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How was Obama's "All eyez on me" speech at Ft. Hood?

Didn't catch it and was curious if it was as warm as his response speech where he eventually got the shooting, from the muslim terrorist?

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Didn't watch it, but as Rahm Emanuel says "never let a crisis go to waste" the blaming of guns as the problem has already started. http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/10/...-love-of-guns/

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It wasn't one of his typical speeches where he ends up talking about his agenda. He pretty much said what needed to be said and that was it.

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It wasn't one of his typical speeches where he ends up talking about his agenda. He pretty much said what needed to be said and that was it.
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It wasn't one of his typical speeches where he ends up talking about his agenda. He pretty much said what needed to be said and that was it.
Color me impressed. I was expecting some fist-bumps and more shout outs...

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Didn't watch it, but as Rahm Emanuel says "never let a crisis go to waste" the blaming of guns as the problem has already started.

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blood boiling about diverting the issue to "gun control"

Speaking of which, what type of firearm(s) did the damage? I heard he got off ~100 rounds or so.

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you mean like this?

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i missed it but i heard some talk about glocks and "hi capacity clips" on the radio.

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He never mentioned "terrorist", "terroristic act", or anything else that might offend his muslim brethren...it made me want to puke.

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He never mentioned "terrorist", "terroristic act", or anything else that might offend his muslim brethren...it made me want to puke.
So, is he officially a terrorist sympathizer at this point?

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Color me impressed. I was expecting some fist-bumps and more shout outs...
I do feel the need to qualify that I did not see/hear all of his speech. Here is the speech in its entirity in 3 parts. The end of part 1 jumps to some other part briefly. The beginning of part 2 is the very beginning of the speech, but only for a second, then continues where part 1 left off.

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So, is he officially a terrorist sympathizer at this point?
It's almost like he's afraid to admit an act of terror happened on his watch.

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That would mean his appology tour did absolutely nothing but make us look weak.
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blood boiling about diverting the issue to "gun control"

Speaking of which, what type of firearm(s) did the damage? I heard he got off ~100 rounds or so.

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Can't contribute to the thread cause I didn't get to see or hear the speach.

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If everyone at Fort Hood would've had a gun, he never would've gotten off 100+ rounds, killed 13 and wounded 30+. He'd have been dead long before then, and we wouldn't be worrying about hearing his side of the story either.

Heck, if he wouldn't known everyone in there was armed, he probably wouldn't have had the nads to do it in the first place.
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Heck, if he wouldn't known everyone in there was armed, he probably wouldn't have had the nads to do it in the first place.
I hear what you're saying, but if every soldier is allocated rounds/weapons there would be a lot more stories about soliders killing other soldiers.

Of course, you're going to believe what you want. I just think the reality is that current policy on issuing weapons sucks, but is safe. This one type of incident may not happen, but a lot of other accidents and straight murders would happen.

If you just issue weapons when troops are on-duty and take them away when off-duty, these shootings would be planned when weapons are taken away. When off duty it is common practice for soldiers to drink heavily, and in the civilian world it is illegal to carry when drinking or in a bar - it would be no different for our military.

Just stuff I saw during active duty time PEACE TIME....I could see a lot of troops doing stupid stuff when extremely pissed off. It just seems like the way one behaves when not deployed and the way a person behaves when deployed are totally different. I like the ideas of higher rank carrying and so forth. I'm mainly concerned about the under 21 (which, if I remember right you have to be 21 for a CHL as a civilian as well.) military. A little young and not really "getting it" when it comes to the consequences...yadda...yadda.

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You know, if a soldier REALLY wants to kill another soldier, they just wait till they're at the range, or you know....do what Hasan did.

Soldiers should be able to carry at all times
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If you're old enough to be enlisted and die for your country then you are old enough to carry a weapon.

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Didn't watch it, but as Rahm Emanuel says "never let a crisis go to waste" the blaming of guns as the problem has already started. http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/10/...-love-of-guns/
I like how he blames this on America's "love of guns"...yet he declines to mention the love of 2x4's shown by the wonderful citizens of his and Obama's beloved Chicago!!!




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If everyone at Fort Hood would've had a gun, he never would've gotten off 100+ rounds, killed 13 and wounded 30+. He'd have been dead long before then, and we wouldn't be worrying about hearing his side of the story either.

Heck, if he wouldn't known everyone in there was armed, he probably wouldn't have had the nads to do it in the first place.
This wasn't a gun problem because there was a gun there, it was a gun problem because there was only ONE gun there.

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You know, if a soldier REALLY wants to kill another soldier, they just wait till they're at the range, or you know....do what Hasan did.

Soldiers should be able to carry at all times
I'll post as I did on another forum, that in general we agree just we disagree on the aspect of training and who should carry. I know you're past infantry, but that does not take away from the realistic point of view that it'll change the modern military and how it operates.

Inventory, supervision and training will add another micro-managemetn point of view to the common soldier's daily life.

If it has to be all or nothing, I'll contradict myself and make it so all can carry. Just put good training behind it for the young guys. Remember, support people have a different look on firearms and may not understand the details on their ROE for an on-base shootout.

This is a reason I dig the TX CHL program. The 10 hour training session opens people's eyes to reality of shooting someone. I'd rather see the more matured folks carrying, but if I straight up had to choose, I choose what I mentioned above.

I just think it would be slick to throw the training into PLDC and call it done. I guess it makes just as much sense to throw it into boot camp.

Meh, at the end of the day I WANT to support it. I just really think there will be a lot more problems then solutions with all troops armed 24x7, drunk, sober, happy depress...etc...etc.

Frankly, as a society it needs to be decided...all armed or not? I like the CHL class as mentioned earlier... however, should the whole think be a requirement for it? Should it be optional?

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Actually, I'm thinking having your personal weapon on you. No micromangament. We're trusted with missiles, tanks, SAWs and landmines, we damned sure can handle our personal weapons.

More problems? There isn't a problem with people carrying. Every day, tens of millions of gun owners carry and in 44 states, they legally open carry. You don't hear about them going crazy and offing people because they have access to a gun. However, those who DO want to harm others aren't really going to be interested in laws against them carrying because you know...they're going to kill someone anyway.
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Actually, I'm thinking having your personal weapon on you. No micromangament. We're trusted with missiles, tanks, SAWs and landmines, we damned sure can handle our personal weapons.
Concur, with training, supervision and all that jazz. In general they don't just throw you in an M1A- and tell ya good luck. Although I disagree on some of your points, like I said if I had a vote....I'd vote all carry.

Also, my decision is more influenced by a little researching and determining that it was a Clinton era thing that caused this to happen as opposed to anything else. Therefore, if it worked at one time it should work now.

However, as I've repeated over and over again I think there should be training for the benefit of the solider. Something along the lines of what TX CHL holder goes through. It's good stuff.

Are you saying only personal carry weapons or the option for a troop to have both?

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Concur, with training, supervision and all that jazz. In general they don't just throw you in an M1A- and tell ya good luck. Although I disagree on some of your points, like I said if I had a vote....I'd vote all carry.

Also, my decision is more influenced by a little researching and determining that it was a Clinton era thing that caused this to happen as opposed to anything else. Therefore, if it worked at one time it should work now.

However, as I've repeated over and over again I think there should be training for the benefit of the solider. Something along the lines of what TX CHL holder goes through. It's good stuff.

Are you saying only personal carry weapons or the option for a troop to have both?
I'm pretty sure that our troops go through MORE firearms training than a CHL holder is required.

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I'm pretty sure that our troops go through MORE firearms training than a CHL holder is required.
Hasan had plenty of training, but all the training in the world doesn't stop crazy. You don't need training to go around shooting people. And you don't need much training to take down a crazy fuck shooting people.

No guns on base, has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard out of the Military.

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I'm pretty sure that our troops go through MORE firearms training than a CHL holder is required.
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I'm saying the soldier should be able to carry their own. I hold the 2nd to be inviolate as it is written. If I want my .45 on my hip, I should be able to carry it.

And our weapon training is FAR more intensive than the CHL
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