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New Hero: Sgt. Kimberly Munley

Good job Sergeant! She put four rounds in that sack of shit that murdered our troops, despite being hit herself. Tough broad! God Bless, and I wish you a speedy recovery!

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Good job Sargeant! She put four rounds in that sack of shit that murdered our troops, despite being hit herself. Tough broad! God Bless, and I wish you a speedy recovery!

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The hero cop who ended the bloody rampage at Fort Hood had been directing traffic moments before she confronted the gunman and pumped four bullets into him despite being shot herself.

Civilian police Sgt. Kimberly Munley and her partner responded within three minutes of reported gunfire Thursday afternoon, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said Friday.

Munley, who had been trained in active-response tactics, rushed into the building and confronted the shooter as he was turning a corner, Cone said.

"It was an amazing and an aggressive performance by this police officer," Cone said.

Munley was only a few feet from crazed Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan when she opened fire.

Wounded in the exchange of gunfire, Munley was reported in stable condition at a local hospital.

The hero cop spent Thursday night phoning fellow officers to let them know she was fine and to find out about casualties in the attack - the deadliest ever on a military base in the U.S., Cone said.

Cone said Munley's aggressive response training taught her that "if you act aggressively to take out a shooter you will have less fatalities."

"She walked up and engaged him," he said. He praised her as "one of our most impressive young police officers."
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I'm surprised she could pull herself from generating revenue to do such a fine job!

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Wow. who knows how many more lives she saved.
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She is truly a hero. Hats off to one bad ass officer.
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I figured some would like that......
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I was about to blast you for that comment, then my sarcasm detector went off after reading the post(s) below.

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Well played.

Thanks. I don't know of a single fellow officer that wouldn't rather rush headlong into her situation than to write a ticket...

A real officer that is. We have several that just come to work and collect a paycheck.
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Here's just a random thought. She got off at least 4 shots that were hits.

I wonder about shot placement and why at least one wasn't a head shot.


I don't know, but she might have got a headshot, just thinking out loud here..
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Here's just a random thought. She got off at least 4 shots that were hits.

I wonder about shot placement and why at least one wasn't a head shot.


I don't know, but she might have got a headshot, just thinking out loud here..
I just heard she was hit immediately...like before she even fired a shot. I'm also hearing she hit him at least twice (after she was shot), and her partner may have hit him twice. No one seems to be sure.

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Here's just a random thought. She got off at least 4 shots that were hits.

I wonder about shot placement and why at least one wasn't a head shot.


I don't know, but she might have got a headshot, just thinking out loud here..
Rushing in to situation like that, taking careful aim for a head shot? Right.

Center of mass, easiest and mostly likely area you'll hit in situations like that.

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I just heard she was hit immediately...like before she even fired a shot. I'm also hearing she hit him at least twice (after she was shot), and her partner may have hit him twice. No one seems to be sure.
There's a somewhat unscientific way to figure out who shot how many rounds.

Count the rounds left in their mags and compare to how many they hold.

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I bet if she's asked, she'll say she "was just doing her job".
I'll echo Matt in saying good officers would much rather be putting down real "bad guys" than writing tickets, but it's all part of the job.
My hat is off to her and all others "on the job" that put public safety before personal safety.
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There's a somewhat unscientific way to figure out who shot how many rounds.

Count the rounds left in their mags and compare to how many they hold.
Aren't you assuming all rounds found their target?

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Here's just a random thought. She got off at least 4 shots that were hits.

I wonder about shot placement and why at least one wasn't a head shot.


I don't know, but she might have got a headshot, just thinking out loud here..
Are LEO's trained to shoot for the head? The higher percentage shot is always center mass. Obviously snipers and special tactics groups would go for the head but in a panic situation I'd think you'd train the average beat cop to go for the most likely shot to stop a perp and not hit bystanders.

Btw, 4 rounds on target doesn't mean it was 4 rounds center mass. For all we know she could have hit him 3 times in the legs and once in the neck. Regardless she was very brave and is a true hero. I don't know very many people that would run straight into a fire fight with a crazed murderer.

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No, I just forgot to add that disclaimer.

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Lol. I was about to tell you to STFU until I saw who it was...


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I recently heard the perp fired over 100 rounds himself.

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Are LEO's trained to shoot for the head? The higher percentage shot is always center mass. Obviously snipers and special tactics groups would go for the head but in a panic situation I'd think you'd train the average beat cop to go for the most likely shot to stop a perp and not hit bystanders.

Btw, 4 rounds on target doesn't mean it was 4 rounds center mass. For all we know she could have hit him 3 times in the legs and once in the neck. Regardless she was very brave and is a true hero. I don't know very many people that would run straight into a fire fight with a crazed murderer.
Not specifically trained to shoot the head, but there has been drills taught on this.

Say you have someone wearing body armor like in the Hollywood shootout. Then you have a better chance of a headshot.

Sometimes in a high stress situation you will walk your rounds up a target.

I'd like to know some more on this shooting....
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I recently heard the perp fired over 100 rounds himself.
Geez, this wasn't "premeditated".....

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Lol. I was about to tell you to STFU until I saw who it was...




Yea, and since everyone changed their avatar, it makes it hard as hell to know who's saying what...

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Did you hear what weapon the piece of shit was using? An FN Five Seven, the man knew what to get, especially if body armor was encountered.

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I'm glad she didn't kill that prick.
Why? Wouldn't it be cheaper than hospital bills, a trial, and then paying for the fucker to live the rest of his life in prison. I mean shit a .45 round is pretty cheap
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For some reason I thought the cop had died. Maybe a different cop died? I don't know, I was too disgusted to watch the whole story. Anyway, does anyone here find it even slightly weird that a cop stopped 'em, on a base full of automatic weapon wielding marines? What was a cop even doing there? Don't they have military police? Just something I found to be strange.
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Hadn't really thought of it but it's pretty damned cool that a woman did the bringing down. Now the piece of shit loses face with his other deranged lunatic buddies, (for the slow crowd) as women are looked down upon and considered to be weaker...
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Hadn't really thought of it but it's pretty damned cool that a woman did the bringing down. Now the piece of shit loses face with his other deranged lunatic buddies, (for the slow crowd) as women are looked down upon and considered to be weaker...
It's got to be humiliating for a muslim when a female takes them out.

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Did you hear what weapon the piece of shit was using? An FN Five Seven, the man knew what to get, especially if body armor was encountered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
I used to want one of those until I researched ammo availability.
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For some reason I thought the cop had died. Maybe a different cop died? I don't know, I was too disgusted to watch the whole story. Anyway, does anyone here find it even slightly weird that a cop stopped 'em, on a base full of automatic weapon wielding marines? What was a cop even doing there? Don't they have military police? Just something I found to be strange.
Have you ever been in the military?


While on base, it's not like soldiers run around like guerillas of war loaded down with a chache of weapons and ammo. Weapons are locked down in the armory and the only ones that customarily have weapons is the perimiter gaurds guarding the base entry/exits.
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First off, Ft. Hood is Army. We take offense to being called Jar Heads. Secondly, everything is locked down. Hard locked down.

And those guarding the gates? When I was there we had empty mags
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I always thought that they had military police. I was also under the impression that the police had no jurisdiction on base, and the military had no jurisdiction off base. Guess I was wrong.
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I'm ex Army. One thing I always thought was odd was that I had to lock up my personal weapon in the armory. At the time I was in Virginia and I had a CHL. I could go most anywhere off base with a concealed handgun but the moment I got back on base, I had to go lock it up.

I know we have a few knuckleheads that shouldn't be anywhere near a weapon but frankly those guys shouldn't be in the military to begin with. I think the Army needs to reconsider their regulations on privately owned weapons. If just one CHL holder was there with his sidearm this tragedy might have been greatly reduced. The Army could still regulate who can and cannot conceal carry on post but they should definitely make it so more off duty (and on duty) soldiers are armed.

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I always thought that they had military police. I was also under the impression that the police had no jurisdiction on base, and the military had no jurisdiction off base. Guess I was wrong.
Bases do have armed MP's. They also have civilian armed guards so MPs can be used in combat areas or other duties. The lady that was shot was an civilian armed guard, not a police officer.

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I think the Army needs to reconsider their regulations on privately owned weapons. If just one CHL holder was there with his sidearm this tragedy might have been greatly reduced. The Army could still regulate who can and cannot conceal carry on post but they should definitely make it so more off duty (and on duty) soldiers are armed.
Yeah that is weird. I mean I consider people in the military to have a much higher responsibility than civilian cops, but yet the cops are practically encouraged to carry when not on duty.
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She served in the Army herself and is a Department of Defense Police Officer. She is also a member of the "special response team". There were probably few on base better equipped to handle the situation than her.
The D.O.D. Police are a fixture on many (if not most) military bases. They handle most of the duties that a patrol officer would handle on a municipal police force. As was previously mentioned, this frees up the MPs (or Masters at Arms or Air Police, depending on branch of service) to be deployed.
The individual branches investigative bureaus (CID, NCIS, etc.) handle investigative duties for crimes committed on military installations and act as joint investigators in crimes against service members that occur off post.
I think the reason the FBI has gotten involved in the Ft. Hood situation is because of the early indicators of a possible terrorist act.
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what kind of weapon did the perp use???
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Did you hear what weapon the piece of shit was using? An FN Five Seven, the man knew what to get, especially if body armor was encountered.

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Why? Now we have to pay to keep that mother fucker alive for who knows how many years until if and when he gets the needle. Fuck him.
I'd squeeze information out of him, then televise that woman finishing the job, over in doon-coon town. They all better be glad i'm not running the show, or they would all have a new fear.
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Why? Now we have to pay to keep that mother fucker alive for who knows how many years until if and when he gets the needle. Fuck him.
As Justin said, information...

But there is an added bonus. He won't be spending his years living it up. He'll be going to Leavenworth. That prison is a special kind of hell where he gets to spend his days making big rocks into little rocks. Trust me, he'll fuckin' suffer befor they slide a needle into him.

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But there is an added bonus. He won't be spending his years living it up. He'll be going to Leavenworth. That prison is a special kind of hell where he gets to spend his days making big rocks into little rocks. Trust me, he'll fuckin' suffer befor they slide a needle into him.
I saw a headline that said he would be "eligible" for the death penalty, according to military law. They mentioned the circumstances, but I can't remember why they said that.

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He'll be going to Leavenworth. That prison is a special kind of hell... Trust me, he'll fuckin' suffer befor they slide a needle into him.
Death is a wet dream compared to what he'll endure there. He'll be locked up with other military criminals.

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