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Texas sues EPA over anti-pollution plan

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Texas sues EPA over anti-pollution plan

Posted Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010

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AUSTIN – The State of Texas ratcheted up its attack on the Obama administration's environmental policies on Tuesday, filing suit against the EPA over a declaration that could broaden government enforcement of carbon dioxide emissions.

Gov. Rick Perry, Attorney General Greg Abbott and Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples announced the lawsuit at a joint news conference to declare that the two-month-old declaration is based on bogus conclusions and could cause billions of dollars of economic damage in Texas.

"The EPA's misguided plan paints a big target on the backs of Texas agriculture and energy producers and the hundreds of thousands of Texans they employ," Perry asserted.

But environmental groups quickly countered that Perry and the other leaders are ignoring scientific evidence about the dangers of global warming.

Austin leaders of Public Citizen and the Sierra Club went to Perry's second-floor office in the State Capitol to serve the Republican governor with a symbolic "citizen citation" demanding that Perry "cease and desist endangering the health of breathers, the economy and the climate in Texas."

The suit was filed in Washington in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. The state will also file a "petition for reconsideration" with the Environmental Protection Agency calling on EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson to review her declaration.

The EPA declared in December that carbon dioxide emissions constitute a threat to public health, opening the door to further regulation to control greenhouse gases. The policy could have a far-reaching impact on Texas, which produces more carbon dioxide than any other state and many countries.

Perry told Jackson in a letter shortly after the ruling that her agency’s mandate is based on distorted scientific claims and could wither jobs and the economy.

Abbott said the finding is legally unsupported because of the agency's reliance on the International Panel on Climate Change, which has been accused of basing its findings on discredited research and false claims.

Critics have contended that intercepted e-mails from British scientists suggest that data were distorted to overstate the dangers of global warming. The release of the e-mail conversations gave rise to what later became known as "Climategate."

"The EPA should not blindly accept what the world has begun to second-guess," said Abbott.

Dallas-Fort Worth has been struggling for years with an ozone pollution problem, linked to automobile traffic and industries. State regulators have conducted tests showing that toxic chemicals are being released from some natural gas wells in the Barnett Shale field, which surrounds Fort Worth.

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Publicity stunt to help keep him in office. Nothing more, nothing less. Even though it's a stunt, it's cute that he is trying to show that he has a spine, and I'll admit that it is refreshing.
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Publicity stunt to help keep him in office. Nothing more, nothing less. Even though it's a stunt, it's cute that he is trying to show that he has a spine, and I'll admit that it is refreshing.
But in fairness, are not most of the significant things done by politicians nothing more than a publicity stunt?

BTW I find it humorous that environmental groups are saying that Perry and other leaders are ignoring scientific evidence about the dangers of global warming. Aren't they pretty much ignoring the scientific evidence that global warming is a farce to begin with?

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BTW I find it humorous that environmental groups are saying that Perry and other leaders are ignoring scientific evidence about the dangers of global warming. Aren't they pretty much ignoring the scientific evidence that global warming is a farce to begin with?
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Publicity stunt to help keep him in office. Nothing more, nothing less. Even though it's a stunt, it's cute that he is trying to show that he has a spine, and I'll admit that it is refreshing.
I agree, and this suit is going to cast tax payers millions of dollars, and in the end will the state of texas be able to provide overwhelming evidence needed to overturn the federal governments policy? I doubt it.

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I agree, and this suit is going to cast tax payers millions of dollars, and in the end will the state of texas be able to provide overwhelming evidence needed to overturn the federal governments policy? I doubt it.
I guess you missed this in the other thread?

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Where the hell did that Taylor guy go? Got a little more to rain on his parade...


Just released:

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre

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Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data

Booyah!
When the very person that has supplied the information that all these people quote when they discuss the 'science' that is no longer in question, suddenly says his information is flawed, that actual temps are not as his models forcasted and are actually dropping, and cannot actually prove is theory because he lost the facts/data to back it up, how is it that hard to disprove the power/tax grab that the EPA is calling global warming?

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I guess you missed this in the other thread?



When the very person that has supplied the information that all these people quote when they discuss the 'science' that is no longer in question, suddenly says his information is flawed, that actual temps are not as his models forcasted and are actually dropping, and cannot actually prove is theory because he lost the facts/data to back it up, how is it that hard to disprove the power/tax grab that the EPA is calling global warming?

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"The EPA declared in December that carbon dioxide emissions constitute a threat to public health" this is what the state of Texas will have to disprove. they need overwhelming evidence to win the case, not just a couple scientific opinions. everyone knows carbon dioxide is lethal even in small doses, how to you convince a court that the EPAs statement has damaged the texas economy?

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"The EPA declared in December that carbon dioxide emissions constitute a threat to public health" this is what the state of Texas will have to disprove. they need overwhelming evidence to win the case, not just a couple scientific opinions. everyone knows carbon dioxide is lethal even in small doses, how to you convince a court that the EPAs statement has damaged the texas economy?
Did you and the EPA forget that when we (humans and all other animals) breathe, we exhale carbon dioxide? So the EPA's declaration is like telling every living animal to stop breathing for the sake of their health.

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Did you and the EPA forget that when we (humans and all other animals) breathe, we exhale carbon dioxide? So the EPA's declaration is like telling every living animal to stop breathing for the sake of their health.
its the level of carbon dioxide that makes it lethal.

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its the level of carbon dioxide that makes it lethal.
Your sig has a picture of a guy in it with a shitload of smoke coming out of his ass, and reads "rocketfreaks".

Are you trying to tell us that you like "rockets" that make your ass smoke?


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its the level of carbon dioxide that makes it lethal.
so the most obvious solution to this "problem" is for the government to exterminate as many people as it can...

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"The EPA declared in December that carbon dioxide emissions constitute a threat to public health" this is what the state of Texas will have to disprove. they need overwhelming evidence to win the case, not just a couple scientific opinions. everyone knows carbon dioxide is lethal even in small doses, how to you convince a court that the EPAs statement has damaged the texas economy?
No they don't. The EPA declared it a greenhouse gas, and the excess production of it being detrimental to the environment and causing global warming. All the suing attorneys have to is to prove it isn't as much of a threat as the EPA says it currently is. They do not have to provide "overwhelming evidence", all they have to do is prove that it isn't as serious of an issue as the PA claims it to be.

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"The EPA declared in December that carbon dioxide emissions constitute a threat to public health" this is what the state of Texas will have to disprove. they need overwhelming evidence to win the case, not just a couple scientific opinions. everyone knows carbon dioxide is lethal even in small doses, how to you convince a court that the EPAs statement has damaged the texas economy?
EPA based it's conclusion on what the IPCC said, which is now being trashed (Climategate).

The EPA doesn't have evidence to begin with! Might as well ban Dihydrogen monoxide too with what you're saying.

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No they don't. The EPA declared it a greenhouse gas, and the excess production of it being detrimental to the environment and causing global warming. All the suing attorneys have to is to prove it isn't as much of a threat as the EPA says it currently is. They do not have to provide "overwhelming evidence", all they have to do is prove that it isn't as serious of an issue as the PA claims it to be.

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this is a civil suit, you have to prove that the EPA's safety concerns completely wrong and that the policy cost the state money. the federal government can find plenty of people that have gotten sick from carbon dioxide to testify, in addition to testimony from doctors who's patients have died as a result of carbon dioxide. you can not over come that testimony.

when it come to money vs health, courts always side with people's health.

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this is a civil suit, you have to prove that the EPA's safety concerns completely wrong and that the policy cost the state money. the federal government can find plenty of people that have gotten sick from carbon dioxide to testify, in addition to testimony from doctors who's patients have died as a result of carbon dioxide. you can not over come that testimony.

when it come to money vs health, courts always side with people's health.
You really are a fucking idiot.

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this is a civil suit, you have to prove that the EPA's safety concerns completely wrong and that the policy cost the state money. the federal government can find plenty of people that have gotten sick from carbon dioxide to testify, in addition to testimony from doctors who's patients have died as a result of carbon dioxide. you can not over come that testimony.

when it come to money vs health, courts always side with people's health.
A state prosecuting attorney suing the EPA on the basis of a finding/introduction of a law that governs said state isn't a civil suit.

By the way, please find someone, anyone that has died of carbon dioxide, or doctors that claim they have been harmed/killed from breathing the air in our atmosphere from carbon dioxide. Give you a hint, it makes up .3% of our atmosphere naturally, and is exhaled by every person and animal on the planet every second of every day, for the last 5 billion years.

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Am I the only one that thinks cannonball has carbon dioxide, and carbon monoxide confused?


Now, I very well may be the idiot here. But I've NEVER heard of someone dying of carbon dioxide intake.


Cannonball- do you know that every person an animal Inhale oxygen, and exhale carbon dioxide? To take it a step further, do you know thy carbon dioxide is required for plants/trees to live?


Furthermore - Have you ever seen a carbon dioxide detector in a house?

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