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Anyone see a correlation??

NOTICE HOW ALL OF THE STATES ARE LIBERAL.....

WONDER WHY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THESE STATES IN DROVES.....HMMMM......


http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate...are-not-moving


1. California


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Los Angeles

Net loss: 98,798 residents

For years more people have fled the Golden State than have arrived. In the year ended July 1, California was the country's biggest loser, with nearly 100,000 more residents leaving than moving in.

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Still, that was an improvement over earlier losses: In 2006 the net decline was 313,081.

Much of that improvement came from the housing bubble bursting. Homes became harder to sell as thousands of foreclosures sat on the market. As a result, many Californians stayed on rather than sell their homes at a loss.

Mobility in the weak economy has declined in general, according to demographer Greg Harper of the Census Bureau. There's no point in moving to find work if few jobs are available in most parts of the country.

2. New York


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Long Island, NY

Net loss: 98,178 residents

Like California, New York is, historically, a major exporter of it citizens. The state depends upon foreign migration for its population growth. But also like California, New York's out-migration eased in the year ended July 1.

In 2006, nearly a quarter million more people left the state than moved in, two and a half times the 2009 total.

The state has not gone through the same housing crisis that engulfed bubble states. The unemployment rate is lower than the nation as a whole and foreclosure problems have been relatively minor.

Still, New York is the decade's biggest loser: The state a total of 1,686,583 residents, more than anywhere else.

3. Michigan


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Detroit

Net loss: 87,339 residents

Not only is Michigan third highest in the nation for net migration losses, it also has this dubious distinction: 0.88% of the Great Lakes State's nearly 10 million residents left last year, the highest ratio in the nation.

The big problem, of course, is the ailing auto industry. Michigan's unemployment rate was the highest in the county in November, at 14.7%.


4. Illinois


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Chicago

Net loss: 48,249 residents

Illinois has a more diversified economy than Michigan, but it still is a major industrial producer and many of its factories, especially those serving the auto industry, have gone idle recently.

Residents leaving to seek work elsewhere and other migrants out-totaled those who moved in by nearly 50,000. That represents a steady, continuing pattern for Illinois: Net losses have prevailed throughout the decade. The difference between in-migrants and out peaked in 2006 at near 85,000.

5. Ohio


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Toledo

Net loss: 36,278 residents

Ohio is another Rust Belt state going through economic turmoil, much of it tied to the auto industry. More than 368,000 have left the state than moved in during the last decade.

The Buckeye State's worst year was also 2006, when 45,000 more people left than arrived. Since that year unemployment has worsened -- it stood at about 10.6% in November, just over the national average -- but residents were forced to stay put. With unemployment up all over the country, out-of-work Ohioans have had to hunker down and wait for a rebound.
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-27-2009, 09:41 AM
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as the article states california and new york, immigrants traditionally come in to the US and move to these states first, and then move out to other states. of course in recent years less people have been migrating to the US. so thats the reasoning behind those states. the other three states are manufacturing states, those jobs are moving overseas because its cost effective, when jobs go, so do the people. its not political

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Here's the problem...if half the population leaves those states (and it won't), they will still count for the same electoral college points.

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Wherever those residents flee, they take with them their failed liberal beliefs and voting habits.

My cousin told me that a lady from California was in his training class recently at his new job complaining that she had come to Texas hoping she didn't have to go to work. She has 6 kids and made good govmt money not working in California. When their house got foreclosed and her husband lost his job, the only jobs the husband could find were in Texas. She felt that it was unfair that she and her hubby had to get a job because she wasn't getting as much govmt money here as she was in California.

My cousin said they heard about jobs in Texas because several of their relatives had already left California and were already here.

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as the article states california and new york, immigrants traditionally come in to the US and move to these states first, and then move out to other states. of course in recent years less people have been migrating to the US. so thats the reasoning behind those states. the other three states are manufacturing states, those jobs are moving overseas because its cost effective, when jobs go, so do the people. its not political
You don't think that jobs are tied to politics? Why do you think companies move their headquarters and operations (jobs) to Texas? It's because the Texas politicians give them the tax advantages that motivate them. Who just built a new auto manufacturing plant in San Antonio?

How much are taxes in NY and CA?
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Wherever those residents flee, they take with them their failed liberal beliefs and voting habits.
That's the only thing I fear about these states migrants.

In other articles I've read, most of the people leaving CA and NY are those that pay taxes. So watch as those state have further deficits and implode as its income base evaporates.

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Wherever those residents flee, they take with them their failed liberal beliefs and voting habits.

My cousin told me that a lady from California was in his training class recently at his new job complaining that she had come to Texas hoping she didn't have to go to work. She has 6 kids and made good govmt money not working in California. When their house got foreclosed and her husband lost his job, the only jobs the husband could find were in Texas. She felt that it was unfair that she and her hubby had to get a job because she wasn't getting as much govmt money here as she was in California.

My cousin said they heard about jobs in Texas because several of their relatives had already left California and were already here.
I wonder if we could help her pack her shit up and get her back to the "welfare" state? I don't want that shit here. If our unemployed Texas brethren need some help, I'm in, but we don't need to be paying for "imported" talent.

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You don't think that jobs are tied to politics? Why do you think companies move their headquarters and operations (jobs) to Texas? It's because the Texas politicians give them the tax advantages that motivate them. Who just built a new auto manufacturing plant in San Antonio?

How much are taxes in NY and CA?
businesses come to Texas because state and local governments give them what they want, usually money and infrastructure. you see texas can be very liberal when it benefits business.
toyota moved to san antonio because labor is cheaper here, and mayor castro promised them $

as far as NY and CA, those are states where immigrants come into our country, and those immigrants then move to other states

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as far as NY and CA, those are states where immigrants come into our country, and those immigrants then move to other states
Immigrants don't come to texas?

People are fleeing cali because cali has a 12.5% unemployment rate, sky high real estate costs, sky high taxes, sky high cost of living, and a non-business friendly environment. I've personally seen it, working out there all of 2009.

NY has jacked up their taxes and a lot of businesses are leaving there as well, taking jobs with them. And the cost of living there is sky high as well.

Michigan is a train wreck with the auto industry tanking. It kind of makes me laugh with the UAW being on board with obama and then taking it in the ass later on.

People stay in a place when they can find work. When there is no work to be had, people leave. Texas just happens to be a state where the job market is better than other states, so people are coming here. The same thing happened in the early 80's.

Now I will agree that the states that are in trouble are largely liberal states, and I do believe that there is a correlation between liberal leadership and a state collapsing. In fact, the news is reporting today that the governor of california is about to approach obama for a bailout for that state. A state with lots of liberals and immigrants.
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businesses come to Texas because state and local governments give them what they want, usually money and infrastructure. you see texas can be very liberal when it benefits business.
toyota moved to san antonio because labor is cheaper here, and mayor castro promised them $

as far as NY and CA, those are states where immigrants come into our country, and those immigrants then move to other states
I don't understand...do you see this as a bad thing? We're at 8% unemployment, no state income tax, we export more product than any other state in the country, and we are doing pretty well, while most of the country is in the shitter.

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Immigrants don't come to texas?

People are fleeing cali because cali has a 12.5% unemployment rate, sky high real estate costs, sky high taxes, sky high cost of living, and a non-business friendly environment. I've personally seen it, working out there all of 2009.

NY has jacked up their taxes and a lot of businesses are leaving there as well, taking jobs with them. And the cost of living there is sky high as well.

Michigan is a train wreck with the auto industry tanking. It kind of makes me laugh with the UAW being on board with obama and then taking it in the ass later on.

People stay in a place when they can find work. When there is no work to be had, people leave. Texas just happens to be a state where the job market is better than other states, so people are coming here. The same thing happened in the early 80's.

Now I will agree that the states that are in trouble are largely liberal states, and I do believe that there is a correlation between liberal leadership and a state collapsing. In fact, the news is reporting today that the governor of california is about to approach obama for a bailout for that state. A state with lots of liberals and immigrants.
read the article, it clearly states that new york and california are the two most popular states where people arrive in this country and those people traditionally disperse through out the country.

I would not call ohio or michigan blue states or liberal states, rather call them swing states.

you also have to consider what types of jobs people have in those states, and those states and local governments. look at texas for example, on a national level we are a red state, on a state level we are very moderate, and on city level they tend to be more liberal.

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businesses come to Texas because state and local governments give them what they want, usually money and infrastructure. you see texas can be very liberal when it benefits business.
toyota moved to san antonio because labor is cheaper here, and mayor castro promised them $

as far as NY and CA, those are states where immigrants come into our country, and those immigrants then move to other states
And businesses crave tax breaks to assist them in staying profitable. All of the things you mentioned are politically related and can be given to businesses by liberal politicians. But libs don't because they look at bussinesses as a necessary evil to help pay for their social programs. So the bussinesses move to conservative states like Texas.

Unfortunately, the liberal infection in DC still doesn't comprehend that to create jobs, you have to allow businesses to be profitable and encourage future profitability. They are too focused on their big power grab and how much control they can take away from bussineses to care that they are choking bussineses and job growth.

The damage that these liberal politicians are doing right now will negatively affect our economy for years to come.
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What I find interesting about this article is that it does not give a reason why NY is losing so many people. It does say "The state has not gone through the same housing crisis that engulfed bubble states. The unemployment rate is lower than the nation as a whole and foreclosure problems have been relatively minor." But I believe this to be the exact reason people are leaving as well as the high cost of living because the liberal politicians keep the taxes high.
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So let me get this right, texas actually exports products that can be sold for profit and therefor makes money and there for are better off than most states. Yet we are told that to do this on a national scale, like we used to, would be a bad thing.

That is some awesome thinking right there! Rich fucks only thinking about lining their pockets! This country is so fucked.

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the whole concept of tax breaks is not exactly a conservative one, because in the long run it actually generates more tax revenue. in texas the conservative platform actually apposes taxation.

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the whole concept of tax breaks is not exactly a conservative one, because in the long run it actually generates more tax revenue. in texas the conservative platform actually apposes taxation.
Reagans tax cuts in 1981 actually caused the rich to pay more in taxes, and some of you will also remember the years of prosperity that came afterward. The "tax cuts for the rich" mantra that is trotted out by the liberals shows a fundamental misunderstanding of economics; they actually work to increase the tax burden paid by the rich. But I would expect nothing less from the current bunch of idiots that hold power, and their socialist leanings.

The ironic thing is that the info below came from the house's own website. Some of our current politicians could learn a lesson from their predecessors.

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Since 1984 the JEC has provided factual information about the impact of the tax cuts of the 1980s. For example, for many years the JEC has published IRS data on federal tax payments of the top 1 percent, top 5 percent, top 10 percent, and other taxpayers. These data show that after the high marginal tax rates of 1981 were cut, tax payments and the share of the tax burden borne by the top 1 percent climbed sharply. For example, in 1981 the top 1 percent paid 17.6 percent of all personal income taxes, but by 1988 their share had jumped to 27.5 percent, a 10 percentage point increase. The graph below illustrates changes in the tax burden during this period.


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The share of the income tax burden borne by the top 10 percent of taxpayers increased from 48.0 percent in 1981 to 57.2 percent in 1988. Meanwhile, the share of income taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers dropped from 7.5 percent in 1981 to 5.7 percent in 1988.

A middle class of taxpayers can be defined as those between the 50th percentile and the 95th percentile (those earning between $18,367 and $72,735 in 1988). Between 1981 and 1988, the income tax burden of the middle class declined from 57.5 percent in 1981 to 48.7 percent in 1988. This 8.8 percentage point decline in middle class tax burden is entirely accounted for by the increase borne by the top one percent.

Several conclusions follow from these data. First of all, reduction in high marginal tax rates can induce taxpayers to lessen their reliance on tax shelters and tax avoidance, and expose more of their income to taxation. The result in this case was a 51 percent increase in real tax payments by the top one percent. Meanwhile, the tax rate reduction reduced the tax payments of middle class and poor taxpayers. The net effect was a marked shift in the tax burden toward the top 1 percent amounting to about 10 percentage points. Lower top marginal tax rates had encouraged these taxpayers to generate more taxable income.
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Watched "The French Revolution" yesterday on the history channel and it was amazing how many times I was able to say 'check' on history repeating itself. The parrallels were many in terms of our gov't now and theirs then and the courses of action they were taking...
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juju.com just published a list of the top cities to find a job in, if the correlation is correct then the majority of cities to find jobs in would be in red states? but it does not seem that way

1 Washington, DC 1.87
2 San Jose, CA 2.68
3 Baltimore, MD 2.91
4 Boston, MA 3.11
5 New York, NY 3.35
6 Salt Lake City, UT 3.35
7 Hartford, CT 3.60
8 Denver, CO 3.81
9 San Antonio, TX 3.84
10 Austin, TX 4.30

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juju.com just published a list of the top cities to find a job in, if the correlation is correct then the majority of cities to find jobs in would be in red states? but it does not seem that way

1 Washington, DC 1.87
2 San Jose, CA 2.68
3 Baltimore, MD 2.91
4 Boston, MA 3.11
5 New York, NY 3.35
6 Salt Lake City, UT 3.35
7 Hartford, CT 3.60
8 Denver, CO 3.81
9 San Antonio, TX 3.84
10 Austin, TX 4.30
99% of the jobs in DC a government jobs. Most of the "new" jobs being created are government jobs, this is a BIG prob.

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99% of the jobs in DC a government jobs. Most of the "new" jobs being created are government jobs, this is a BIG prob.
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99% of the jobs in DC a government jobs. Most of the "new" jobs being created are government jobs.
Exactly. I even has one!

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Austin, Denver, Boston, and Salt Lake City are also STATE capitals, which means...you guessed it...GOVERNMENT jobs!

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