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Medina gains, Hutchinson losing ground, Perry probably winning.

Today's poll shows that Medina has picked up 4 percentage points while Hutchinson has lost 4. Perry still has a commanding lead with 44%...

Perry 44%
Hutchinson 29%
Medina 16%

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It's looking like Perry doesn't have enough to win the primary outright. But will Medina supporters back Hutchinson in a run off?

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Medina with the upset victory. I'm calling it now, the polls can kiss my rear.

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Who is worth a shit? My Mom told me a few thing about what Medina said, and I want to know more. She really thinks property taxes should go away and just raise the sales tax?

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Who is worth a shit? My Mom told me a few thing about what Medina said, and I want to know more. She really thinks property taxes should go away and just raise the sales tax?
Yes. What is your issue with that? I think she's the least qualified out of all of them, but I also think she'll do the best job for the State. She's got great ideas, tough stance on illegal immigration, and is pro open carry. So far, I haven't heard or read a single thing I don't like about her. Perry is a spineless pussy, I'm done with him and his toll roads, and Hutchinson is a career politician. For that matter, so is Perry. Both of them are as crooked as scoliosis.
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she actually says she is going to lower the sales tax from like 6.25 to 6.1.

im calling for the big medina win myself.i've been putting out signs and talking with folks for 2 days now.i have found no perry or kay supporters yet!

only downfall is not many know much about medina.

bastrop,fayette,and lee counties are covered in medina signs!

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I'd like to see Hutchison quit and see if the 29% is split or if most of it goes to Medina.

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I'd like to see Hutchison quit and see if the 29% is split or if most of it goes to Medina.
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I'm sick of Perry... KBH isn't much better, my vote is going to Medina in the primary for sure.

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she actually says she is going to lower the sales tax from like 6.25 to 6.1.
No property tax, and sales tax would go up from, like 8.25% to 8.8%

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your correct.i missed that.

who sounds like they know what they are talking about in this debate?

perry= defensive?

kay= old and scattered?

medina = sharp as a tack?


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If Medina understands the constitution, and it looks like she does, then that is good enough IMO.
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and is pro open carry.
Really? I don't like that idea. Still on the top on my list though.
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medinas problem in texas democrats, they dont have a chance in hell at winning, so they are going to vote republican and most of them are going to side with Perry because after all he use to be a democrat.

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Yes. What is your issue with that? I think she's the least qualified out of all of them, but I also think she'll do the best job for the State. She's got great ideas, tough stance on illegal immigration, and is pro open carry. So far, I haven't heard or read a single thing I don't like about her. Perry is a spineless pussy, I'm done with him and his toll roads, and Hutchinson is a career politician. For that matter, so is Perry. Both of them are as crooked as scoliosis.
No issue at all! That is a awesome idea, and I fully support it! Where can I get some signs?

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Im hoping these polls arent picking up everything. I have been seeing a good bit of feedback and following for Medina. I hope she pulls a surprise upset.

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i have been impressed by medina.
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Even if Medina doesn't win the primary, she comes out way ahead for another shot in four years.

She is the reason we will be looking at a run off in the primary. Hutchinson will have to buy off her support by supporting some of her ideas. It will force Hutchinson to move politically right (even if its a little bit).

I also think Medina could very well find herself in Hutchinsons Senate seat.

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Who is worth a shit? My Mom told me a few thing about what Medina said, and I want to know more. She really thinks property taxes should go away and just raise the sales tax?
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I am tired of people claiming Medina or others like her are not qualified for the job. The fact that she hasn't been in Austin or D.C. makes her plenty qualified IMO since the other two choices have been there and have done nothing to earn my vote.

On the national political scene I will probably vote for someone who is not an incumbent and/or has been voting conservatively all along.

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If I was the one asking questions, I would tell them point blank to answer the question and leave all the fluff out of it. Its aggravating how they dodge answering questions directly.
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Why are you against open carry?

I personally would never do it, concealed only, but I have no problem if open carry was legal.
I want open carry, but I don't want forced open carry. I want to be able to still conceal. Be careful what you wish for, she may try to do away with conceal. Not saying I know that for a fact, but some states have that. Where "thou shalt not conceal". It's fucking gay as hell.

But yeah perry is a spineless coward, and I'm tired of his do-nothing policies and his liberalism. Hutchinson... she may be half decent but I am pro term limits, and I'm tired of career politicians.

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One thing to consider: that 16% for Medina is energized and almost certain to vote. What percentage of status quo Perry and Hutchinson voters are actually going to bother to show up for a primary? I’m not predicting a Medina victory but she will pull a substantially higher number than she’s polling. She’s got my vote.
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One thing to consider: that 16% for Medina is energized and almost certain to vote. What percentage of status quo Perry and Hutchinson voters are actually going to bother to show up for a primary? I’m not predicting a Medina victory but she will pull a substantially higher number than she’s polling. She’s got my vote.
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She's got my vote. I don't know how they ever passed a bullshit "property tax" to begin with. Under no circumstance whatsoever should the government ever be able to take away a property that has been paid for. Period. Who is the fucking jackoff that got that going? I hope he suffered painfully before he died.

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If I was the one asking questions, I would tell them point blank to answer the question and leave all the fluff out of it. Its aggravating how they dodge answering questions directly.
fluff = complacent and/or washington politics.

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I am tired of people claiming Medina or others like her are not qualified for the job. The fact that she hasn't been in Austin or D.C. makes her plenty qualified IMO since the other two choices have been there and have done nothing to earn my vote.

On the national political scene I will probably vote for someone who is not an incumbent and/or has been voting conservatively all along.

I say vote for Medina, and vote often.

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I'd love to see the national reaction if we got rid of property taxes and property stayed yours after it was paid for period.
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the other 49 would jump on-board asap I'm sure.

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The small poll aside that article is interesting:

If you're voting Republican, who would you vote for if the gubernatorial election were held today?
Rick Perry Kay Bailey Hutchison Debra Medina

Rick Perry (21%, 440 votes)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (17%, 353 votes)
Debra Medina (62%, 1301 votes)
Total votes: 2094
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The small poll aside that article is interesting:

If you're voting Republican, who would you vote for if the gubernatorial election were held today?
Rick Perry Kay Bailey Hutchison Debra Medina

Rick Perry (21%, 440 votes)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (17%, 353 votes)
Debra Medina (62%, 1301 votes)
Total votes: 2094
Very interesting, and quite promising for Medina. God I hope she gets in. I'd absolutely LOVE to get rid of my property taxes.


I will say though, I want to see more behind her idea. How would the tax be spread out? For instance, Keller, Highland Park, etc. Who makes the decision on what money goes to which district, etc?
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Very interesting, and quite promising for Medina. God I hope she gets in. I'd absolutely LOVE to get rid of my property taxes.


I will say though, I want to see more behind her idea. How would the tax be spread out? For instance, Keller, Highland Park, etc. Who makes the decision on what money goes to which district, etc?
How is it spread out now? I would imagine by population..?

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The small poll aside that article is interesting:

If you're voting Republican, who would you vote for if the gubernatorial election were held today?
Rick Perry Kay Bailey Hutchison Debra Medina

Rick Perry (21%, 440 votes)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (17%, 353 votes)
Debra Medina (62%, 1301 votes)
Total votes: 2094
What's the voting percentage a candidate would need to win without a runoff? 51%.

That would be crazy if she gained like Larry Brown and actually did this on Mar 2nd.

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How is it spread out now? I would imagine by population..?
I could be wrong, but I always assumed by county, since the school tax comes from property tax. I'm not sure how it's dispersed beyond that.
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I have not seen one Perry or Hutchison sign in my neighborhood but I have seen multiple Medina signs. I am in the process of getting one myself.

I am predicting a Medina landslide.

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I could be wrong, but I always assumed by county, since the school tax comes from property tax. I'm not sure how it's dispersed beyond that.
It isn't. Look up the Robin Hood plan. Money from wealthy school districts is stolen from them and sent to South Texas districts that have nothing. That is why school tax rates are so high in South Lake, they are paying to educate a bunch of illegal aliens in south Texas as well as funding one of the best school districts in the state.

I think her property tax idea is shit and I will never believe that an increase of only .55% in the sales tax rate will cover the abolition of property taxes.

Here is why it makes no sense from my own perspective.
-I pay $4400 a year in property taxes
-I pay roughly $1000 to $1100 a year in sales taxes. Barring a special purchase like a car.
-An increase of .55% is a ~6.67% increase in my sales taxes (if we don't include her additional items, which really means "food").
-6.67% of my sales tax amount is roughly $75 a year

Ask yourself how many people we need paying an extra $75 per year to make up for the $4400 the system loses by abolishing property taxes. I calculate that to be 58 people. Let's pretend she quadruples the increase in revenue if she taxes groceries and some other things. We still need a substantial amount of people paying an increase in sales taxes to cover what the system loses just because of me.

I just don't see it happening. Don't get me wrong though, it would be awesome if it did!
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I have not seen one Perry or Hutchison sign in my neighborhood but I have seen multiple Medina signs. I am in the process of getting one myself.

I am predicting a Medina landslide.
That would be pretty sweet

I wished Medina would kick her advertisements up a shitload to help get the word out. I'd put money on Perry winning it on his name recognition, alone. All I hear on the Amarillo talk radio stations is ads for Rick and Kay. I've only heard one Medina ad, since they began.

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I wished Medina would kick her advertisements up a shitload to help get the word out. I'd put money on Perry winning it on his name recognition, alone. All I hear on the Amarillo talk radio stations is ads for Rick and Kay. I've only heard one Medina ad, since they began.
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It isn't. Look up the Robin Hood plan. Money from wealthy school districts is stolen from them and sent to South Texas districts that have nothing. That is why school tax rates are so high in South Lake, they are paying to educate a bunch of illegal aliens in south Texas as well as funding one of the best school districts in the state.

I think her property tax idea is shit and I will never believe that an increase of only .55% in the sales tax rate will cover the abolition of property taxes.

Here is why it makes no sense from my own perspective.
-I pay $4400 a year in property taxes
-I pay roughly $1000 to $1100 a year in sales taxes. Barring a special purchase like a car.
-An increase of .55% is a ~6.67% increase in my sales taxes (if we don't include her additional items, which really means "food").
-6.67% of my sales tax amount is roughly $75 a year

Ask yourself how many people we need paying an extra $75 per year to make up for the $4400 the system loses by abolishing property taxes. I calculate that to be 58 people. Let's pretend she quadruples the increase in revenue if she taxes groceries and some other things. We still need a substantial amount of people paying an increase in sales taxes to cover what the system loses just because of me.

I just don't see it happening. Don't get me wrong though, it would be awesome if it did!
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This have anything useful in it Alan?

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If all the people talking about voting for her will actually show up like the drones did for Obama she will have a chance. If the turnout is low for her because people talk a good game but don't follow through she won't have a chance.

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It isn't. Look up the Robin Hood plan. Money from wealthy school districts is stolen from them and sent to South Texas districts that have nothing. That is why school tax rates are so high in South Lake, they are paying to educate a bunch of illegal aliens in south Texas as well as funding one of the best school districts in the state.

I think her property tax idea is shit and I will never believe that an increase of only .55% in the sales tax rate will cover the abolition of property taxes.

Here is why it makes no sense from my own perspective.
-I pay $4400 a year in property taxes
-I pay roughly $1000 to $1100 a year in sales taxes. Barring a special purchase like a car.
-An increase of .55% is a ~6.67% increase in my sales taxes (if we don't include her additional items, which really means "food").
-6.67% of my sales tax amount is roughly $75 a year

Ask yourself how many people we need paying an extra $75 per year to make up for the $4400 the system loses by abolishing property taxes. I calculate that to be 58 people. Let's pretend she quadruples the increase in revenue if she taxes groceries and some other things. We still need a substantial amount of people paying an increase in sales taxes to cover what the system loses just because of me.

I just don't see it happening. Don't get me wrong though, it would be awesome if it did!
You're right, if stupid ass spending on their part remains the same. From the way she talked though... I kinda gather that she intends to spend less money period. If this were the case, then the taxes they got from a bump in sales tax would probly be sufficient. She talks like she is an actual true conservative, if thats true then she would be looking to spend a lot less money on the whole.

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Yes. What is your issue with that? I think she's the least qualified out of all of them, but I also think she'll do the best job for the State. She's got great ideas, tough stance on illegal immigration, and is pro open carry. So far, I haven't heard or read a single thing I don't like about her. Perry is a spineless pussy, I'm done with him and his toll roads, and Hutchinson is a career politician. For that matter, so is Perry. Both of them are as crooked as scoliosis.
Kay Bailey is a BISH and her POS son was arrested a few times, but guess what? He was never filed on by the DA because of mommy.

I want some new blood, and Medina sounds good, but I don't want change enough to vote in another Obama to Austin.
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