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Erasing obama's mistakes

I dont know too much about politics and have been more recently paying attention. Alot of the bills being passed nowadays are becoming more and more aggravating to me. I dont understand the complete dumbass mentality of our current politicians.

My question is when this asshat is out of the office, will the new president be able to overturn these bills that have been passed? For example...

The healthcare plan
The bailout for GM
The possible cap n trade
The bills that destroy our Energy industry
And others thst I dont feel like typing out on my phone

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Not what I wanted to hear, but thanks for letting me know

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Presidents are nothing more Then puppets for a world/nation government.

Think of it this way,

you go to burger king and your burger Is cold, you go back and speak to the cashier, AKA the supreme court. You are not satisfied with the cashiers inability to compensate for your inconveince. So you ask for the manager. AKA the president. He gets you your compensation and makes you happy until next time your burger is cold. But never in this situation to you talk to the franchise owner of burger king.

Meaning, there Is higher power to the government that you will never see.

Thus, the new president after Obama will do the same thing, promise to upheld the constitution and restore rights and liberty, but when they get elected do nothing more then the opposite.

I sense a something big in history will take place within the next 50-100 years concerning the USA government, and the world. WW3 is an understatement.

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When the damage is done, the damage is done.........
I'm not quite so fatalistic. It would be extremely difficult to change those bills should they pass, but they can be modified, funding can be cut off, and amendments can change a lot of them. It's much easier if they never pass, but it's not impoosible to change them. It is of utmost importance that the Dems lose those majorities they have in the house and senate. That's the first thing that needs to happen.

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The healthcare plan: If it becomes law, it will be impossible to get rid of. However it CAN be modified.

The bailout for GM: It's over. The money has been spent. $30billion is going to be lost to GM and Chrysler's bankruptcies. BTW, why single out GM? We're on the hook for TRILLIONS that were loaned to the banks and insurance companies.

The possible cap n trade: If it passes, there is nothing that we'll be able to do to mitigate it. Goldman Sach's is pushing for this shit because they'll make a fortune over it. They OWN our government.

The bills that destroy our Energy industry: That primarily Cap and Trade. They have no intention of giving breaks to coal mining or any generating plants that use it for fuel. If cap and trade passes, they (and we) are fucked. I foresee even more tomfoolery with the energy industry as Obama and his bitches continue their efforts in enrich their financial backers under the guise of saving the Earth.
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No one has pointed out yet that we have 3 MORE years(atleast) of these bullshit fucks screwing everything up....
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No one has pointed out yet that we have 3 MORE years(atleast) of these bullshit fucks screwing everything up....
True, but in less than a year, we have a real chance to put it to an end. Just watch how much of a Moderate Obama becomes when he has to deal with a Republican controlled House and Senate.

BTW, I'm not putting any faith in the Republicans to do anything right when they get into office. They helped create the cluster fuck we are seeing now with their own mismanagement of our government.
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the healthcare bill/plan will be ever changing, the current plan could not go into effect before 2014, so its likely that we will be debating how to change it before it actually goes into effect. the bail out for GM was going to happen either way. the energy bill is coming up this year, and it going to put coal producing states against natural gas producing states.

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the healthcare bill/plan will be ever changing, the current plan could not go into effect before 2014, so its likely that we will be debating how to change it before it actually goes into effect. the bail out for GM was going to happen either way. the energy bill is coming up this year, and it going to put coal producing states against natural gas producing states.
I'd have to disagree on that point.

Because ALL states have a large portion of their electrical generation from coal plants. Texas is not a coal state but more than half of our electricity comes from coal.

And don't think Natural Gas is in the clear either. The EPA is reviewing pollution levels from natural gas production from shale (like the Barnett Shale). There could (and probably should) be some significant regulation coming down on that subject..
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BTW, I'm not putting any faith in the Republicans to do anything right when they get into office. They helped create the cluster fuck we are seeing now with their own mismanagement of our government.
This is all everyone needs to know. The same old shit, just a different looking puppet.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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This is all everyone needs to know. The same old shit, just a different looking puppet.
What do you suggest is the answer? Not "pie-in-the-sky" BS, but the solution?

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What do you suggest is the answer? Not "pie-in-the-sky" BS, but the solution?
Not much you can do if the electorate isn't willing to keep their elected officials accountable.

Frankly the only way to START to deal with this is to clean house with a new.... well House in the Congress.

Long term the real solution is to kill the influence of lobbyists. IMO the only way I can fathom to do that is to pay for elections with tax dollars only. No campaign contributions at all. I have no idea how one might do this right but it might help require a certain number of signatures before you can qualify for federal dollars. But that is probably pie in the sky.
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Not much you can do if the electorate isn't willing to keep their elected officials accountable.

Frankly the only way to START to deal with this is to clean house with a new.... well House in the Congress.

Long term the real solution is to kill the influence of lobbyists. IMO the only way I can fathom to do that is to pay for elections with tax dollars only. No campaign contributions at all. I have no idea how one might do this right but it might help require a certain number of signatures before you can qualify for federal dollars. But that is probably pie in the sky.
I'm actually pretty proud of the reaction our citizens (some of them) have had since the Barry/Pelosi/Reid takeover. The grass root efforts don't go unnoticed. The administration may try to pooh-pooh them away, but you can't argue with the results of the more recent local elections that show a true distaste for whats going on in the house/senate.

I guess my point in that question, was that I'm tired of "gloom-and-doom" rhetoric, and I'd like some answers from the skeptics from other "parties". It reminds me of the very same people that thought, "It can't get any worse than Bush". [email protected] LOL!

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What do you suggest is the answer? Not "pie-in-the-sky" BS, but the solution?
I wish I had the perfect answer, but I don't. I can tell you where we could make a great start though. We could first get The Federal Reserve thrown out of this country. IMO public hangings need to be brought back. If we don't show the people in control that we won't tolerate nonsense and lies they'll continue to do it to us. I honestly believe we've passed the point to correct the system, and now we'll have to endure a complete dismantling of our economy and country. When the dollar crashes, and the economic situation is in shambles people will start to pay attention, but of course that will be way too late. I think we are going to hit bottom first, and then we either become part of a world currency/NWO type deal, or we regain our independence and throw banks out of the political equation once and for all.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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I'd have to disagree on that point.

Because ALL states have a large portion of their electrical generation from coal plants. Texas is not a coal state but more than half of our electricity comes from coal.

And don't think Natural Gas is in the clear either. The EPA is reviewing pollution levels from natural gas production from shale (like the Barnett Shale). There could (and probably should) be some significant regulation coming down on that subject..
it does not matter what energy people use, the politicians are going to back what ever is being produced in their states, its about money, not the environment.

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it does not matter what energy people use, the politicians are going to back what ever is being produced in their states, its about money, not the environment.
And you don't think TXU and other utility companies that use coal plants have money?
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True, but in less than a year, we have a real chance to put it to an end. Just watch how much of a Moderate Obama becomes when he has to deal with a Republican controlled House and Senate.

BTW, I'm not putting any faith in the Republicans to do anything right when they get into office. They helped create the cluster fuck we are seeing now with their own mismanagement of our government.
Let's hope there are some Tea Party Republicans and some true conservative Republicans that get into Congress to help Obama see the light.

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And you don't think TXU and other utility companies that use coal plants have money?
most definitely, all the energy companies are going to try and buy the politicians on this one. we saw it back in june with the climate change bill, the coal lobby was able to buy enough votes in congress and it ended up being a a big pay day for them.

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The wonderful thing about government programs and initiatives is that once they're enacted they rarely contract in size or end; they simply get bigger and bigger and bigger.

Man, the government is just awesome!

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