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Who will be involved in the next war/invasion/conflict?

Just doing some reading here, what countries do you think will be in the next war with each other? Not a little e-pussy chest bump, but one where a true invasion happens, all news channel 24-7 coverage that gets everyone's attention- who do you say?
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It will be.
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iran wont last a week against israel just like egypt and they were better equipped .

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its going to be Russia invading some small country that has an oil pipe line running through it. Russia is bound and determined to control all the oil flow in that part of the world going into europe.

Israel does not have the financial backing to launch or sustain a lasting ground campaign on a country so far away.

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Israel does not have the financial backing to launch or sustain a lasting ground campaign on a country so far away.

Why would they? Israel is not like the US. Once they bomb the shit out of a country, they feel NO need whatsoever to occupy and "nation build"
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Why would they? Israel is not like the US. Once they bomb the shit out of a country, they feel NO need whatsoever to occupy and "nation build"
This^. And that they are a whole nation of soldiers. Those people have known nothing but fighting for thousands of years. I wouldn't want to fuck with them.

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israel has no money ????? hell the Jewish population here alone would fund it. besides they wont spend much. little av gas , a few missiles and they will be done.

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look at history, it takes money to win a war.

what is the point of attacking a country, and then returning to your own country to wait to be attacked? the threat will remain if your enemy remains in power.

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they couldn't even take on iraq . israel will hit strategic targets and be done with it. iran will have no air force , no infrastructure , no fuel . i guess they will send their destroyer to take out israel . it will not be a war against the iranian people. it will be a war against the guard.

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israel has no money ????? hell the Jewish population here alone would fund it. besides they wont spend much. little av gas , a few missiles and they will be done.
He always says that. He is one of the most anti-jew bitches on this site. Just smile and nod. He'll move along.
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they couldn't even take on iraq . israel will hit strategic targets and be done with it. iran will have no air force , no infrastructure , no fuel . i guess they will send their destroyer to take out israel . it will not be a war against the iranian people. it will be a war against the guard.
it took the US weeks to nock out strategic sites in Iraq. Iran is much stronger then Iraq was in 2003, and Israel has nowhere near the firepower of the US. and lets not forget the Iranians will counter attack as soon as they see the Israelis coming, they will launch their missiles at israel before the Israelis even get to Iran.

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it took the US weeks to nock out strategic sites in Iraq. Iran is much stronger then Iraq was in 2003, and Israel has nowhere near the firepower of the US. and lets not forget the Iranians will counter attack as soon as they see the Israelis coming, they will launch their missiles at israel before the Israelis even get to Iran.
Weeks? No, bro... weeks involved massive inter-theatre movement, termination of stategic targets with minimal damage to civilians or the environment and initial stand-up of enduring sites.

What Israel will do is strikes that will only last a few hours, spead across a few days. You're blinded by your hate for the Jews.
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Weeks? No, bro... weeks involved massive inter-theatre movement, termination of stategic targets with minimal damage to civilians or the environment and initial stand-up of enduring sites.

What Israel will do is strikes that will only last a few hours, spead across a few days. You're blinded by your hate for the Jews.
now that last bit was just uncalled for.

no matter what type of attack israel chooses to go with, Iran will strike back with the strongest weapons in their arsenal, likely biological and chemical weapons. so after a week, israel would have taken out Iran's nuclear facilities, and Iran would have killed a million innocent people in israel with biological weapons, and thats how the week long conflict ends??? I dont think so. it has to be an all out war or nothing, a few air stikes will lead to a real war.
and here in the US gas prices will jump $10 a gallon over night

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where do you get it that iran is so deadly ? they have no navy to speak of . they have a piss poor air force. half of their missile technology does not exist and most of the rest fails. if they fire one ballistic missile the doubt about israels weaponry will be answered. israel has the fire power to wipe iran from the map. ask egypt about them. 6 days . but iran is about to get their ass handed to them. even russia is tired of screwing with them. the rest of opec is eager to cover their oil production since iran will cease to produce oil or anything else. they will run out of fuel just like hitler did. it's not going to be a shoot out . why do you think we are in the middle east ? oil ? not likely . iran has been on this road since the fucking itoldyaso took over and the rest of the world knew where it would lead. it is just a matter of time.

you do know that israel has the best pilots on the planet don't you .

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where do you get it that iran is so deadly ? they have no navy to speak of . they have a piss poor air force. half of their missile technology does not exist and most of the rest fails. if they fire one ballistic missile the doubt about israels weaponry will be answered. israel has the fire power to wipe iran from the map. ask egypt about them. 6 days . but iran is about to get their ass handed to them. even russia is tired of screwing with them. the rest of opec is eager to cover their oil production since iran will cease to produce oil or anything else. they will run out of fuel just like hitler did. it's not going to be a shoot out . why do you think we are in the middle east ? oil ? not likely . iran has been on this road since the fucking itoldyaso took over and the rest of the world knew where it would lead. it is just a matter of time.

you do know that israel has the best pilots on the planet don't you .
first off coming from a family that has been in aviation for several generations, I can tell you the best pilots in the world are those who can land on an aircraft carrier, israel does not have one.

why do you think Iran is so weak? and if they really are as weak as you believe then why hasnt anyone done anything about it for the last 30 years? in 2007 our own government ranked Iran as the 16th strongest military in the world, and ranks Israel at 26th strongest.
I am not suggesting Iran will win, just that it will be a long hard war

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first off coming from a family that has been in aviation for several generations, I can tell you the best pilots in the world are those who can land on an aircraft carrier, israel does not have one.

why do you think Iran is so weak? and if they really are as weak as you believe then why hasnt anyone done anything about it for the last 30 years? in 2007 our own government ranked Iran as the 16th strongest military in the world, and ranks Israel at 26th strongest.
I am not suggesting Iran will win, just that it will be a long hard war
^^That doesn't mean you know dick about aviation, sorry.

What can Iran possibly do that can get over to Israel? Anything they have can be stopped.

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Israeli pilots were trained here for many years. they have also landed on our carriers. our piolts are the best but they don't get anywhere near the flight time the israeli pilots do. i spent 4 years pushing birds in the navy so i know a little bit. i do know that israel will waste the iranian air force and so does iran. israel is hoping they will strike first. then it's on. no worries about civilian casualties or anything else. bomb the sob's to the stone age in a matter of days and be done with it. your watching too much cnn.

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^^That doesn't mean you know dick about aviation, sorry.

What can Iran possibly do that can get over to Israel? Anything they have can be stopped.

LMAO @ your ranking system!!! Show me that shit.
I was flying before I was driving, I think I know a little more then "dick" about aviation...

Iran has plenty of missiles that can reach Israel, it just takes one to get through.

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now that last bit was just uncalled for.

no matter what type of attack israel chooses to go with, Iran will strike back with the strongest weapons in their arsenal, likely biological and chemical weapons. so after a week, israel would have taken out Iran's nuclear facilities, and Iran would have killed a million innocent people in israel with biological weapons, and thats how the week long conflict ends??? I dont think so. it has to be an all out war or nothing, a few air stikes will lead to a real war.
and here in the US gas prices will jump $10 a gallon over night
So is your anti-semitism.
Israel will premeptively take out any effective weapons before the war even begins. If Iran is still wanting to go on the offensive the US will be forced to step to the assistance of Israel.

On top of that, the intangible of Israel fighting for the collective lives of it's people gives them more skin in the game.

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now that last bit was just uncalled for.

no matter what type of attack israel chooses to go with, Iran will strike back with the strongest weapons in their arsenal, likely biological and chemical weapons. so after a week, israel would have taken out Iran's nuclear facilities, and Iran would have killed a million innocent people in israel with biological weapons, and thats how the week long conflict ends??? I dont think so. it has to be an all out war or nothing, a few air stikes will lead to a real war.
and here in the US gas prices will jump $10 a gallon over night
The answer is simple. A good deal of iran is desert. A few well placed airstirkes knocks out most of irans water supply. Anarchy ensues. Iran will be unable to mount much of an attack when people are dying due to a lack of water and sanitary living conditions.

I guess they COULD drink their oil LOL....
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Israel doesn't have the logistical capability to sustain an invasion that far from there home. Nor does their population have the endurance to put up sustained casualties for Long term ops. Do some research into how outspoken the civilians were against there own country after they got themselves entrenched in Lebanon in the 80s. There's a very good reason they didn't hang out in Lebanon that long in 06.

Israel certainly doesn't have reservations about tangling with Iran but their strikes would be way more surgical.

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I was flying before I was driving, I think I know a little more then "dick" about aviation...

Iran has plenty of missiles that can reach Israel, it just takes one to get through.
Where in your advanced "pilot's training" did you get your facts about Israeli and Iranian pilots? Sitting on Daddy's lap in the Piper doesn't count.

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Israel doesn't have the logistical capability to sustain an invasion that far from there home. Nor does their population have the endurance to put up sustained casualties for Long term ops. Do some research into how outspoken the civilians were against there own country after they got themselves entrenched in Lebanon in the 80s. There's a very good reason they didn't hang out in Lebanon that long in 06.

Israel certainly doesn't have reservations about tangling with Iran but their strikes would be way more surgical.

My top 3 picks for the next wars are
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Colombia kicks the shit out of Venezuela
Pakistan vs India
Their population is mostly in defense mode, that's why. Once threatened enough, there will be no hesitation. logistics haven't been a problem before, as they won't give a rat's ass about anyone's airspace, but I'm with you... their initial strikes are not going to be through the air. Just ask the Hamas guy in Dubai (oh, wait)
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Columbia - Venezuelan . now thats a pretty good bet. we'd back anybody wanting to thump fucking Chavez the pig. russia ???? naw dont really think so. they have too many problems with neighbors right now. without oil and gas sales they are screwed. they are more worried about us neutralizing them with the missile shield than anything else. we'll know pretty soon anyway.

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Columbia - Venezuelan . now thats a pretty good bet. we'd back anybody wanting to thump fucking Chavez the pig. russia ???? naw dont really think so. they have too many problems with neighbors right now. without oil and gas sales they are screwed. they are more worried about us neutralizing them with the missile shield than anything else. we'll know pretty soon anyway.
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Id love to see Israel wipe Iran off the map, as well as Columbia take out Chavez in a covert-ops type plan.

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israel just unveiled it's new drones. wonder why .

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I say Israel strikes in a month or less if the current Iranian regime isn't overthrown by then.

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Where in your advanced "pilot's training" did you get your facts about Israeli and Iranian pilots? Sitting on Daddy's lap in the Piper doesn't count.

And one more time... show me these rankings you pulled out of your ass about military strength.
That number is based off www.globalfirepower.com ,but it's an old number. They have risen to the rank of 11th on that website.
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That number is based off www.globalfirepower.com ,but it's an old number. They have risen to the rank of 11th on that website.
I'd think Turkey would be a little higher on that list.
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That number is based off www.globalfirepower.com ,but it's an old number. They have risen to the rank of 11th on that website.
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in 2007 our own government ranked Iran as the 16th strongest military in the world, and ranks Israel at 26th strongest.
Looks more like Iran is 18 and Israel is 11, but (from the website):
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Iran had to resort to human wave suicide attacks in the Iran vs Iraq war.

Their air force for the past decade has been a joke. Last I heard they took delivery of some new planes from the Russians. Before that they had a bunch of F-14 Tomcats that we wouldn't sell them parts for. Israeli pilots will eat any Iranian who dares to leave the ground for lunch.

I have been saying it for years that Israel would strike Iran but they haven't done a thing. That nuclear site in Syria was destroyed but so far they have done nothing. This is a complicated situation now since the Shiites mostly have control of Iraq from what I understand.

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Iran had to resort to human wave suicide attacks in the Iran vs Iraq war.

Their air force for the past decade has been a joke. Last I heard they took delivery of some new planes from the Russians. Before that they had a bunch of F-14 Tomcats that we wouldn't sell them parts for. Israeli pilots will eat any Iranian who dares to leave the ground for lunch.

I have been saying it for years that Israel would strike Iran but they haven't done a thing. That nuclear site in Syria was destroyed but so far they have done nothing. This is a complicated situation now since the Shiites mostly have control of Iraq from what I understand.
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Exactly. So the only scenario I can see taking shape is an Israeli strike that goes around Iraq and up through the Persian Gulf. If they flew over Iraqi airspace then we would look bad for allowing them to do so. We might come out and say that we didn't approve of the air strike to appear to be dilpomatic. The Shiites in iraq would go apeshit and set off a bunch of bombs.
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first off coming from a family that has been in aviation for several generations,
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I think Kim Il Jong is going to do something.
he just seems to be a blow-hard.
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Exactly. So the only scenario I can see taking shape is an Israeli strike that goes around Iraq and up through the Persian Gulf. If they flew over Iraqi airspace then we would look bad for allowing them to do so. We might come out and say that we didn't approve of the air strike to appear to be dilpomatic. The Shiites in iraq would go apeshit and set off a bunch of bombs.
They're the ones doing that anyway. Honestly, Israel has it's best chance in the wake of our departure of combat forces, when we only have minimal sustainment going on. That way, we don't/can't interfere and it is the hardest point to remobilize. We'll have shit everywhere for a while. Not that we'd put too much effort in shaking our finger in their direction
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he just seems to be a blow-hard.
Yeah that's doing live fire excercises on the 39th parallel regularly now and has detonated atomic weapons. He may not have a Navy worth a damn or the ability to get troops anywhere but he does have plenty of cold war era artillery aimed at Seoul and plenty of missiles more than capable of hitting Japan.

He wants attention and isn't getting it. China would roll troops in immediately and take over the country if he went nuts but the damage would already be done.

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Yeah that's doing live fire excercises on the 39th parallel regularly now and has detonated atomic weapons. He may not have a Navy worth a damn or the ability to get troops anywhere but he does have plenty of cold war era artillery aimed at Seoul and plenty of missiles more than capable of hitting Japan.

He wants attention and isn't getting it. China would roll troops in immediately and take over the country if he went nuts but the damage would already be done.
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The botched explosion about 3 years ago.

I completely missed this in the news:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...a-nuclear-test

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i dont think he wants to screw with japan. they would bust his ass fast if he did that. he does this shit every time he runs out of money . maybe his worthless ass will die soon. his kid will probably be just as bad.

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Link? I missed this one.
What about the underground nuclear detonation a few months back?

That was ALL over the news.
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