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Cap & Trade = $.77 more per gallon of fuel... and that's only the beginning.

While I generally don't post this kind of info, we simply cannot stand by and allow this one to slip by...

As Galen pointed out a few weeks ago, these bastards are really getting ready to put the screws to the American public with this legislation.

http://www.capitolconnect.com/voices...y/default.aspx

Please take a moment and review this link and if you feel it necessary, fill in your info to send off the letter to your Congress person.

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Damn, .77 a gallon?? That means it will cost me an additionally around $27 every time my tank is near empty and I want to fill it up.

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It's a complete bs tax scam. A lot of other things will be getting price hikes also when this goes down.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Death of the muscle car daily driver, as we know it. Is that just in taxes, or plus how much more gas will inflate after they tax the fuck out of the Gas Companies.

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All of this fucking shit really pisses me off. We pay enough damn taxes. I'm getting tired of supporting lazy fucks that choose to suck off the government tit.
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So I'll be going from $60 to $90 per fill up, which is twice a week. That's only an extra $240 a month, no big deal...




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Bullets = cheaper than BS fuel tax...

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.77 a cents in gas is probably $1+ in diesel.

Energy costs work as a multiplier - Your finished product will include fertilizer costs (made from oil), diesel costs to run the tractor in the field, natural gas costs for the electricity to process the produce in a factory, and more diesel costs for the truck that delivers it to market - cost is added at every step. That cost compounds into the final price that you and I pay at the supermarket.

So, you can look for that .77/gallon to translate into much higher costs for food. Much higher.

And it will lead to business failures of small trucking companies, and will put financial pressure on every industry that uses fuel - trucking, airline, and so on.

And the old people on fixed incomes are really in a tough spot.

And the "fuel surcharges" that we all remember will reappear on everything from shipping a package to taking a flight.

Not to mention that filling up your car will cost more too.

Anyone getting a raise these days? Didn't think so. Obama is an idiot for pushing for this, in the middle of a recession.
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.77 a cents in gas is probably $1+ in diesel.

Energy costs work as a multiplier - Your finished product will include fertilizer costs (made from oil), diesel costs to run the tractor in the field, natural gas costs for the electricity to process the produce in a factory, and more diesel costs for the truck that delivers it to market - cost is added at every step. That cost compounds into the final price that you and I pay at the supermarket.

So, you can look for that .77/gallon to translate into much higher costs for food. Much higher.

And it will lead to business failures of small trucking companies, and will put financial pressure on every industry that uses fuel - trucking, airline, and so on.

And the old people on fixed incomes are really in a tough spot.

And the "fuel surcharges" that we all remember will reappear on everything from shipping a package to taking a flight.

Not to mention that filling up your car will cost more too.

Anyone getting a raise these days? Didn't think so.

That's really depressing when you put it like that.

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This will put America into another recession or depression.
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Bullets = cheaper than BS fuel tax...
How about the better numbers I heard today....$14 Billion to count 300 million people. That's going to cost $46 per person to just send/receive and count a letter. The Postal Service could do that for $0.88 for fucksake!!!!



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Anyone getting a raise these days? Didn't think so. Obama is an idiot for pushing for this, in the middle of a recession.
Well, one way to end a recession is to create a depression right?! LOL!!!



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What I don't understand is, what is the actual end outcome that they are trying to achieve? Somewhere in all the bullshit, lies the truth. That they will never be able to change. So what is it? I mean, I know they want more money. But for what? Is our government that fucking broke? If you look at the sheer amount of money they take in every day, it's staggering. What in the fuck could they want all this extra money for? Are they trying to like tripple the size of the military or something?

The GF kinda helped me understand a little more than I did previously, the other day. She is a nurse, and has worked a several nursing homes over the last five years. She switched jobs a few times due to moving and schooling. Well, at each one she was one of the many people who fills out the paperwork on the financing of all the old people there. She said that it's her estimation that out of the 4 nursing homes she has worked at, (including the current one) the percentage of residents living there on government funding is around 85%. She says the bills of one resident living there for one month is roughly $6000. Maybe a little more, maybe a little less. But a lot more if that resident has to go to the hospital or has any problems. The nursing home she is working at now has 60 residents. So that's $6,000, x 60, x 12 for one year.

Now who is paying for all this? You and me. No one else, just all us taxpayers. The costs are just too high for average joe blow to pay for his granny or his mom or dad or whoever. I certainly can't afford to pay no six grand a month for my granny to be in there for 5 or six years. Can you? And just think of all the nursing homes, all across the nation. They are nothing but a drain on all of us. But if we stopped paying for that, then who takes care of all the damn old people?
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I don't understand the need for this. Our carbon output is way down this year, thanks to the economy. Why do we need to be pushed further toward inactivity?

Give me a dollar.
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Please oh please let the tipping point come sooner than later. I will breathe a huge sigh of relief, and feel more comfortable about my children's future, if there's a revolution.

Running a small business throws many hurdles & obstacles in my day to day life, but it's all child's play compared to the frustration I feel about the direction of the US & how our elected officials are a mixed bag of puppets, crooks, and crooked puppets.

Why is it that all legislation seems to either erode civil liberties (or be the vehicle for it), or line someone's pockets?

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Is our government that fucking broke?
Yes, yes they are. If it wasnt for china this country would have gone to complete shit years ago. Instead we borrowed to keep things going and prolonged the unavoidable diasaster. The government is no longer working to make the country better for its people, all it cares about is fat cats and big business which will destroy this country. GDP doesnt mean shit when your own people are jobless and broke as hell.

China has successfully circumvented all of americas military might by using our own "free trade" economy against us. We are screwed cause they wont take the drastic steps required to get america back to where it can produce goods to allow it pay off its debt.

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I don't understand the need for this. Our carbon output is way down this year, thanks to the economy. Why do we need to be pushed further toward inactivity?
C O N T R O L

That is all they want.

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C O N T R O L

That is all they want.
THIS! They can print all the money they want, they are just after complete control, and a police state.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Please oh please let the tipping point come sooner than later. I will breathe a huge sigh of relief, and feel more comfortable about my children's future, if there's a revolution.

Running a small business throws many hurdles & obstacles in my day to day life, but it's all child's play compared to the frustration I feel about the direction of the US & how our elected officials are a mixed bag of puppets, crooks, and crooked puppets.

Why is it that all legislation seems to either erode civil liberties (or be the vehicle for it), or line someone's pockets?
my thoughts exactly.been feeling that way for a few years now.the feeling only gets worse.

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Yes, yes they are. If it wasnt for china this country would have gone to complete shit years ago. Instead we borrowed to keep things going and prolonged the unavoidable diasaster. The government is no longer working to make the country better for its people, all it cares about is fat cats and big business which will destroy this country. GDP doesnt mean shit when your own people are jobless and broke as hell.

China has successfully circumvented all of americas military might by using our own "free trade" economy against us. We are screwed cause they wont take the drastic steps required to get america back to where it can produce goods to allow it pay off its debt.
so china has kept us from going to shit, or caused us to go to shit? make up your mind

its still "we the people"right?

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so china has kept us from going to shit, or caused us to go to shit? make up your mind
quite a dilemma i know haha

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