the innocent people get killed trying to save an innocent person.

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looked like a rpg to me too.fool trying to creep around the corner of the building like that.

i guess he hadn't heard...

we don't play that shit.

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During a Monday appearance on MSNBC’s Dylan Ratigan Show, a retired intelligence officer claimed that U.S. forces violated the military’s Rules of Engagement in events depicted by a video released by whistleblower site WikiLeaks, which allegedly shows the murder of civilians and journalists in New Baghdad, Iraq.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ret-inte...-shooting.html

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That site is full of nothing but nut cases....
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That site exposes our government showing it is full of nothing but nut cases....
Fixed.

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You sir are a douchebag, you know the weirdo on dukes of hazzard? I saw that movie the other day and the first thing I thought of was your username.
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War should be bloody and terrible. Anytime someone thinks about war with the US, it should send a shiver down their spine and shrivel their balls. In war, you make split second decisions that you believe to be best, and sometimes you don't even have the time to make that thought, it's training that kicks in. Someone points something at you, the animal part of your brain registers "Threat." and you fire.

I killed men, women and children, and every one of them had firearms shooting at me. It's easy to sit in your chair and criticize what we do there, but don't. Not unless you've been in a city where everyone's trying to kill you, where children walk up to you asking for candy only to detonate a grenade their PARENT put on them.

War should be hell. We should refuse any news agency that wants to cover it men to protect them. Our guys do not need to worry about how civilians see us, and just focus on the mission and coming home.

Did you know ROE put in by Obama says that if you're fired on by a building, you cannot engage? You have to retreat. When Bush was in office, we leveled that bitch.
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You sir are a douchebag, you know the weirdo on dukes of hazzard? I saw that movie the other day and the first thing I thought of was your username.
All you can do is name call and ridicule. It's funny how that always happens when you can't dispute the truth. You really should come up with some new material because that's just childish. Your lack of ability to even hold a conversation without sinking to third grade name calling is typical for someone who can't accept the truth.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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All you can do is name call and ridicule. It's funny how that always happens when you can't dispute the truth. You really should come up with some new material because that's just childish. Your lack of ability to even hold a conversation without sinking to third grade name calling is typical for someone who can't accept the truth.
And what is "the truth"?

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And what is "the truth"?
The Government lied and tried to cover it up. I said this several times in this thread. That's all this is about. Plain and simple just tell the fucking truth. The American people deserve to know it IMO.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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The American people deserve to know it IMO.
Good thing your opinion doesn't matter.

Seems like your opinion is outweighed by other people more important than you.
That may be due to a fucking gutless populace that wouldn't have the courage to get the job done unless they had to witness their family murdered in front of them by the fucks who made us decide that area is a warzone.

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Good thing your opinion doesn't matter.

Seems like your opinion is outweighed by other people more important than you.
That may be due to a fucking gutless populace that wouldn't have the courage to get the job done unless they had to witness their family murdered in front of them by the fucks who made us decide that area is a warzone.
I never said my .02 does matter, but that doesn't mean I won't exercise my right to speak it. If wanting to know the truth and tell others we're being lied to makes me a bad person, then I'm a bad person.

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The Government lied and tried to cover it up. I said this several times in this thread. That's all this is about. Plain and simple just tell the fucking truth. The American people deserve to know it IMO.
Part of the reason they lie about this stuff is, that there are so many idiots out there who will cry rivers of tears for these wastes of flesh. They will cry so hard and so loud, that the government can't get the job done, that needs to be done. Now granted, there is a lot that they lie about, that they shouldn't. I'm just talking about the war stuff. I'm sorry but if you are a reporter, and you go to a war zone, and you get death because of it, then you deserved that death. You knew the risk, and went anyway. Not to mention that if you're that stupid then you don't deserve life anyway.

There is some things the government needs to keep secret, and some things it doesn't. I personally don't want our enemies knowing our strengths and weaknesses, so if they don't tell me what secret spy shit they are developing in area 51, I don't care.

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You just lost all credibility with that opening statement.

Fuck MSNBC and everything the try and shove down our throats.

Talk about lies... There's your epitome right there!

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I killed men, women and children, and every one of them had firearms shooting at me. It's easy to sit in your chair and criticize what we do there, but don't. Not unless you've been in a city where everyone's trying to kill you, where children walk up to you asking for candy only to detonate a grenade their PARENT put on them.

War should be hell. We should refuse any news agency that wants to cover it men to protect them. Our guys do not need to worry about how civilians see us, and just focus on the mission and coming home.
EXACTLY. And you know what? As Americans we should celebrate that this soldier was able to defend himself and his fellow soldiers to not accomplish their mission, but to return here and to their families. I WANT somebody like forever_frost on a patrol next to my sister because i know he can and will open fire on whatever threat comes his way...woman, kid...it matters not because he will defend not only himself, but his fellow soldiers. He is a true American.

Whats sad is that kind of truth should be shown on TV and news reports...kids shooting and/or attempting to blow up our soldiers (my sister had a kid try to blow her up because she wouldnt give him candy). When they show our soldiers and Marines laying waste to a bunch of insurgents we, as a nation, should feel a sense of pride,

Unfortunately we, as a country have been neutered by the liberal media and democrats and their attempts to brainwash into thinking that our soldiers, sailors and marines are the bad guys for killing the bad guys.

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War should be hell.
It definitely should be hell, in order to discourage it taking place.

Fact is, this is an accident at best, split second decisions get made. Governments deny things until they investigate. Some people can't seem to get over it.

If you want a humanitarian cause to cry about there are much better ones than some Apaches blowing up some civilians by accident in Iraq. If you want a government to cirticize there are plenty of others that don't even try to hide what they do. Go criticize them.

I am of the opinion that our military does the best job it can with what the shit it is given. Shit like the ROE described above. What a fucking joke that is.
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You just lost all credibility with that opening statement.

Fuck MSNBC and everything the try and shove down our throats.

Talk about lies... There's your epitome right there!

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I hate msnbc too, but they were the only one with a discussion involving this incident I could find with Military personnel in the conversation.

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I can tell you the nightmares from my decision to pull that trigger wakes me up every night screaming. But you know what? I wake up. The soldiers I provided cover fire for woke up the next morning. Some didn't make it, but it wasn't because we weren't fighting with every ounce of our training and skill and to the very extent our weapons could be used. Ever see a SAW being used as a bat? It's not easy but when you run out of ammo, things happen.

I took a bullet between the eyes because instead of hiding like a liberal, I was standing on top of a humvee shooting at enemies that were trying to kill us. I also got hit by not 1, but 2 RPG's being medivaced, took 3 in the chest plate and died at some point because of blood loss and the medics accidently overdosing me on morphine. We fight and if someone in the safety and the security of their home or office wants to criticize them, you know what? I shed blood so you can. My brothers died so you can. However that doesn't mean if you criticize us in front of me I won't feed you your teeth. One by one.
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I can tell you the nightmares from my decision to pull that trigger wakes me up every night screaming. But you know what? I wake up. The soldiers I provided cover fire for woke up the next morning. Some didn't make it, but it wasn't because we weren't fighting with every ounce of our training and skill and to the very extent our weapons could be used. Ever see a SAW being used as a bat? It's not easy but when you run out of ammo, things happen.

I took a bullet between the eyes because instead of hiding like a liberal, I was standing on top of a humvee shooting at enemies that were trying to kill us. I also got hit by not 1, but 2 RPG's being medivaced, took 3 in the chest plate and died at some point because of blood loss and the medics accidently overdosing me on morphine. We fight and if someone in the safety and the security of their home or office wants to criticize them, you know what? I shed blood so you can. My brothers died so you can. However that doesn't mean if you criticize us in front of me I won't feed you your teeth. One by one.
Amen, and thank you.

I know the husband has had a lot of stuff go down with him over there. He has told me something about a 15 year old kid that he beat so bad with his rifle, that kid ended up having his arm amputated. He has told me of a few firefights he was in, stories about a 20 year old American kid that died in his arms from a neck wound. He still sometimes wakes up in the middle of the night and just goes outside to clear his head. I know he has many stories he wont talk about with me and I honestly would never ask. He has been trough hell and back and I am grateful. He has told me he was in a city of 400,000 and they only had 300 American troops there.

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This is what this is all about, the truth being known and the lies exposed. Our government did not want this released showing the killing of INNOCENT people.
All this is about is surpressing the truth, just like with the cps shit.
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