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Some government experiments from the past you might not know about

You definitely can trust these people. I wonder why anyone would question our governments actions with a track record like this?

Human Experimentation
1931
Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute
for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells.
He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare
facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S.
Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of
radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian
hospital patients.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...5A16738DDDAC09...
http://www.nl.edu/academics/cas/ace/...ces/campos.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_P._Rhoades

1932
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with
syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and
instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the
progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die
from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been
treated.
http://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm

1938
The War of the Worlds aired on October 30 over the CBS radio network with six million listeners presented with a series of simulated news bulletins which suggested that an actual Martian invasion was in progress. Some listeners heard only a portion of the broadcast, and in the atmosphere of tension and anxiety leading to World War II, took it to be a news broadcast. Newspapers reported that panic ensued, people fleeing the area, others thinking they could smell poison gas or could see flashes of lightning in the distance. Directed and narrated by Orson Welles, the episode was an adaptation of H. G. Wells' novel The War of the Worlds. Welles' adaptation was one of the Radio Project's first studies. The Radio Project was a social research project funded by the Rockefeller Foundation to look into the effects of mass media on society.
http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_m...on/2/3/7/0/8/p...
http://history1900s.about.com/od/193...arofworlds.htm


1942
Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on
approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945
and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human
guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.
http://www.osti.gov/opennet/servlets...D/16009245.pdf

1969
Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from
congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic
biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.
1970
Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R.
15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out
by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top
secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that
molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like
retroviruses.
http://infoserve.sandia.gov/sand_doc/2004/041854.pdf

1990
More than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles
are given an 'experimental' measles vaccine that had never been
licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents
were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children
was experimental.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm4812.pdf

1995
U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and
scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and
immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare
research.
Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used
during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca
Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of
Corrections.
http://www.lightparty.com/Health/Nicholson.html
http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar..._research.html

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.

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Do you beleive our country is evil? Does it do more good than harm?

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Do you believe our country is evil? Does it do more good than harm?

Please note I did not put perfect in any of my questions.
I don't believe our country is evil. I believe the people that control the country are evil. I'll have to go with harm on your 2nd question.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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I don't believe our country is evil. I believe the people that control the country are evil. I'll have to go with harm on your 2nd question.
Okay, I won't attack I was just curious but I pretty much figured you thought that.

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most americans with a brain think that way,now.

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most americans with a brain think that way,now.
That the USA has done more harm than good in the world?

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That the USA has done more harm than good in the world?
Who's perspective are you basing that question on Americans or foreigners? Edit, just read his Americans part of that statement, nevermind I mis-read that.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Who's perspective are you basing that question on Americans or foreigners? Edit, just read his Americans part of that statement, nevermind I mis-read that.
I don't give a shit what foreigners think of my country. Only liberals do.

Do you care what your next door neighbors think of you?

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I don't give a shit what foreigners think of my country. Only liberals do.

Do you care what your next door neighbors think of you?
There you go again with your categorizing people. You can't fit everyone in three political categories. I don't give a shit what my neighbor thinks of me, that's not what I was getting at. I don't think the water is as poisonous over there as it is here is what I was going to say.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Do you care what your next door neighbors think of you?

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I don't give a shit what foreigners think of my country. Only liberals do.

Do you care what your next door neighbors think of you?
Unfortunatley alot do, AKA HOA's
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There you go again with your categorizing people. You can't fit everyone in three political categories. I don't give a shit what my neighbor thinks of me, that's not what I was getting at. I don't think the water is as poisonous over there as it is here is what I was going to say.
So you don't care about what your neighbors think of you but you do care what France, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Colombia, Venezuela, and the other countries of the world think of you? That says alot about you.

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You and I both know enough about our past neighbors to know that isn't true. LMAO!

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So you don't care about what your neighbors think of you but you do care what France, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Colombia, Venezuela, and the other countries of the world think of you? That says alot about you.

Good call on keeping the Tinfoil Hat name.
When you said neighbors I assumed you were talking about my house like who lives next door to me. Where do you come up with this stuff? I never even mentioned any of those countries or how I felt about them? You're staying true to your LEO training, and you keep trying to put words in my mouth that I never mentioned. Quit trying to draw conclusions on the pre conceived notions you have built up in your head about me, you don't have me pegged like you would like to believe you do. You won't even watch a 27 minute video that's in your field of work, you just group everything and everybody into a few categories that fits what you have built up in your head. If you want to get back on the topic of this thread and explain how any of those things I listed are excusable or benefited you and I I'm all ears. Your tired old rhetoric is just that, tired and old.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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1995
U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and
scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and
immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare
research.
Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used
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Corrections.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/...ids=59512492:5...
http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar..._research.html
The first link doesn't even work and the second doesn't relate to anything you said.

Do you even read this shit or do you just pass it on from wackos?
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When you said neighbors I assumed you were talking about my house like who lives next door to me. Where do you come up with this stuff? I never even mentioned any of those countries or how I felt about them? You're staying true to your LEO training, and you keep trying to put words in my mouth that I never mentioned. Quit trying to draw conclusions on the pre conceived notions you have built up in your head about me, you don't have me pegged like you would like to believe you do. You won't even watch a 27 minute video that's in your field of work, you just group everything and everybody into a few categories that fits what you have built up in your head. If you want to get back on the topic of this thread and explain how any of those things I listed are excusable or benefited you and I I'm all ears. Your tired old rhetoric is just that, tired and old.
You asked about foreigners like you cared abut what they think. If not, just say it, but don't worry about how the USA is perceived overseas like it is some big deal and then not worry about your neighbors. You really shoud try and keep up with the conversation when you are the one who brought up foreigners into a converstaion where they shouldn't have been.

I know you and people like you very well.

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You and I both know enough about our past neighbors to know that isn't true. LMAO!

Lol. Neighbors scare the hell out of me...



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The first link doesn't even work and the second doesn't relate to anything you said.

Do you even read this shit or do you just pass it on from wackos?

I don't know about those two, but do you ever remember seeing all the video clips of the A bomb going off and the American troops on the ground unprotected 40 miles away from the blast? The government knew what that would do to them.
Do you remember seeing the news articles of the U.S. bragging about getting rid of "those damn Indians" by giving them blankets tainted with small pox?
Do you remember Hitler killing how many Jews?

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Lol. Neighbors scare the hell out of me...



My neighbor is a liberal. Piss on what he thinks.



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The first link doesn't even work and the second doesn't relate to anything you said.

Do you even read this shit or do you just pass it on from wackos?
Well it worked last night, the 2nd link the info is in the pdfs at the bottom. My bad I should have said that. Here's where it mentions the testing on inmates. http://www.lightparty.com/Health/Nicholson.html Now this guy is a whistle blower and he was harassed for saying what he did. Now years later the government has asked for his help.http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/nicholson.htm Google his name there's more info then you can read on this guy. He also has some very interesting things to say about vaccines. Here's one of his vaccine speeches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e2ljD3hkhg

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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My neighbor is a liberal. Piss on what he thinks.

You don't know the story dude...
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That the USA has done more harm than good in the world?
Well let's look at the recent events osama and saddam. Let's see who backed them, hint you are in the same party. Now we are trying to clean up the mess that WE made, all those people died at the hands of those two alone prove we do more harm than good. If we stopped messing in others backyard maybe we wouldn't step in their shit when try to correct our mistake.

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Well let's look at the recent events osama and saddam. Let's see who backed them, hint you are in the same party. Now we are trying to clean up the mess that WE made, all those people died at the hands of those two alone prove we do more harm than good. If we stopped messing in others backyard maybe we wouldn't step in their shit when try to correct our mistake.
So you also think the USA has done more harm than good in the world. You are entitled to that but I have a very low opinion of those who think that. The USA is alot more than the few people running the government.

Where else would you rather live where the country is so much better?

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Where else would you rather live where the country is so much better?
Please tell us Cartman. Ill buy you a one way ticket personally.
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Please tell us Cartman. Ill buy you a one way ticket personally.
I don't know about living there, but we could adopt some of their policies like this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1O...layer_embedded

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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You don't know the story dude...
I was just being a smart ass to ya.



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I don't know about living there, but we could adopt some of their policies like this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1O...layer_embedded
People would get pissed about the mandatory military training. (which could probably read as mandatory enlistment)

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at least its not u. there are countries with a darker past and present.
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I don't know about living there, but we could adopt some of their policies like this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1O...layer_embedded
Since you seem to feel the same way about the USA as Cartman does, I ask you the same question: What other country would you rather live in that is so good compared to the USA.

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Since you seem to feel the same way about the USA as Cartman does, I ask you the same question: What other country would you rather live in that is so good compared to the USA.
There's no where to run, the evil is everywhere. I'll stay here and fight till it's over whether we win or lose. I didn't make this thread to claim that there's better places to live. I made it because people really still think the government cares about what happens to us, and that's simply not the case, and it's been like that for quite some time now.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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I don't know about those two, but do you ever remember seeing all the video clips of the A bomb going off and the American troops on the ground unprotected 40 miles away from the blast?
They were closer than that.
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No they didn't. You think nuclear explosions (then and now) are a precise science? Hardly.

People that were within 500 yards of the Hiroshima explosion, and stayed to rebuild the city, are still alive today.
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I don't know about those two, but do you ever remember seeing all the video clips of the A bomb going off and the American troops on the ground unprotected 40 miles away from the blast? The government knew what that would do to them.
Do you remember seeing the news articles of the U.S. bragging about getting rid of "those damn Indians" by giving them blankets tainted with small pox?
Do you remember Hitler killing how many Jews?

Do you think man kind is beyond doing this stuff now?
What does that have to do with the fact that he can't support the horseshit that he claims.

If you post pure shit on this site I am going to call you out on it.
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Well let's look at the recent events osama and saddam. Let's see who backed them, hint you are in the same party. Now we are trying to clean up the mess that WE made, all those people died at the hands of those two alone prove we do more harm than good. If we stopped messing in others backyard maybe we wouldn't step in their shit when try to correct our mistake.
Makes sense until you stop to think that even more people may have died if we had done nothing. Pol pot anyone? Hitler? I love people who think foreign policy is like a Dr. Seuss book. The sheltered fucks fail to realize that in many places death is a part of everyday life.

I want foreign policy to look out for my country's interests first and foremost. Not save lives. Fuck other people. That's right, I said fuck them. If you want to see what other countries have in mind for us, just look at the Copenhagen Climate Change fiasco. They plan to try to steal from us and guilt us into letting them do it legally. You think I care about these people?

Why don't you go cry about how Iran or Russia conducts itself? Or China? Fact is we are the lesser of all evils. I'm sorry it isn't all puppy dog kisses, I hope all those self loathing tears don't short out your keyboard.
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Mike banged his 65+ yr old neighbor, there was a dispute on who got to keep the kid

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Makes sense until you stop to think that even more people may have died if we had done nothing. Pol pot anyone? Hitler? I love people who think foreign policy is like a Dr. Seuss book. The sheltered fucks fail to realize that in many places death is a part of everyday life.

I want foreign policy to look out for my country's interests first and foremost. Not save lives. Fuck other people. That's right, I said fuck them. If you want to see what other countries have in mind for us, just look at the Copenhagen Climate Change fiasco. They plan to try to steal from us and guilt us into letting them do it legally. You think I care about these people?

Why don't you go cry about how Iran or Russia conducts itself? Or China? Fact is we are the lesser of all evils. I'm sorry it isn't all puppy dog kisses, I hope all those self loathing tears don't short out your keyboard.
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What does that have to do with the fact that he can't support the horseshit that he claims.
The links support it, and I fixed the ones that you had pointed out yesterday. I admitted my mistake on not clarifying where the info was located in the second link you mentioned. Believe me I wish all this crap was just that, but it's not, and the evidence is there to prove it. I'm not trying to stir up shit with you, but I did fix it take another look at post # 21

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What does that have to do with the fact that he can't support the horseshit that he claims.

If you post pure shit on this site I am going to call you out on it.
I don't have a problem with that.

And what I posted has everything to do with it.

There where several links posted. I tossed out a few obvious ones just to remind people that evil does still exist, and we are all subject to be affected by it.

But the question is, do you feel better now that you pointed out something so small as a messed up link, and diverting attention from the original message. Or where you trying to discredit the hole idea because of 2 messed up links?

Just wondering?



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No they didn't. You think nuclear explosions (then and now) are a precise science? Hardly.

People that were within 500 yards of the Hiroshima explosion, and stayed to rebuild the city, are still alive today.
OK, yes your right. No science is an exact science, and most likely will not be for some time. And yes they did have a very good idea what would happen (no not exactly). And you can not honestly believe that the scientists that created this bomb did not have a very good idea what would happen or not warn the upper brass. Why do you think they, along with the upper brass stayed so far away, and in a lead lined bunker to watch it?

Gee I wonder why they where in a lead lined bunker, while the common troops where exposed and so close?



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I am not surprised by any of this...and I'm sure there is still so much to be discovered
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LMAO! Something like that...
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Gross.
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OK, yes your right. No science is an exact science, and most likely will not be for some time. And yes they did have a very good idea what would happen (no not exactly). And you can not honestly believe that the scientists that created this bomb did not have a very good idea what would happen or not warn the upper brass. Why do you think they, along with the upper brass stayed so far away, and in a lead lined bunker to watch it?

Gee I wonder why they where in a lead lined bunker, while the common troops where exposed and so close?
What about the pilots they had FLY THROUGH mushroom clouds in the early '50s to gather radiation samples for testing? The aircraft came back so radioactive that they were hot to the touch. Ever heard the saying "I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole?" That is a term that came from this testing - the ground crews used ten-foot-long poles to take the sampling media off the airplanes. The pilots wore lead-lined suits but no helmets and were lifted out of the airplane with cranes so they didn't have to touch it. They let the aircraft radiate for a week or two before letting the grounds crew perform maintenance for the next round of testing.

I read an article written last year from a pilot on that unit.

You really think a lead-lined bunker within viewing distance of an uncontrolled nuclear explosion is going to keep you from getting a healthy dose of radiation? lol
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What about the pilots they had FLY THROUGH mushroom clouds in the early '50s to gather radiation samples for testing? The aircraft came back so radioactive that they were hot to the touch. Ever heard the saying "I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole?" That is a term that came from this testing - the ground crews used ten-foot-long poles to take the sampling media off the airplanes. The pilots wore lead-lined suits but no helmets and were lifted out of the airplane with cranes so they didn't have to touch it. They let the aircraft radiate for a week or two before letting the grounds crew perform maintenance for the next round of testing.

I read an article written last year from a pilot on that unit.

You really think a lead-lined bunker within viewing distance of an uncontrolled nuclear explosion is going to keep you from getting a healthy dose of radiation? lol
Odd you mention this, my father was a naval navigator in the navy, and actually flew some of these missions. He died from cancer at the ripe old age of 33.

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Sorry to hear that. I still have those four lug knock-off adapters for you. I have no idea if you still want them-
Shit, I forgot about those, I sold the car but still have the wheels in storage. Are they the multi-pattern type?

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And yes they did have a very good idea what would happen
The Trinity Test was 400% more powerful than the Los Alamos scientists predicted.
Windows were broken 120 miles away.
Hans Bethe [Director of the Theoretical Division @ Los Alamos] was completely blinded for ~30 seconds.


I don't call that a "very good idea of what would happen."

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Why do you think they, along with the upper brass stayed so far away, and in a lead lined bunker to watch it?
Unprotected soldiers and lead lined bunker? The high-ups, the scientists and the soldiers [Special Engineer Detachment] were all at three bunkers 10,000 ft away and they weren't even all inside.
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Eventually those in authority, the high brass, began to appear. My reaction to their presence was mixed, pleased by their appearance on the scene but slightly resentful that they appeared only at the last moment. They really hadn’t bitten the desert sand.

It took about 30 millionths of a second for the flash of light from the explosion to reach us outside the bunker at south 10,000. It took the blast wave about 30 seconds. There was the initial loud report, the sharp gust of wind, and then the long period of reverberation as the sound waves echoed off the nearby mountains and came back to us.

I got up from the ground and watched the now famous mushroom cloud rise in the morning sky


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Where exactly was all this done? And how many times have they tested? Wouldn't the area still be irradiated?
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Where exactly was all this done? And how many times have they tested? Wouldn't the area still be irradiated?
The nuclear testing?

The US did 1054 nuclear tests between 1945 and 1992.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/


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