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WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats on Monday evening dropped a plan to expand Medicare, winning the support of moderates and the reluctant acquiescence of liberals, in another major step toward building enough support to pass a health-care overhaul.

The News Hub panel discusses the latest wrinkle in the health care battle, which caused Senate Democrats to drop plans to expand Medicare.

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United HomeCare Services home health aide Wendys Cerrato helps Robert Granville with a drink as she helps him in his home on December 14, 2009 in Miami, Florida. The U.S. Senate continues to debate the need for the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) Act in the health care reform bill, which would provide a government-sponsored basic cash benefit to those needing long-term care services at home, in assisted living, or in a nursing facility. Without the help of United HomeCare Services Robert would be unable to continue to live on his own since he has limited mobility. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)enter caption here////>> on December 11, 2009 in Palm Beach, Florida.
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A home heath-aide worker with United HomeCare Services helps Robert Granville, who has limited mobility, drink water Monday in his Miami home.
United HomeCare Services home health aide Wendys Cerrato helps Robert Granville with a drink as she helps him in his home on December 14, 2009 in Miami, Florida. The U.S. Senate continues to debate the need for the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) Act in the health care reform bill, which would provide a government-sponsored basic cash benefit to those needing long-term care services at home, in assisted living, or in a nursing facility. Without the help of United HomeCare Services Robert would be unable to continue to live on his own since he has limited mobility. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)enter caption here////>> on December 11, 2009 in Palm Beach, Florida.
United HomeCare Services home health aide Wendys Cerrato helps Robert Granville with a drink as she helps him in his home on December 14, 2009 in Miami, Florida. The U.S. Senate continues to debate the need for the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) Act in the health care reform bill, which would provide a government-sponsored basic cash benefit to those needing long-term care services at home, in assisted living, or in a nursing facility. Without the help of United HomeCare Services Robert would be unable to continue to live on his own since he has limited mobility. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)enter caption here////>> on December 11, 2009 in Palm Beach, Florida.

The idea of letting people ages 55 to 64 buy into Medicare, announced just last week, had threatened to explode the Democrats' hopes of getting a bill through the Senate when Sen. Joseph Lieberman came out against it.

At an evening caucus of all 58 Democrats and the two independents who sit with the party, including Sen. Lieberman, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) and other party leaders made clear they wanted to head off the dispute.

Sen. Evan Bayh (D., Ind.) said Democrats agreed that the dispute over Medicare shouldn't hold up legislation that would extend coverage to tens of millions of Americans.

"There are a lot of good things here," he said. "To use an old cliché, the general consensus was we shouldn't make the perfect the enemy of the good."

Republicans decried the Democratic deal making, and urged the majority party to slow action on legislation they contend will undermine the U.S. economy. "Whether expansion of Medicare is in or out...doesn't affect the core problem with this legislation, which is that it does not reduce costs" and increases the size of government, said Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.), speaking on the Senate floor Monday after word of the Medicare shift emerged.

Mr. Reid wants to vote on the legislation by Christmas, setting the stage for House-Senate negotiations on a final compromise bill in January. Among other things, the bill would expand Medicaid, which serves the poor, and create tax subsidies to help families purchase insurance.

The consensus on dropping the Medicare expansion puts Democrats close to locking up the 60 votes they need to overcome Republican opposition. After the caucus, Mr. Lieberman said, "The core parts of this bill are a historic accomplishment." He added he was "encouraged" by the direction of the bill, though he didn't formally endorse the latest version.

Some important hurdles remain before Mr. Reid can proceed toward a final vote.

A bipartisan coalition including Sens. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.), Evan Bayh (D., Ind.) and Susan Collins (R., Maine) wants to let consumers pocket the difference if they can find a health plan cheaper than the one their employer offers, WSJ's Janet Adamy reports.

Sen. Ben Nelson (D., Neb.) continues to raise concerns that the legislation doesn't go far enough to ensure taxpayer dollars won't be used to fund abortions. Also, Democrats remain divided on a proposal by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D., N.D.) that would allow the reimportation of prescription drugs from Canada and some other countries.

A vote on the Dorgan amendment was set for Tuesday. If it passes, it would undermine a deal the White House struck with the drug industry to limit the industry's concessions to $80 billion over a decade.

Any deal must also win approval in the House, which passed its health bill Nov. 7 by a narrow margin. The House bill includes a government-run health-insurance plan coveted by liberals, while the latest Senate version doesn't. The Senate has the upper hand on the shape of the final bill because it is harder to get a bill through the Senate.

Senate Democrats are set to visit the White House Tuesday to meet President Barack Obama, who is also pressing for action before Christmas.

Mr. Lieberman said he was worried about the cost of expanding Medicare when the program's long-term solvency is in doubt. "I don't feel like a spoiler, I feel like somebody who's wanted to be for health-care reform," he said, adding he wasn't the only senator with concerns.
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Liberal Democrats suggested they would reluctantly go along with Mr. Lieberman's position. "There's enough good in this bill...that we ought to move it," said Sen. Tom Harkin (D., Iowa).

Senate aides said Mr. Reid was vexed by Mr. Lieberman's decision to draw a line in the sand over Medicare expansion. The majority leader believed that the Connecticut senator was open to expanding Medicare, they said, and in fact Mr. Lieberman proposed earlier in the fall something much like what senior Democrats later agreed upon.

In a September interview with the Connecticut Post, Mr. Lieberman suggested giving people 55 and older "an option to buy into Medicare early" if they were laid off or couldn't otherwise get affordable coverage.

A Lieberman spokesman, Marshall Wittmann, said that idea was superseded when the Senate Finance Committee passed a plan that would give the uninsured, including those over 55, subsidies to buy private insurance. Mr. Lieberman's "view is, essentially, that because we have subsidies, the Medicare buy-in would be redundant," Mr. Wittmann said.

He said that Mr. Lieberman had put Mr. Reid on notice late last week that he had problems with Medicare expansion. Mr. Lieberman's "position on this issue should be no surprise to the leadership," Mr. Wittmann said.

Senate Democratic aides suggested Mr. Reid could move as soon as Tuesday to begin shutting off debate on the legislation. That would likely set the stage for a final vote on the bill just before Christmas.

"Democrats aren't going to let the American people down," Mr. Reid said. "We all stand shoulder to shoulder."
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yep, tehy stand shoulder to shoulder. Just like the SS.
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Its stalled out for now....... everyone has to keep the pressure on these assholes.
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Its stalled out for now....... everyone has to keep the pressure on these assholes.
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Just heard Obama is having another closed door meeting with Democrats to push this mother fucker through at what ever the cost....... these SOBs are ridiculous
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this needs to stay dead. It is amusing though. The dems control the government and even they can't get this monstrosity through
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Just heard Obama is having another closed door meeting with Democrats to push this mother fucker through at what ever the cost....... these SOBs are ridiculous
He feels his entire presidency hinges on this abortion-of-a-bill. It does...he just doesn't realize which way. If it goes through, there will be many "sacrificial lambs" in the democratic party.

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Single-payer health care plan dies in Senate
liberals' dream of a government-run health care system all but dies in the Senate


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By David Espo, AP Special Correspondent , On Wednesday December 16, 2009, 6:27 pm
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The liberals' longtime dream of a government-run health care system for all died Wednesday in the Senate, but Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont vowed it will return when the realization dawns that private insurance companies "are no longer needed."

Sanders, an independent and socialist, said his approach is the only one "which eliminates the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste, administrative costs, bureaucracy and profiteering that is engendered by the private insurance companies." His remarks drew handshakes and even a hug or two from Democrats who had filed into the Senate to hear him.

Sanders acknowledged the proposal lacked the votes to pass, and he chose to withdraw it after Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., exercised his prerogative and required Senate clerks to begin reading the 767-page proposal aloud to a nearly empty chamber. After three hours, they were 139 pages into it.

The political theater came as the White House and Senate Democrats sought an agreement with Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., to become the 60th supporter of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul -- the number needed to overcome a Republican filibuster.

The Nebraska lawmaker told reporters he was reviewing a proposal to toughen abortion restrictions in the legislation, one of the changes he is seeking. Nelson said the compromise negotiated by anti-abortion Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., involves attempt to separate private and public funds, an approach that in the past failed to sway the Nebraska moderate and Catholic bishops.

Asked whether the new language was satisfactory, Nelson said, "I don't know at this point in time. Constituency groups haven't responded back yet."

Nelson emerged as the lone known holdout among 60 Democrats and independents earlier in the week after Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., forced supporters of the bill to remove a proposed Medicare expansion.

Democratic officials also said that Nelson's Nebraska-based chief of staff, Tim Becker, is in Washington to discuss with Obama administration officials the details of recent negotiations between his boss and the president. Nelson's chief concerns deal with issues in Nebraska that are unrelated to the health care bill, said an official with close ties to the senator. The official spoke on grounds of anonymity to discuss private conversations.

In general, the overall legislation is designed to spread coverage to millions who lack it, ban insurance industry practices such as denying coverage because of pre-existing medical conditions and slow the rate of growth for medical spending nationally.

Republicans are unanimously opposed, and accuse Democrats of seeking deep cuts in Medicare and higher taxes to create a new benefit program that they argue gives government too large a role in the health care system.

The debate over the proper role for the government has bedeviled the issue from the outset.

At the behest of liberal Democrats, the House bill establishes a nationwide government-run insurance option in hopes of creating competition for private insurers.

In the Senate, moderates refused to support anything similar, with Nelson balking even at standby authority for the government in case efforts failed in their attempt to entice private companies to become more competitive.

Instead, the Senate measure is likely to call for development of nonprofit private plans to be overseen by the Office of Personnel Management, the agency that supervises the system that federal employees and lawmakers use to get coverage.

The compromises to the Senate bill have union leaders reassessing whether they should continue to offer support publicly for the measure.

The politically powerful Service Employees International Union backed out of a Wednesday news conference at which it and other groups -- including the AARP -- planned to promote the bill. Instead, the union's executive board met to discuss concerns about the plan's lack of a public option and the Senate's decision to remove a Medicare buy-in alternative.

"We're looking at what we need for the reform bill to be something that we can probably support," SEIU spokeswoman Lori Lodes said.

Sanders referred to his proposal as a "Medicare for all single-payer bill" and said if it became law, patients would be able to see the same doctors they now use. In his speech, he ripped into insurance companies, drugmakers, medical device manufacturers and others.

In order to provide cost-effective comprehensive health care, he said, "you're going to have to take on the private insurance companies and tell them very clearly they are no longer needed. Thanks for your service. We don't need you anymore."

Sanders later said he was not yet ready to say he would vote for the legislation Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is drafting. Democrats are counting on him as one of the 60 votes they need, and have not betrayed any nervousness in recent days about his intentions.

The House already has approved its version of the health care bill, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Wednesday she was confident a final compromise would be signed into law before Obama's 2010 State of the Union address.

She signaled a willingness to look at the proposal in the Senate bill that takes the place of government-run insurance in the House bill.

Asked whether she could support a final bill without a so-called public option, she said, "it depends what else is in the bill."

Associated Press writers Charles Babington, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Erica Werner and Sam Hananel contributed to this report.
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Pelosi is now in campaign mode. She must see the writing on the wall, but after all of her strong arm tactics and steamrolling of people she has to know that she is on a very short fuse now. Watch for the spin coming from her, just like the quotes she made about the CIA lying and how she spun it away from her.

I wonder how long it will take for the dems to realize that the bill is dead, and is starting to stink, and for them to try to distance themselves from it?

Unfortunately, I think that the dems have made quite a negative impression on the voters, and it's probably too late at this point to fix it.

The good news is that this bill is apparently DOA now.
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I wonder if anyone remembers last year when the Republicans wanted to do something about hte high price of gas and she shut off their mics and turned out the lights?
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Pelosi is now in campaign mode. She must see the writing on the wall, but after all of her strong arm tactics and steamrolling of people she has to know that she is on a very short fuse now. Watch for the spin coming from her, just like the quotes she made about the CIA lying and how she spun it away from her.

I wonder how long it will take for the dems to realize that the bill is dead, and is starting to stink, and for them to try to distance themselves from it?

Unfortunately, I think that the dems have made quite a negative impression on the voters, and it's probably too late at this point to fix it.

The good news is that this bill is apparently DOA now.
I won't count on that until I see the body. These motherfuckers will do anything.

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As we all know, money is very slim right now, accoutning for the fact that we continue to borrow money from other countries. Obviously there is a lot of money that is gonig to waste due to the socialist and liberal agendas. The continued dependancy on foreign oil does not help the situation either.

This healthcare bill is a conglomerate off junk created to take away the rights of the American people, forcing them to submit to ideas that we are protected from under the Constitution. The selfish actions of the current government is going to be the fall of the country, or at least the government as we know it.

What is there to do now? I think not much. With the democratic mahcine at work, all opposition is being forced to sit back and watch the country fall into peril. The sad part is that the mid-term elections will not come quickl enough. Hopefully a sweep of congress will occur. We will see.

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FUCKERS just voted it in.

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Yeap its in...... Now we are really going to pay for it, in more than one way..

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Hopefully the house either doesn't pass it or puts shit into it that the senate cannot vote for.

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Hopefully the house either doesn't pass it or puts shit into it that the senate cannot vote for.
They will pass anything to get the fucking stated then they will go back and fine tune the fucking more later. More taxes and rules to follow.This make me sick that they can rape the American tax payer like this. On a side note, obama voters should be proud of the mess they have caused for all Americans, dumb asses...
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Oops...wrong thread, that was meant for the Japanese Socialists

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Reid voted AGAINST his own bill...whata dumbass!
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The massive accounting blunder that should sink health care reform
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12/24/09 12:05 PM EST

Yesterday, David discussed the CBO's miscalculation regarding the Senate health care bill. Democrats had been insisting that bill somehow cut the deficit and strengthened Medicare, but as it turns out the CBO had to clarify that the savings of the bill were being double counted. The "savings" the bill produces either have to be applied toward the Medicare trust fund or they have to be put toward the cost of the legislation to make it reduce the deficit by $132 billion over the next ten years. (That's assuming you buy into the shady accounting tricks used to score the bill.) Megan McArdle has a typically astute blog post up discussing the implications all of this. Megan even observes that as recently as Saturday, President Obama was trumpeting the bill's twin achievements of deficit reduction and strengthening Medicare. However, Megan didn't quote Obama in full -- fortunately The American Spectator's Phil Klein did. The entirety of Obama's remarks in the immediate aftermath of Senate Democrats securing finally securing 60 votes to pass their health care bill are worth pondering:

"This bill with strengthen Medicare and extend the life of the program. Because it’s paid for and gets rid of waste and inefficiency in our health care system this will be the largest deficit reduction plan in over a decade. In fact, we just learned from the Congressional Budget Office that this bill will reduce our deficit by $132 billion over the first decade of the program, and more than one trillion dollars in the decade after that."


Well, we now know that whether it was an innocent mistake or fiscal prestidigtation, one of these claims is simply not true. Which is all the more reason you don't railroad an unpopular bill through in the middle of the night, as this episode proves conclusively that the Senate can't be trusted not to make mistakes involving literally hundreds of billions of dollars.

But the bottom line is that this is a massive, massive blunder and the President and the Senate Democrats need to come clean about it. They sold the American people, or tried to anyway, on specific promises regarding deficit reduction and preserving Medicare. Now they can't be sure of either of those promises. And Joe Taxpayer should probably be scared has heck about what else they've overlooked regarding the consequences of health care legislation.

If the President and Senate Democrats are serious about their repeated promises to produce health care reform that saves money in the long-term, then they're going to have to scrap what they've got and go back to the drawing board. But nothing in the way that health care legislation has been handled so far suggests that Democrats are hoping for anything other than a short-term, ego-driven legislative victory.
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A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada.
Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said......"Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of old age."

Ship his elderly, arrogant ass to Canada or England!





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Too bad most people in congress don't share his understanding of what's really in this bill. Good post.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1044

Now that the House and Senate have both passed separate health care reform bills, the legislative process shifts to ironing out the differences. This typically involves having a formal conference committee containing members of both the House and the Senate. The goal is to reconcile the two bills, creating a final bill that both chambers will vote on. In a surprise turn, according to Jonathan Cohn of the New Republic, Democrats intend to employ an obscure tactic, informally known as "ping-pong," to shut Republicans out of the final negotiations and speed the bills toward completion. In "ping-pong" the legislation is bounced back and forth between the House and the Senate, controlled by just the Democratic leadership in each chamber and the White House, until a final agreement can be reached.

It's "almost certain," according to a pair of senior congressional staffers Cohn spoke to, that the Democratic leadership will seek to avoid a formal conference committee and its procedural steps. The formal process and additional votes would have offered multiple additional opportunities for the Republicans to slow or obstruct the bill's process, as they did throughout the fall.

As one might expect, Republicans in Congress are aghast over the move. Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority leader John Boehner, told Yahoo! News that such a tactic would break President Obama's campaign promise of health care debate transparency. He labeled the strategy a "disgrace":


Something as critical as the Democrats' health care bill, with its Medicare cuts and tax hikes, shouldn't be slapped together in a shady backroom deal. Skipping a real, open conference shuts out the American people and breaks one of President Obama's signature campaign promises. It would be a disgrace - to the Democratic Leaders if they do it, and to every Democratic Member who lets them.

It also worries some on the left. Liberal blogger Ezra Klein of the Washington Post notes that bypassing the conference committee would limit Republican efforts to stop the bill altogether. He worries that doing so would also "give them fewer opportunities to be heard when voicing legitimate concerns and critiques about the workings of the legislation." Congressman Raul Grijalva, co-Chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told blogger Greg Sargent that he and other progressives are "disappointed" with the apparent choice:


I and other progressives saw a conference as a means to improve the bill and have a real debate, and now with this behind-the-scenes approach, we're concerned even more.

But Jonathan Cohn argues to Yahoo! News that "the legislative process works best when members of the minority party are part of the discussion," but with "no members of the minority party acting that way, except for a lone Republican house member, such a negotiation is not possible." Disagreeing mildly with concerns from the left that skipping a conference committee would hamper the quality of the legislation, he added: "Trying for a formal conference would not lead to a better bill. It'd just lead to a bill that took more time to pass."

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A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada.
Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said......"Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of old age."

Ship his elderly, arrogant ass to Canada or England!
you can dispute those numbers, because the US tally only include those who have insurance

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you can dispute those numbers, because the US tally only include those who have insurance
Well then wouldnt that mean that after government healthcare that our numbers would mover closer to Canadas and Englands? Either way we loose.
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you can dispute those numbers, because the US tally only include those who have insurance
Since when do you have to have insurance to get treatment in this country?
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This fiasco is gonna be hillarous!! So either ill get insurance since i dont have any, just cost me $500 for 5 stitches in my finger which is fucking crazy, or ill get fined cause i cant afford the visit in the first place much less another monthly bill to pay....AWESOME!! Id much rather gamble on me being careful while i work honestly.

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