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People who later admitted to being "not at all religious," and who classified themselves as "very liberal" politically had higher IQ scores as teenagers than those who were "very religious" and "very conservative."
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I wonder if they will soon make the conclusion that because one ethnic group scores higher on an IQ test than another ethnic group, the ethic group is more highly evolved than another ethnic group.
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I wonder if they will soon make the conclusion that because one ethnic group scores higher on an IQ test than another ethnic group, the ethic group is more highly evolved than another ethnic group.
I thought it was a given whites where superior?

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I thought it was a given whites where superior?
Only Scandinavian and Gothic Europeans are the superior race.
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Actually I always thought they were dumber. They seem to lack a very basic understanding of the nature of human beings, combined with little to no knowledge of the way the world works. Take the stupid liberal that came up with the theory. Kwanza or whatever his name was. He thinks, (according to the article) that conservatives "just don't care about their fellow man" or however he put it. It's kinda funny how every time a liberal opens his mouth, he proves how ignorant he is.

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Look at the age group they studied. Teenagers.

My question is how many of those "liberals" become moderate or conservative as they get older and learn a thing or two about how the real world works..

IMO younger and intelligent people are more open to trying new things and questioning convention. Age and experience temper this as you get older.

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Hitler had a really high IQ.
Any facts to prove this? I've heard people spout this off but then have seen some documentaries attempting to disprove this theory as well. Wasn't it also known the guy couldn't even get into art school and failed in applying 2 or 3 times?
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Any facts to prove this? I've heard people spout this off but then have seen some documentaries attempting to disprove this theory as well. Wasn't it also known the guy couldn't even get into art school and failed in applying 2 or 3 times?
He was never tested.

Edit: For his IQ.

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He was never tested.

Edit: For his IQ.
I know this, but those claiming he was brilliant have no facts to back up why he was so brilliant. Yes he was a charasmatic speaker but what made him so "smarterer" than everyone else?
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I know this, but those claiming he was brilliant have no facts to back up why he was so brilliant. Yes he was a charasmatic speaker but what made him so "smarterer" than everyone else?
He knew what he needed to say to the people and how to deliver it. I'm not sure about how he'd score on an IQ test, but he did possess all of the traits that someone with a high IQ has. The knowledge of reasoning and figuring.
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He knew what he needed to say to the people and how to deliver it. I'm not sure about how he'd score on an IQ test, but he did possess all of the traits that someone with a high IQ has. The knowledge of reasoning and figuring.
I might have to disagree with you on this one. Actors know these traits as well and some of them aren't that bright. Obama has these skills too, but I'm not sure of his intellect. He could be a genius, I just don't know.
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Hitler's IQ has been "estimated" as being 141. There are several references to it on the web.

Of course, Hitler was a socialist.

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I know this, but those claiming he was brilliant have no facts to back up why he was so brilliant. Yes he was a charasmatic speaker but what made him so "smarterer" than everyone else?
His track record reflects a fair amount of brilliance to me.

The dude was born in Austria to a customs official, and through his exploits came to rule the German states. If he would have died in 1938 he would have gone down as one of the greatest men who ever lived. Probably on par with Otto Von Bismarck at least.

People place a ton of emphasis on Hitler during WWII (rightfully so), but he did a number of incredible things for pre-war Germany, and was without a doubt a smart man.
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I might have to disagree with you on this one. Actors know these traits as well and some of them aren't that bright. Obama has these skills too, but I'm not sure of his intellect. He could be a genius, I just don't know.
Obama is a smart guy. You don't get into Columbia, and then Harvard law (less that a 2% acceptance rate) by being a dumbass.
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Obama is a smart guy. You don't get into Columbia, and then Harvard law (less that a 2% acceptance rate) by being a dumbass.
No offense but I'm sure his blackness had something to do with that.
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I would like to see someone with an average IQ accomplish the things that Hitler did...military strategy and analysis is not an easy concept. The man was brilliant...maybe too much so.
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Hitler's IQ has been "estimated" as being 141. There are several references to it on the web.

Of course, Hitler was a socialist.
And my "estimated" income from when I hit social security is still supposed to be there when I get to that age...I don't care about estimates.

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I would like to see someone with an average IQ accomplish the things that Hitler did...military strategy and analysis is not an easy concept. The man was brilliant...maybe too much so.
Did you actually do the direct strategy or did he surround himself with excellent strategists/people to make these decisions. I'm not saying he's not smart but I don't know about brilliance is all. You cannot control 100% of what's going around you have to surround yourself with competent people.

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Hitler thought himself to be a pretty smart guy and a good artist. But he flunked out of school. And then he was denied entrance to art school. After wandering around jobless in Vienna and watching his mother die, he got the idea in his head that a Jewish conpiracy was responsible for his joblessness, his denials for entry into art school, and even the death of his mother. In his head, the Jews were responsible for all the misery in his life.

After he took power, he began bullying the people he resented most - Jewish artists, Jewish doctors, and Jewish scientists. Most of them were able to evacuate Nazi-held territory, but the poor Jewish people in Europe suffered his wrath.

He was an intelligent man, but high intelligence usually comes with mental baggage, including social ineptitude and intellectual arrogance.
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I might have to disagree with you on this one. Actors know these traits as well and some of them aren't that bright. Obama has these skills too, but I'm not sure of his intellect. He could be a genius, I just don't know.
Actually, actors and politicians usually score pretty high. LOL
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Obama is a smart guy. You don't get into Columbia, and then Harvard law (less that a 2% acceptance rate) by being a dumbass.
Yea, I'll have to agree with this.

I think Obama's problem (besides being a very left leaning liberal) is that his is way too analytical. He simply isn't much of a leader, even for the Democrats.

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He knew what he needed to say to the people and how to deliver it. I'm not sure about how he'd score on an IQ test, but he did possess all of the traits that someone with a high IQ has. The knowledge of reasoning and figuring.
Hitler was an incredible performer. He went so far as to control everything about his speeches when he had the opportunity, EVERY major speech he ever gave was rehearsed down to the smallest detail.
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Hitler was an incredible performer. He went so far as to control everything about his speeches when he had the opportunity, EVERY major speech he ever gave was rehearsed down to the smallest detail.
I find this easily believeable.
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I wonder if he would have used teleprompters, had they been available in the '30s.
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I would like to see someone with an average IQ accomplish the things that Hitler did...military strategy and analysis is not an easy concept. The man was brilliant...maybe too much so.
Hitlers military ability should be likened to a drunk guy with a blindfold throwing darts. He'd get lucky and listen to his Generals now and again, but most of his ACTUAL decisions were incredibly retarded when it came to the army.
Hitler for instance had no respect for the Russians, especially after seeing how well the Fins did in their resistance in the 30's. Combine that with his constant bailing out of Italy and his General's over confidence and infighting during the war and Germanies military looks fairly inept in the grand scheme of things. By 42 the war was already turning against him.
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I wonder if he would have used teleprompters, had they been available in the '30s.
He wouldn't need them, he practiced his speeches for HOURS. He even practiced all those emphatic hand movements in the mirror for hours before a speech. He timed and wrote his speeches similar to a very tense piece of music. He'd often make the crowd wait 30 to 40 minutes before even taking the podium, then another 20 minutes be speaking to build tension. (keep in mind all the fanfare he brought along with his speeches: parades, military exhibitions, etc.) He'd also speak very diminutively and eventually build up to his rabble rousing that he's known for like a crescendo. Hitler's speaking ability was more like an evangelist than a politician, there's shitload of documents from the era that describe his speeches with an almost religious fervor.
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I would like to see someone with an average IQ accomplish the things that Hitler did...military strategy and analysis is not an easy concept. The man was brilliant...maybe too much so.
That's my point, Doc. There are some brilliant, yet sick, sonuvabitches out there. For example, serial killers are usually smarter than the guys trying to catch them.

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He wouldn't need them, he practiced his speeches for HOURS. He even practiced all those emphatic hand movements in the mirror for hours before a speech. He timed and wrote his speeches similar to a very tense piece of music. He'd often make the crowd wait 30 to 40 minutes before even taking the podium, then another 20 minutes be speaking to build tension. (keep in mind all the fanfare he brought along with his speeches: parades, military exhibitions, etc.) He'd also speak very diminutively and eventually build up to his rabble rousing that he's known for like a crescendo. Hitler's speaking ability was more like an evangelist than a politician, there's shitload of documents from the era that describe his speeches with an almost religious fervor.
You might have missed my point.
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I might have to disagree with you on this one. Actors know these traits as well and some of them aren't that bright. Obama has these skills too, but I'm not sure of his intellect. He could be a genius, I just don't know.
Obama has below average intelligence. Listen to him talk. At the risk of sounding arrogant, I'm smarter than obama. Hitler was waaaay smarter than obama. At the very least, a far better manipulator.

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Hitler's IQ has been "estimated" as being 141. There are several references to it on the web.

Of course, Hitler was a socialist.
He was actually hardcore conservative to the extreme, known as a fascist.

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Obama is a smart guy. You don't get into Columbia, and then Harvard law (less that a 2% acceptance rate) by being a dumbass.
He's dull witted, and I'm leaving his politics out of that.

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Unfortunately, I'm not as genetically blessed to make a claim that Obama has a lower intelligence than me, but I know I have the people's best interest in mind more than he does.
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Politics aside, I don't think you would get on TV and (again, policies aside) say the see-though things that he does. He's transparent, but not in the way that he lied about. The fact that he thinks that he can convince others of these things, tells you that he himself has the capacity to believe them. Otherwise he would think to himself "That shit ain't gonna work..."

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Unfortunately, I'm not as genetically blessed to make a claim that Obama has a lower intelligence than me, but I know I have the people's best interest in mind more than he does.
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Actually I always thought they were dumber. They seem to lack a very basic understanding of the nature of human beings, combined with little to no knowledge of the way the world works. Take the stupid liberal that came up with the theory. Kwanza or whatever his name was. He thinks, (according to the article) that conservatives "just don't care about their fellow man" or however he put it. It's kinda funny how every time a liberal opens his mouth, he proves how ignorant he is.
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My response is basically this article. Some of the smartest people I know (school wise) have absolutely no common sense.

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People use different terms to talk about intelligence. Some people are said to be book smart, and others are thought to have plenty of common sense.

Those who are book smart may not be the same people as those who have common sense. Street smart people are those who know their way around the tough world of the streets, and those who possess social skills are the ones who are thought to be smart in situations that involve other people.

Scientists Study Emotional Intelligence

Most people think of smart people as those who do well in school; those who perform well on tests that measure achievement or ability in reading, writing, and math. Intelligence tests do a fairly good job of predicting who will perform well on school related tasks, but sometimes parents and teachers are surprised when the high school valedictorian fails to do as well as they expected in college or in the world of work, or is unable to maintain a stable personal life. There are some who become successful outside the academic world even though they may have failed miserably in school.

Advantages in technology have allowed scientists to explore some of the mysteries of the brain from a biological standpoint, and these studies are leading scientists and educators to study the ways that emotions influence decision making and learning, and to search for ways to assess and develop abilities in addition to those that have traditionally been tested and developed in schools.
Emotional Intelligence: Set of Traits

Daniel Goleman in his book, “Emotional Intelligence: Why it can matter more than IQ” wrote that emotional intelligence involves a set of traits that include motivation, the ability to control impulses, delay gratification, and empathize with others. He compared the concept of emotional intelligence to what we might call “character.”


Ability to Control Emotions, Manage Personal Life and Possess Hope and Empathy

The author and scientist wrote that there is much evidence that people who possess the qualities that enable them to manage their personal lives, control their emotions, maintain hope, and empathize with others have an advantage over those who do not possess those qualities, and that emotional intelligence can in fact be more important than the conventional concept of intelligence.

Studies like those that Goleman wrote about and the efforts of scientists and educators may eventually lead to ways to enable more young people to develop their potential more fully. Scientists may find that there are many more ways than one to be smart, and certainly it should be recognized that everyone is smart in some ways.

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My response is basically this article. Some of the smartest people I know (school wise) have absolutely no common sense.

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That is damn straight. I used to repair computers on campus during college. The PhD's were book smart, but dumb as a bunch of rocks on daily living. I remember showing them (seriously) on how to turn on computers, put in floppy disks and even how to log on. Some of them, I wonder how they could operate a door knob.

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That is damn straight. I used to repair computers on campus during college. The PhD's were book smart, but dumb as a bunch of rocks on daily living. I remember showing them (seriously) on how to turn on computers, put in floppy disks and even how to log on. Some of them, I wonder how they could operate a door knob.
I don't call those people "smart". I call them "dumbasses". Being "smart" is a combination of common sense, with book smarts. My GF's brother is one of them. Sure he knows a thing or two about what he does, but in reality he's just a dumbass lol

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