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I'm watching Sec. Gates and Sen. McCain are duking it out over its repeal. I can't believe Gates is such a punk. He is siding with Obama no matter what.

What good can come of this? Fucking retards.
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I agree, nothing good can come of this. What a bunch of horseshit.
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It is intended as a means to shrink our military from people retiring (not wanting to work with openly gay soldiers) and lowering recruitment.

I expect obama to cause some kind of racial issue in our armed services soon, to cause another mass exodus and reduce our military forces even further.

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Adm. Mullen is on the Bama wagon Guys, we're going to have pink berets. I call the loss right now.
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Wait untill a gay Marine comes outs and guys in his squad kill him.
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I don't get the whole thing. If you're in the armed forces, its about serving your country. Not coming to terms with your "identity".

WTF with housing? Separate quarters for men, women, and gays?

The only point I can see with this is kowtowing to the liberal far left and nothing else.

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does it really matter? you join the military to serve your country.

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does it really matter? you join the military to serve your country.
It does. Why bring more issues and distractions to an already stressful military environment?
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It does. Why bring more issues and distractions to an already stressful military environment?
QFT, I was having a conversation with ranking members of the Infantry community this morning and an O7 stated "I would rather have females" I laughed my ass off. Let the Military decide!!
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Here's my question:
Are there really enough gays wanting to defend the country, or are they just trying to get a scholarship and sleep next to their sexual fantasy while they do it?

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Here's my question:
Are there really enough gays wanting to defend the country, or are they just trying to get a scholarship and sleep next to their sexual fantasy while they do it?
There's enough of that on BOTH sides of the fence and it shows.
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What is wrong with dont ask dont tell. This policy allows gays to join.. just don't tell. It comes down to them wanting more rights because they are different.

Just like people at TCU wanting a gay only dorm... you are just alienating yourself which proves you just want recognition not fair treatment.
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What is wrong with dont ask dont tell. This policy allows gays to join.. just don't tell. It comes down to them wanting more rights because they are different.

Just like people at TCU wanting a gay only dorm... you are just alienating yourself which proves you just want recognition not fair treatment.
Right. As McCain said, "It's not perfect, but it's effective."
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does it really matter? you join the military to serve your country.
Yes. It does.

If kids in war arm more concerned that are serving with a fag than they are taking out the enemy, then we have big problems.

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It does. Why bring more issues and distractions to an already stressful military environment?
150 years ago blacks could not join the military, does anyone still agree with that?
its the world we live in, I dont care what you do for a living there are queers in every business, they have been in the military all this time with out any problems. this legislation has nothing to do with keeping gays out of the military, it is legal for gays to be in the military, they just can not call them selves gay.

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150 years ago blacks could not join the military, does anyone still agree with that?
its the world we live in, I dont care what you do for a living there are queers in every business, they have been in the military all this time with out any problems. this legislation has nothing to do with keeping gays out of the military, it is legal for gays to be in the military, they just can not call them selves gay.
So why must they label themselves?
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So why must they label themselves?
They shouldn't have to, that's the whole point. I think don't ask don't tell is a great policy, and even if it isn't, there is more important shit to address right now.
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They shouldn't have to, that's the whole point. I think don't ask don't tell is a great policy, and even if it isn't, there is more important shit to address right now.
Exactly.

The don't ask don't tell policy keeps them from labeling themselves.
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I don't really care if a homo wants to come out of the closet and deal with the shit he's gunna get and work on a c130 or shuffle papers around. But they damn sure need to be excluded from combat jobs for the same reason as women. You won't be able to keep the same level of good order and discipline and that is the MOST important thing in the military!
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I have never been in the military, but have always assumed that part of the training is to remove individualism in soldiers to promote unity and synchronization in combat situations. It would seem this would be counter to that training.

It is still my opinion that this is obama's way of killing two birds with one stone: to cause internal discourse in our military to reduce its numbers, and to appeal to homosexuals in a effort to regain support.

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does it really matter? you join the military to serve your country.
Do you realize that in the Navy, Guys have to share the same bunk, have mass showers, etc... I know many of them would not feel comfortable if they had to serve with a faggot.

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Do you realize that in the Navy, Guys have to share the same bunk, have mass showers, etc... I know many of them would not feel comfortable if they had to serve with a faggot.
This is true,

The don't ask don't tell is great, I for one could care less if you're gay I just don't want to know about it. The next thing you know some fuck stick will be on the news saying he was beat up and mistreated because he's gay. Now he is on the gov. tit for life. Just one less thing this country needs right now.

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This rule is stupid. Homosexuals can join and serve right now with no recourse. Who you like to have sex with has zero to do with how you fight, and the military has acknowledged this. Don't Ask Don't Tell allowed them everything they need. If you want to separate yourself as special the military is not for you.

Pretty much an echo in here though.

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I agree with whoever said its just one more thing in an already stressful military environment. I wouldnt feel comfortable living with a gay guy in close quarters for long periods of time to be honest. If they want to serve and have the discipline to keep their private life private than so be it.

When I was going through training there was a guy that was gay, he didnt "realize'' it till he was in and it caused alot of problems, including him messing around with another Marine who was to drunk to know what was going on and later on down the road threatening to kill himself because he was being alienated. It quickly became pretty common knowledge that he was a homosexual. He ended up getting adsep'd

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If gays are allowed to go into combat, there will be some fragging (note I didnt say fagging) going on. Oops, PFC Lovelace didnt make it.
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Under DADT could a Homosexual be fired/discharged if their superiors found out? I am wondering if that is the real difference, that now they would not be fired.

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does it really matter? you join the military to serve your country.
Yes, it really does. Im sorry, but i don't feel like showering near a gay man.
I dont know if you've ever used community showers, but some are very open.

For example, at Airborne school the barracks are ancient. The showers are tiny, and there is alot of dudes. You end up standing about 2 feet apart. How would you feel showering 2 feet from an openly gay guy, and hes checking you out?

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Harrison is afraid he would get an erection with a gay man checking him out...and then his secret would be out!
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Good one? I guess you got me?

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We had a guy who was gay but wasn't out about it. It was just all his mannerisms and eventually he admitted to it. After a quick "walk in the woods", he decided he wasn't afterall and it was all a misunderstanding.

If you're in the military you don't need to go dancing around saying you're gay no more than I do about being straight. I agree with don't ask don't tell
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I didn't give a shit when I was in the Army and as a vet I still don't give a shit. Just a few points..

- Flamboyantly gay people will not join and won't last if they do. The military is still very conformist in nature.

- You still won't see a lot of gays coming out of the closet. From what I've seen, being gay is a PITA from a social standpoint (pun not intended).

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Under DADT could a Homosexual be fired/discharged if their superiors found out? I am wondering if that is the real difference, that now they would not be fired.
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I am honestly ok with this .... but with conditions.

-Gays, and women can not serve in a combat arms capacity.
-Gays must not share a barracks room with a straight man. This is to include basic and AIT.
-Gay men are to receive no special PT scale.
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Under DADT could a Homosexual be fired/discharged if their superiors found out? I am wondering if that is the real difference, that now they would not be fired.
I think the only way you can get a chapter out under DADT is if you tell someone, not if they find out.
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its the world we live in, I dont care what you do for a living there are queers in every business, they have been in the military all this time with out any problems. this legislation has nothing to do with keeping gays out of the military, it is legal for gays to be in the military, they just can not call them selves gay.
Being in combat means operating as a team. Any distraction that takes away from that can get people killed.
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Different units? Men and women can be in the same unit...
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I am honestly ok with this .... but with conditions.

-Gays, and women can not serve in a combat arms capacity.
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-Gay men are to receive no special PT scale.
Not you are talking about making more consessions to ANOTHER group. More of everything. Nothing good will come of this. Period.

One of these posts was right about Obama's attempt to reduce the military. When the news spoke of it this morning in the DFAC, you could tell the demeanor of everyone there. Way to fuck up something that wasn't broken.
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Different units? Men and women can be in the same unit...
I knew that too, stupid post on my part.

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Not you are talking about making more consessions to ANOTHER group. More of everything. Nothing good will come of this. Period.

One of these posts was right about Obama's attempt to reduce the military. When the news spoke of it this morning in the DFAC, you could tell the demeanor of everyone there. Way to fuck up something that wasn't broken.
I don't think that it is too much to ask to bar gays from combat arms or share living quarters with straight soldiers. I would be furious if they came up with a separate set of height weight, and PT requirements.

As far as the job restrictions and the living arrangements, this is nothing that we don't already do for females. I don't see how it would be a hardship. If a soldier is found to be gay and deceived the military about it so they could remain with the straight troops I think they should receive a bad conduct or dishonorable and be on there way.

I agree that it is not a wise decision to let gays in openly but it is going to happen eventually. It is naive to think other wise. I think that the best way to go about it is to find the least disruptive path possible and execute a well laid out plan to integrate the gays with minimal fuss.

For the record I am not advocating what Obama is doing, just looking at it from a rational standpoint. I don't think that gays should be able to serve openly but like I said, it is going to happen one day. Best to make it happen in a controlled manner.
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so gay people can not be trusted in a fight?

you all are full of yourself with the shower fear, there is a much better chance he isn't in to you at all than checking you out. now if he touched you while showering then you can be worried that he is about to take your manhood, I bet you guys in the service now have at one point and time showered with a gay man, and never knew it.


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I don't think that it is too much to ask to bar gays from combat arms or share living quarters with straight soldiers. I would be furious if they came up with a separate set of height weight, and PT requirements.

As far as the job restrictions and the living arrangements, this is nothing that we don't already do for females. I don't see how it would be a hardship. If a soldier is found to be gay and deceived the military about it so they could remain with the straight troops I think they should receive a bad conduct or dishonorable and be on there way.

I agree that it is not a wise decision to let gays in openly but it is going to happen eventually. It is naive to think other wise. I think that the best way to go about it is to find the least disruptive path possible and execute a well laid out plan to integrate the gays with minimal fuss.

For the record I am not advocating what Obama is doing, just looking at it from a rational standpoint. I don't think that gays should be able to serve openly but like I said, it is going to happen one day. Best to make it happen in a controlled manner.
Because being gay is a choice, your gender isn't. Females have been useful and are needed because they are females (take for instance searching another female). When is the last time your heard, "Hey, can someone get a fag over here to take care of this?"
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so gay people can not be trusted in a fight?

you all are full of yourself with the shower fear, there is a much better chance he isn't in to you at all than checking you out. now if he touched you while showering then you can be worried that he is about to take your manhood, I bet you guys in the service now have at one point and time showered with a gay man, and never knew it.


the new look REP loves the homophobic ways here...lol so sad that we as a whole are still so narrow minded to be worried about things like race, religion, S/O etc... when it should be about who the person is and what they believe. I think some of you all are more worried that the gay guy might be a better fighter and make you the man's man look bad.
Jeez... this guy has to have everything dumbed down and explained to him...

Gays are more than welcomed and allowed in the military. Anyone who says otherwise is just discriminating, which is total crap. Just don't let that lifestyle cause a distraction. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Because being gay is a choice,
If I recall some of them have it hard wired into them. Call it a genetic defect. Also something else to think about, joining the military is a choice as well.


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your gender isn't. Females have been useful and are needed because they are females (take for instance searching another female). When is the last time your heard, "Hey, can someone get a fag over here to take care of this?"
You sure would get called on a lot.

In all seriousness, I think there will be a use for gays. I wouldnt have any issue with a gay being in a support role. In all honesty it might make the food a bit better. Some of those fags sure can cook.
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Jeez... this guy has to have everything dumbed down and explained to him...

Gays are more than welcomed and allowed in the military. Anyone who says otherwise is just discriminating, which is total crap. Just don't let that lifestyle cause a distraction. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less.
lol...are you serious, do you think they are going to be dancing around in tights singing chic songs? they are still under the same rules as the others and if they don't do what they are told they get punished, like the others would. this comes down to you(those that mention things like the shower) being afraid of gay people and some fantasy you have of them wanting you.

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