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The government now regulates your health care.


I am so fucking mad I am literally about to blow a gasket.



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Hold your horses, tonight was a test vote to get it into debate.





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Hold your horses, tonight was a test vote to get it into debate.
Do you really think that it wont pass after seeing what happened tonight?
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Hold your horses, tonight was a test vote to get it into debate.
It doesn't matter, it's going to go now. I would put money on it. It would be very difficult to stop it now.

Fucking bullshit! Fuck all you libs that want to fuck up this country!

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(thats right, in a fucking duel with guns, Jackson allowed his oppenent to fucking shoot at him before shooting back). Now we have Obama, who is a little bitch. God damn the presidency of the US is just not the same as it used to be.
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Do you really think that it wont pass after seeing what happened tonight?
Anything is possible. I'll continue to pray that it doesn't until it does.





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Nasty business this is. A slippery slope that we will have a hard time getting undone.

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Now they just need 50 votes which they will get
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Now they just need 50 votes which they will get
Are they using reconciliation or clotcher?





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This was cloture. This means it gets voted on.
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post #10 of 39 (permalink) Old 11-21-2009, 10:16 PM
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It's going to pass IMO.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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It's going to pass IMO.
In some form, I'm sure it will, too. They will feel some INTENSE heat, and several in the house and senate will not be back after the 2010 election.

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post #12 of 39 (permalink) Old 11-21-2009, 10:41 PM
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I think it gets held up in the court system for a few years anyway. You know as soon as it passes (if it actually does pass), there will be filings in with the courts. They're not hearing our voices anyway and besides violence, I'm not sure what else can be done to make them hear them.

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I think it gets held up in the court system for a few years anyway. You know as soon as it passes (if it actually does pass), there will be filings in with the courts. They're not hearing our voices anyway and besides violence, I'm not sure what else can be done to make them hear them.
Google G20 summit in Pittsburg, those people weren't even violent and look what happened to them. Violence IMO won't work, especially when you're confronted with the 400,000+ foreign troops we have here waiting for this reaction from us. The puppeteers that created this fiasco are 4 steps ahead, they have plans for when things don't pan out as planned for them.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.

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I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to control my actions and try to overthrow the government... but as of right now it's just a discussion.
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It is now time for voting, one by one, from the rooftops.


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It is now time for voting, one by one, from the rooftops.


With Nikon cameras, of course.
Nicely done.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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It is now time for voting, one by one, from the rooftops.


With Nikon cameras, of course.
I have two camera's...one uses 9mm film and the other uses .223 film.

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post #19 of 39 (permalink) Old 11-21-2009, 11:56 PM
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Hold your horses, tonight was a test vote to get it into debate.
The dems held up harry reid up for concessions (ie: pork) to get this far. The cost of getting louisiana's vote was $100m. But there it is in the bill.

What do you expect when this terd comes up for a vote? The dems have to get 60 votes to pass it, and reid has already exhibited a reckless disregard for reason to get his votes. Since he has already exhibited a willingness to dole out our tax money to suit his wants and needs, the senators will hold him up for as much pork as they can, in order to guarantee a vote for the bill.

If it passes, I see a bill with the most pork ever. The dems have surely held up their reputation for taxing and spending.

The reckless spending that will be in the final bill, along with the provisions in the healthcare bill itself, should strike fear in the hearts of most americans. The people in government have clearly lost their fucking minds.

I sincerely hope that a housecleaning happens in 2010.
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I hope they burn in hell.

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I hope they burn in hell.
You and every other American that isn't mentally retarded.
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(thats right, in a fucking duel with guns, Jackson allowed his oppenent to fucking shoot at him before shooting back). Now we have Obama, who is a little bitch. God damn the presidency of the US is just not the same as it used to be.
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You and every other American that isn't mentally retarded.
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the vote last night was just to have a debate, in the bills current form they still do not have the votes to over run a filibuster. the bill still has to go to committee, I think the bill is going to be tweaked before they bring it to a vote.

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the vote last night was just to have a debate, in the bills current form they still do not have the votes to over run a filibuster. the bill still has to go to committee, I think the bill is going to be tweaked before they bring it to a vote.
This shouldn't even be up for debate. Fining and imprisoning people who don't have health care? What about people like me who don't even want it? Sorry, ain't fuckin' happenin'.
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It will pass and it will happen. It isn't about reading what is in this bill. They are only interested in putting their names in history on the coat tails of a black president. Self glorification at it's finest. By the time the truth comes out about the damage this has done to our freedoms, it will be too late.

Could "we the people" have done more to prevent this?
I think bama is right. We will just cling to our guns and religion while we watch helplessly as our freedoms vaporize.
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they should debate it with everyday joes.i have met not 1 person that thinks this is a good idea.not even the people who arn't awake yet.

thats bad when you can't find 1 fucking person for it,that isn't a politician of course.


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This big of an issue should be left up to the public to vote for, not congressmen....

Hell if we can vote in the president why can't we vote in/out ANY BILL that comes across Washington's table....

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This big of an issue should be left up to the public to vote for, not congressmen....

Hell if we can vote in the president why can't we vote in/out ANY BILL that comes across Washington's table....
Because "WE" vote these fucking two faced politicians who are supposed to represent us and vote. And in between that, the system gets manipulated.

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This shouldn't even be up for debate. Fining and imprisoning people who don't have health care? What about people like me who don't even want it? Sorry, ain't fuckin' happenin'.
when this goes to committee I think we might see that aspect removed from the bill, I also think in order to get the bill passed the public option may also be removed from the bill and replaced with whats being called a "trigger" where by if private competition does not improve and premiums do not decrease over a prescribed period of time, then a public option would automatically be triggered.

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When the British National Health Service was introduced in 1948, forecasts suggested spending of 260 million pounds in 1948/49. Spending was actually 38% higher, for an error ratio of 1.38 to 1.

American government health-care programs have a tendency to be over budget. Way over budget. Medicare? Medicaid DSH? SCHIP? Massachusetts Commonwealth Care? All, fantastically over budget, by a factor of 1.2:1 to 17:1, depending on the program and the time-frame.
This is my fear with a multi-trillion dollar health care.

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Only the Republicrats could come up with something this screwed up. The whole bill is written around the phrase "qualifying health plan," yet they never define what a qualifying health plan is actually.

The lesson learned should be clear. Vote each and every single incumbent out of office, and if there is a non Democrat or non Republican option for any office, then that is the clear and only choice.
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Only the Republicrats could come up with something this screwed up. The whole bill is written around the phrase "qualifying health plan," yet they never define what a qualifying health plan is actually.

The lesson learned should be clear. Vote each and every single incumbent out of office, and if there is a non Democrat or non Republican option for any office, then that is the clear and only choice.
If your going to do this. I would recommend not voting for dem's or repubs. Find an independent candidate to support. The dems and repubs are just 2 wings of the same vulture flying in the wrong direction. One side just wants to get there faster.



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I dont know much about politics so I have a rookie question. If this bill gets passed could a future president overturn it? I remember when bama got elected he seemed to be overturning alot of what Bush did.

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the vote last night was just to have a debate, in the bills current form they still do not have the votes to over run a filibuster. the bill still has to go to committee, I think the bill is going to be tweaked before they bring it to a vote.
It would be funny as hell if they tried and tried and hoped and hoped but in the end, even when in power, the demofags still couldn't get anything passed. I would laugh.

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SHut up!! Say that shit loud enough and they'll tax the shit out of it.
Anyone know why they actually came down? I hope it's not cause people are thinking that Barry won't be attacking the guns. I heard that the reason it's so high is cause the manufacturers can't keep up with the giant demand.
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