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I just finished watching this documentary, anyone else seen it? Some pretty alarming stuff about our food industry. I didn't realize how much farming has changed and how a few big corporations pretty much run the industry.

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the only thing that bothers me about this whole "organic" food push is that if we all go organic, we can feed 4 billion people. That sounds great until you look at the fact that there are 6 billion people on this earth...
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Yeah, I don't know how we can feed everyone without shifting a lot of the workload back down to end consumers. Without some involvement in the food manufacturing, it's pretty easy to say, "Well, why can't the industry just make better food?" I know we do a lot to increase production volume in my company, and keep things safe at the same time, and the food industry really doesn't get the credit it deserves for what it does. The fact that we produce the volume of food that we do as safely as we do is amazing. Granted, there will always be shortfalls, but folks' inability to make healthy choices for themselves is not the food industry's fault. It's absolutely the end consumer's fault. Also, the comparison to the tobacco industry is unfair. The food industry has a lot of ability to manufacture healthier food, if the demand is there. Believe me when I say we kill low demand product lines all the time where I work. No one wants to make a low-volume, low-profit product.

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Let me guess, this is another bullshit misanthropic masterpiece about how fat asses are fat because Hostess makes twinkies and Frito lay fries pork skins. I like how there is never any personal responsibility involved in these films.
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Let me guess, this is another bullshit misanthropic masterpiece about how fat asses are fat because Hostess makes twinkies and Frito lay fries pork skins. I like how there is never any personal responsibility involved in these films.
Not so much... sure they touch on how healthy food is more expensive, and how some simply cannot afford to make good food choices.

It more focues on how central and industrialized the food industry has become. Example, there used to be hundreds of meat packing facilities in the US, now there are 5. And how our meats are treated with chlorine and ammonia to preserve and kill bacteria, rather than just having more sanitary environments.

Also talks about how e coli has been spreading and the fact that people running the FDA and USDA come from boards of staff from meat and corn companies, ie conflicts of interest.

I was also surprised that none of the big companies would go on record or allow tours of their facilities.
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Not even sure where to start... No other country in the world can compare with the US's food manufacturing industry- from utilization of resources, product quality, food safety, to providing a huge amount of jobs.
Far-left propaganda pushing towards organic.

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Not so much... sure they touch on how healthy food is more expensive, and how some simply cannot afford to make good food choices.

It more focues on how central and industrialized the food industry has become. Example, there used to be hundreds of meat packing facilities in the US, now there are 5. And how our meats are treated with chlorine and ammonia to preserve and kill bacteria, rather than just having more sanitary environments.

Also talks about how e coli has been spreading and the fact that people running the FDA and USDA come from boards of staff from meat and corn companies, ie conflicts of interest.

I was also surprised that none of the big companies would go on record or allow tours of their facilities.
gee, um maybe competitive reasons... amongst others.

Bacteria come in on the animal as part of its natural flora- anti microbrials help control these pathogens to create safer products in our hypersensitive marketplace.

and yes, there are huge corporate packing facilities... but there are still hundreds of small one too.

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Far left propoganda. People with simple minds who believe everything they see are falling for it.
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LOL at ya'll dismissing it right off the bat. I'm not saying that it's all factual, but I bet there's a good amout of truth in it.

Has anyone even watched it?
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My coteacher showed it to our students last week. It was all I could do to sit through it. I tried to explain to them that with the population of america and everyone wanting everything so cheap this is the way things have to be done.
There are some truths to it but the most of it is placing blame on corporate america for all of the unhealthy and overweight people in america. It says nothign about people sitting around playing video games while eating twinkies and soda.
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Oh and Oprah endorses it if that tells you anything.
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LOL at ya'll dismissing it right off the bat. I'm not saying that it's all factual, but I bet there's a good amout of truth in it.

Has anyone even watched it?
I watched the promo... yes there is some fact, then it's taken and twisted. I know a little bit about food manufacturing (here and in other country's). When something is BS it should be dismissed.

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Oh and Oprah endorses it if that tells you anything.
Of course she does... she's a cow and is looking out for the best interest of her kind
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I watched the promo... yes there is some fact, then it's taken and twisted. I know a little bit about food manufacturing (here and in other country's). When something is BS it should be dismissed.
Well the trailer doesn't show shit. If you're familiar with the industry maybe you should check it out, I watched it online for free.
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Well the trailer doesn't show shit. If you're familiar with the industry maybe you should check it out, I watched it online for free.
No need, I can form my own opinion from 20 years of indepth involvement in the industry. I don't need some asshats pushing their twisted agenda on me.

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This is a film similar to Michael Moore's nonsense. They take some factual information and twist it to scare everyone. Just like to media did with the swine flu. People need to do the research on their own and form their own opinions. Most people however will just believe what they see and hear.
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Not so much... sure they touch on how healthy food is more expensive, and how some simply cannot afford to make good food choices.

It more focues on how central and industrialized the food industry has become. Example, there used to be hundreds of meat packing facilities in the US, now there are 5. And how our meats are treated with chlorine and ammonia to preserve and kill bacteria, rather than just having more sanitary environments.

Also talks about how e coli has been spreading and the fact that people running the FDA and USDA come from boards of staff from meat and corn companies, ie conflicts of interest.

I was also surprised that none of the big companies would go on record or allow tours of their facilities.
I'll watch it later today.

I just don't fall for the whole "poor people can't afford to eat right" thing. Generally speaking, able bodied fat ass poor people are poor because they are lazy. On top of that, exercise is free.
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I'll watch it later today.

I just don't fall for the whole "poor people can't afford to eat right" thing. Generally speaking, able bodied fat ass poor people are poor because they are lazy. On top of that, exercise is free.
I could not agree more!
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Bacteria come in on the animal as part of its natural flora- anti microbrials help control these pathogens to create safer products in our hypersensitive marketplace.
I'm no scientist, nor I am saying this is true, just repeating what they said in the film. The bacteria starts in the animals... primarily since they are now fed corn rather than grass. Cows didn't evolve eating corn and they do not digest it properly and they get e coli. They said that by feeding the cattle grass, rather than corn, for one week the e coli in their systems would drop 80%.

The industry doesn't want to feed them grass because it takes more real estate and doesn't fatter them up nearly as fast. So they're insinuating that the industry puts higher value on profit rather than food safety.
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I've been wanting to check it out.


We eat 90%ish organic. It's really not that much more expensive. When you start getting in to meats and stuff, sure, the cost jumps. But to me, paying extra for chicken and beef that's not pumped full of steroids, is well worth it.


It's comical that all these people are dismissing it without even seeing it. I'm sure this flick has an agenda, and any time an agenda is involved, there is going to be some stretching and embellishing of the truth. That doesn't meanthe flick contains no factual information. Personally, I think more people need to wake up and realize what they are putting in to their bodies. It's sickening what goes in to food these days. Perhaps if peoples eyes are opened, more will start to make healthier choices, because it doesn't come down to the end user. I don't blame McDonalds for all the fatasses. That said, what food mfrs are allowed to do, and the way they are allowed to market their food, is absolutely disgusting.


To the gentleman with 20 yrs in food manufacturing - you do know that antimicrobial surfaces do nothing to prevent bacteria growth in food, right? Antimicrobial is a hot word, and so many people are misinformed about what it actually means and does. For instance, Hobart likes to tout that their slicer is antimicrobial. It's a lie. Their slicer is no more antimicrobial than my dick. The plastic handle is antimicrobial. That's it. All that does is prefer bacteria growth on the handle. It covers none of the rest of the slicer. That's just one example, and I've got millions.
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It says nothign about people sitting around playing video games while eating twinkies and soda.
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My diet consists largely of garbage foods, but I'm 6'2 and weigh 155 lbs.
Its amazing what a little bit of jogging/bike riding will do for a persons health.
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So they're insinuating that the industry puts higher value on profit rather than food safety.
There is no denying that. It's the absolute truth. Where do you think high fructose corn syrup came from? Synthetic sugars are a hell of a lot cheaper than real sugar. Loom at Pepsis recent "throwback" promo. That shit used to be Made with real sugar. Now look at it. Don't even get me started on aspartame. It's easier to add MSG (which is fucking TERRIBLE for you), to products than it is to start with a higher quality product o begin with.

Again, people make their own choices. However, what the government and FDA allow, is fucking sickening. So people can only control so much. I haven't even seen the movie, and I can tell you I probably support about 80% of what they are pushing.

And for the record, I'm conservative/constitutionalist, not a liberal. Just thought I'd throw that out there before someone tries to dismiss me as a hardcore lib.
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The one glaring omission to the entire film is the lack of exercise. If people would just eat reasonably and exercise a little you could eat crisco twice a day and be fine.( you might get teh shits though). The underlying tone of the entire movie is that the food industry is responsible for the obesity epedemic in America.
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The underlying tone of the entire movie is that the food industry is responsible for the obesity epedemic in America.
And that, is where the movie is wrong.
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The one glaring omission to the entire film is the lack of exercise. If people would just eat reasonably and exercise a little you could eat crisco twice a day and be fine.( you might get teh shits though). The underlying tone of the entire movie is that the food industry is responsible for the obesity epedemic in America.
I feel differently... I felt the focus of the film was food safety, not obeisty.
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To the gentleman with 20 yrs in food manufacturing - you do know that antimicrobial surfaces do nothing to prevent bacteria growth in food, right? Antimicrobial is a hot word, and so many people are misinformed about what it actually means and does. For instance, Hobart likes to tout that their slicer is antimicrobial. It's a lie. Their slicer is no more antimicrobial than my dick. The plastic handle is antimicrobial. That's it. All that does is prefer bacteria growth on the handle. It covers none of the rest of the slicer. That's just one example, and I've got millions.
I said nothing about "anti-microbrial surfaces", I was refering to post-slaughter anti-microbrial carcass treatments such as ASC (acidified sodium chlorite) and peroxyacetic acid (peracitic acid and hydrogen peroxide).
I will say it again, our food manufacturing is the safest in the world... hands down- now there is alot of shitty food out there, but from a true food safety standpoint. Environmental, process aids, food safety monitoring systems, thermal processing, post lethality treatments and microbrial growth inhibitors... the industry conintues to strive to create the worlds safest food supply.

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My diet consists largely of garbage foods, but I'm 6'2 and weigh 155 lbs.
Its amazing what a little bit of jogging/bike riding will do for a persons health.

I'm 6'2", weigh 205, have a 33" waist, and people call me skinny.


Damn but you must be like a size 2 at 155lbs...
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I feel differently... I felt the focus of the film was food safety, not obeisty.
I haven't watched the film yet, but if they say people are using chlorine and ammonia as additives, they're idiots. Everyone uses chlorine and ammonia every day. You already use a chlorinated detergent to wash your dishes. You use ammonia in your kitchen and bathroom. If you think you can get around that and stay sanitary, without a TON of acetic acid, peracetic acid, nitric acid, and super strong caustics, you're crazy.

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I run a crew doing production area sanitation in a cheese factory. Anyone that wants to know what it takes to be in compliance needs to really look into the regulations, and look at the fine print concerning certifications. It ain't easy.

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Do you put ammonia in or on your cheese? Or you just use it to clean surfaces around the cheese? The film is talking about putting the shit ON the food, not using it to clean the facility.

It showed them spraying ground beef with the shit.
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Do you put ammonia in or on your cheese? Or you just use it to clean surfaces around the cheese? The film is talking about putting the shit ON the food, not using it to clean the facility.

It showed them spraying ground beef with the shit.
Not sure about this "ammonia" being sprayed on ground beef? But one of the most common sanitizers is commonly called quaternary ammonia. It is approved for and used to sanitize product and non-product contact surfaces- not being sprayed on product. There are several products that are approved for carcass and trim wash- which have no residual... they break down into water, oxygen and vinegar (acetic acid).

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I run a crew doing production area sanitation in a cheese factory. Anyone that wants to know what it takes to be in compliance needs to really look into the regulations, and look at the fine print concerning certifications. It ain't easy.
I know your facility. In the '90's I worked at a couple of poultry facilities- mainly QA but also Ops Mgr over sanitation. Since then I have been "out in the field" doing various forms of food safety support/consulting- primarily focusing on sanitation and operational sanitation.

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Do you put ammonia in or on your cheese? Or you just use it to clean surfaces around the cheese? The film is talking about putting the shit ON the food, not using it to clean the facility.

It showed them spraying ground beef with the shit.
I can't go into what we do in a public forum, but it's legal to sanitize food contact surfaces with a low strength of quaternary ammonia. All eggs are sprayed with it, and it isn't going to hurt you. It's a great long term sanitizer. Again, you use chemicals of the same strength in your house. There's no getting around the chemistry.

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I can't go into what we do in a public forum, but it's legal to sanitize food contact surfaces with a low strength of quaternary ammonia. All eggs are sprayed with it, and it isn't going to hurt you. It's a great long term sanitizer. Again, you use chemicals of the same strength in your house. There's no getting around the chemistry.
I'm assuming when you say eggs, you mean the shells, which no one eats.

Call me weird, but I would prefer that my meat products not be "cleaned" with household cleaners.
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I'm assuming when you say eggs, you mean the shells, which no one eats.

Call me weird, but I would prefer that my meat products not be "cleaned" with household cleaners.
Yes, eggs still in shells. The "cleaners" are washed off, low level sanitizer left on (200ppm- .02% solution).
But you are more than welcome to eat something that has come directly out of a chickens ass, if you would like to. Oh, and that chicken normally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter in it's gut (regardless of if housed or free range) as part of it's normal flora. Enjoy the shits... best case scenario. Oh, and if you are immuno-comprimised (very young, very old, allready sick, on radiation or kemo, HIV+, AIDS,....) enjoy the hospital and possible death.
Yes, I'm being a little melodramatic... but get the point?

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Yes, eggs still in shells. The "cleaners" are washed off, low level sanitizer left on (200ppm- .02% solution).
But you are more than welcome to eat something that has come directly out of a chickens ass, if you would like to. Oh, and that chicken normally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter in it's gut (regardless of if housed or free range) as part of it's normal flora. Enjoy the shits... best case scenario. Oh, and if you are immuno-comprimised (very young, very old, allready sick, on radiation or kemo, HIV+, AIDS,....) enjoy the hospital and possible death.
Yes, I'm being a little melodramatic... but get the point?
LMFAO!!


I ate farm fresh eggs for YEARS, with zero problems. So has most of my family (big family) with the exact same results. Both sets of grandparents were farmers. And yes, I went out and collected the eggs every single day. Straight from the chicken's ass, to the sink, to the frying pan. Sorry, sell your bullshit to someone else. You simply can't honestly tell me that eating ANYTHING with chemicals on it, is better than an all natural choice. You just can't. Who the fuck even knows if what the FDA deems safe, is actually safe? Hence the apparent film's focus on who the FDA is run by. Yeah, the FDA is legit. They've NEVER rushed testing to push product to the market, they're not in anyone's pocket, there's no hidden agenda at all.




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Yes, eggs still in shells. The "cleaners" are washed off, low level sanitizer left on (200ppm- .02% solution).
But you are more than welcome to eat something that has come directly out of a chickens ass, if you would like to. Oh, and that chicken normally carries Salmonella and Campylobacter in it's gut (regardless of if housed or free range) as part of it's normal flora. Enjoy the shits... best case scenario. Oh, and if you are immuno-comprimised (very young, very old, allready sick, on radiation or kemo, HIV+, AIDS,....) enjoy the hospital and possible death.
Yes, I'm being a little melodramatic... but get the point?
Wow, how did our ancestors make it to this point? They would have all died from not having their food cleaned by chemicals!
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You're right, I give up. We are evil, addicting people to food. Wasting time and money on trying to create safe and wholesome food for a broad scope of population... evil, bad corporations.

Oh, seriously though, I do agree that the FDA and the much more present (intrusive) USDA have their issues.

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im not eating any organic bullshit food. fuck the liberals and all their horseshit ideas
WTF are you talking about... organic is how food has always been produced. It wasn't until recently that all these chemicals, pesticides, hormones and other BS started getting added. Everyone used to eat organic, all the time.
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You're right, I give up. We are evil, addicting people to food. Wasting time and money on trying to create safe and wholesome food for a broad scope of population... evil, bad corporations.

Oh, seriously though, I do agree that the FDA and the much more present (intrusive) USDA have their issues.


I'm not saying it's totally the corporation's fault. They are just following the guidelines laid out in front of them. However, there is some personal and corporate responsibility involved. Example - Coca Cola and many others use Aspartame as the sweetener in their diet sodas. Read up on the long term effects of aspartame. Yes, the FDA approved it, but there is now enough research and lab results to pull that shit off the market. Sure, you can argue that the FDA has yet to ban it. But these manufacturers are WELL aware of the effects, and continue to use it. I consider it irresponsible. When it's just you that is being talked about, sure. Make your own decision. Ingest aspartame to your heart's content. But we're talking billions of people that hang in the balance here.

MY issue is with the FDA itself. They have an agenda, they're subject to lobbyists, etc. Not to mention they are run by former food manufacturers, and that in itself is a conflict of interest.

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WTF are you talking about... organic is how food has always been produced. It wasn't until recently that all these chemicals, pesticides, hormones and other BS started getting added. Everyone used to eat organic, all the time.
He's so close minded and hardcore right wing, he's going to rebel against anything California does, because goddammit, he knows it all and that shit ain't right!


I agree, for the most part, libs are idiots. But what the fuck does organic food have to do with party affiliation? I'll answer that for you.... California is leading the organic movement. So if California pushes for it, it must be retarded, right? I don't agree with Cali politics at all, but as far as I'm concerned, food and what I put in to my body doesn't have a fucking thing to do with my political stance.


I prefer to eat healthy. I prefer for my daughter to not develop a c cup at age 9. I prefer to ingest food the natural way, the way it was intended to be. It's certainly less harmful than ingesting pesticides, steroids, hormones, etc.
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The film talks about Monsanto in depth.
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The film talks about Monsanto in depth.
It's fucked up what's really going. Bcoop is right about the corruption, lobbyists, and all the agendas etc being carried out.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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im not eating any organic bullshit food. fuck the liberals and all their horseshit ideas
What a dumbass remark! I bet you don't believe in other liberal smoke-and-mirror bullshit like exercise and vitamins either.
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I'm assuming when you say eggs, you mean the shells, which no one eats.

Call me weird, but I would prefer that my meat products not be "cleaned" with household cleaners.
You do understand that the beef halves and quarters that have this sanitizer sprayed on them has the exterior meat all trimmed off before being finish processed, right?

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What a dumbass remark! I bet you don't believe in other liberal smoke-and-mirror bullshit like exercise and vitamins either.
just seems like most liberals ideas are completely whacked. I can just see the liberal point of view destroying the food industry like they have everything else. i dont know much about what goes into food but i guarantee if some dumbass liberal fucktard gets to generating ideas we will all be vegetarians.

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You do understand that the beef halves and quarters that have this sanitizer sprayed on them has the exterior meat all trimmed off before being finish processed, right?

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Well the way it was portrayed in the film was the stuff was applied after processing, just prior to sealing the box. I understand there is a certiain level of cleaning required initially, afterall the animals are knee deep in their own shit all day.
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