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Is secession becoming a reality?

They are talking about it more often. And some Texas politicization are on board.

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1623872.html

I honestly think we would be better off. The U.S. government has gotten way to big and out of control. A smaller government, say like the republic of Texas, would be easier to control.



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Interesting article, not much to it though.

Secession would be hard. I am not saying Texas couldn't do it, but it would be a battle, I think there would be serious repercussions.

That being said, freedom has a cost.

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Most folks that are talking about secession are not thinking it through very much. As slow06 said, there would be serious repercussions. Defense is one serious repercussion. Do you think the US military would just leave all that hardware in Texas proper? We would be surrounded on all sides by a potential adversary and we would have a probable adversary to the south. Not to mention that southern adversary has a shit load of its citizenry within our borders.

A Texan succession, all by itself is a no go. We would need several states to come with us. It wouldn't be the other former confederate states either.

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Most folks that are talking about secession are not thinking it through very much. As slow06 said, there would be serious repercussions. Defense is one serious repercussion. Do you think the US military would just leave all that hardware in Texas proper? We would be surrounded on all sides by a potential adversary and we would have a probable adversary to the south. Not to mention that southern adversary has a shit load of its citizenry within our borders.

A Texan succession, all by itself is a no go. We would need several states to come with us. It wouldn't be the other former confederate states either.
Very true. Look up how many states are talking about it. The reason for the question.



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Secession is not a viable tool for the issues we now face.
All it would do is vilify those that seceded and lead to events that absolutely no one wants.

2 things to remember here:

1. There are other tools that states can use to tell the Feds to F off....
They can stop taking federal money for BS policies....
They can refuse to implement rules that are deemed unconstitutional by the state.

If you have 10 states that constantly force a judicial cage match every time the legislative or ececutive branch does something outside their reach, alot of this crap we see would come to a grinding halt.

2. Those of us who have lived through this has seen it before... We are actually living in the 70s and Barry is Carter... there is no doubt in my mind... I'm telling you, after this administration\congress the pendulum is gonna swing to the right BIG TIME. People who used to sit on the sidelines of politics have had enough, and its gonna show in the next few elections.

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There was a lot of talk about it in the '70's here in Texas. I remember all the "Secede!" bumperstickers (when we actually had bumpers!). I think for Texans, it's more venting than anything. We absorbed a SHITLOAD of folks in the mid-late '70's who came down here looking for work from up north, and I think Texans were showing rebellion. The other popular bumper sticker was "Native Texan" (that you still see some).
Secession is a nice thought in some ways, but I don't think it's realistic.

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Secession is not a viable tool for the issues we now face.
All it would do is vilify those that seceded and lead to events that absolutely no one wants.

2 things to remember here:

1. There are other tools that states can use to tell the Feds to F off....
They can stop taking federal money for BS policies....
They can refuse to implement rules that are deemed unconstitutional by the state.

If you have 10 states that constantly force a judicial cage match every time the legislative or ececutive branch does something outside their reach, alot of this crap we see would come to a grinding halt.

2. Those of us who have lived through this has seen it before... We are actually living in the 70s and Barry is Carter... there is no doubt in my mind... I'm telling you, after this administration\congress the pendulum is gonna swing to the right BIG TIME. People who used to sit on the sidelines of politics have had enough, and its gonna show in the next few elections.
I agree with this post.
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Most folks that are talking about secession are not thinking it through very much. As slow06 said, there would be serious repercussions. Defense is one serious repercussion. Do you think the US military would just leave all that hardware in Texas proper? We would be surrounded on all sides by a potential adversary and we would have a probable adversary to the south. Not to mention that southern adversary has a shit load of its citizenry within our borders.

A Texan succession, all by itself is a no go. We would need several states to come with us. It wouldn't be the other former confederate states either.
Not only that but the middle east might even decide to start targeting Texas. Especially since Bush(s) reside here.

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The feds don't give a shit, they do what they want when and how they want to do it. If we do secede they'll find a way to fuck us.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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bla bla bla i've heard this for 40 years. only difference would be higher taxes and the same prick in our ass wraped in a different flag. dont like the way things are going....vote right next time. if fucking kills me how many people voted for hoebama just because they hated bush. in my family too so i know a bunch and all are freakin retarded when it comes to politics .fuck party vote for the man.

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bla bla bla i've heard this for 40 years. only difference would be higher taxes and the same prick in our ass wraped in a different flag. dont like the way things are going....vote right next time. if fucking kills me how many people voted for hoebama just because they hated bush. in my family too so i know a bunch and all are freakin retarded when it comes to politics .fuck party vote for the man.
Sorry man, but this tax part is not true. You do realize that Texas sends the feds a shit load more of our income tax, than we receive back from the feds.


The reality of it is, taxes would go down considerably. Smaller government would waste less money.



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Sorry man, but this tax part is not true. You do realize that Texas sends the feds a shit load more of our income tax, than we receive back from the feds.


The reality of it is, taxes would go down considerably. Smaller government would waste less money.
But how much of that money do the feds spend on us?

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But how much of that money do the feds spend on us?
A hell of a lot less than we send them.

Look man this is first grader math. Think about it.



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The feds don't give a shit, they do what they want when and how they want to do it. If we do secede they'll find a way to fuck us.
...and we can sell them oil @ $250 a barrel and natural gas $12 cubic foot...Let those yankee's freeze their asses off. LOL!

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I'm floored everytime I see these threads. First of all that people can be so damn selfish as to put their state above their country. To so quickly want to just bug on out. Same fuckers that probably think being called a "Texan" is more important then being an American. I do not give a damned if that pisses you off. Nothing is more important then our country.

Second, to think Texas and Texas alone could thrive being a foreign place to the United States. Egos that'll totally screw you if it were to somehow happen after hell froze over.

Texas has its good point, but in a modern world you'd shoot yourself in the foot pushing for something like this. Granted, all ya need is some potatos and crap to survive and you'll end up in that era fairly quick.

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I'm floored everytime I see these threads. First of all that people can be so damn selfish as to put their state above their country. To so quickly want to just bug on out. Same fuckers that probably think being called a "Texan" is more important then being an American. I do not give a damned if that pisses you off. Nothing is more important then our country.

Second, to think Texas and Texas alone could thrive being a foreign place to the United States. Egos that'll totally screw you if it were to somehow happen after hell froze over.

Texas has its good point, but in a modern world you'd shoot yourself in the foot pushing for something like this. Granted, all ya need is some potatos and crap to survive and you'll end up in that era fairly quick.
Being born and raised here (for 49 years!), it's always been a topic, and probably always will be. It just out of frustration, and a way for folks to vent. I imagine there are very few who are serious about it.

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Being born and raised here (for 49 years!), it's always been a topic, and probably always will be. It just out of frustration, and a way for folks to vent. I imagine there are very few who are serious about it.
Man, I hope you're right (in regards to the "majority") and I get what you're saying.

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I'm floored everytime I see these threads. First of all that people can be so damn selfish as to put their state above their country. To so quickly want to just bug on out. Same fuckers that probably think being called a "Texan" is more important then being an American. I do not give a damned if that pisses you off. Nothing is more important then our country.

Second, to think Texas and Texas alone could thrive being a foreign place to the United States. Egos that'll totally screw you if it were to somehow happen after hell froze over.

Texas has its good point, but in a modern world you'd shoot yourself in the foot pushing for something like this. Granted, all ya need is some potatos and crap to survive and you'll end up in that era fairly quick.
If you are referring to the America as it was founded, as the laws where before 1913. I would have to agree with you.

But what about America today? What would you be defending? Over taxation? The patriot act? Battle hardened military forces patrolling the streets? (Look up Montana). The IRS illegally taking money from your labor? The Federal reserve? The U.S. turning into a police state? (look up Pittsburgh G20). Mandatory vaccinations? (look up Massachusetts new laws on H1N1) No retribution for the people that are negativity affected by the Vaccines? (look up the obamas executive orders ).
F.E.M.A. and there mishandling of Katrina? How about the S.S. you have been paying all your life, that is now out of money because Clinton put it in the general fund?
The unjustified war in Iraq? 22k + laws on the books that are in violation of the constitution? (the 22k are just gun laws)
Free speech zones? Or having to get permission to do what the first amendment said we have a right to do?

Edit: there is a ton more, I'm just tired of typing......... Gov take over of GM...... Sorry I can not defend this.

You are not in the America your thinking of if you do not consider what I have listed above.

Or are you defending news media hype/propaganda?

Look man, you have valid points and feelings, and I wish I could agree with you. But I do believe a smaller government within Texas would be much easier to control, than it would be to get the feds back to where they should be. And less blood shed too. As far as survivability, it's not ego, look at the numbers.

But if you have a plan to get the feds to obey and follow the constitution, I'm on board 100%

Secession is just one option. I do not prefer this option, But it would be easier.

Economic slavery is no longer an option for me.

Edit: I'm not even going to get into the State above the Country, because it is and has been this way since the beginning as it should be. The United Stated, is just exactly this. States that are loosely united by a limited federal government controled and run by reps. of the states.



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Texas as a new country would be seen as very unstable so you would have to expect an overwhelming majority of businesses to leave Texas. unemployment would skyrocket. goods arriving from outside of texas would then see price increases.

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we as texans can't even vote in people that can keep their hands out of the cookie jar on the local school boards.........and we are now capable of running this state like a country HAHAHAHAHA....good luck guys.

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Look man, you have valid points and feelings, and I wish I could agree with you. But I do believe a smaller government within Texas would be much easier to control, than it would be to get the feds back to where they should be. And less blood shed too. As far as survivability, it's not ego, look at the numbers.

But if you have a plan to get the feds to obey and follow the constitution, I'm on board 100%
I'm an American, proud of it, veteran and I fly my United States of America flag proudly. You can run away and quit supporting our awesome country all you want. I'd much rather love her through good and bad.

If you'd quit being such a whiner, you'd realize that we still have it GOOD. Keep fighting the good fight for the country, not JUST for yourself and not just for Texas.

I hear what you're saying, but I WILL NOT run from my country. Why don't you go to another country since in essence that's what you're saying you want to do? I tell ya, I have not been to a single country as awesome as the United States.

Again, I FULLY understand what you're saying about the problems. This is the time to really dig in and support organizations that support your beliefs. Vote the way you feel best and really try to get things back on track. This is not when you should run away cause things are not the way you like them to be. If eventually there is the supposed uprising and all that, well - go with them and do what you feel is right. I hope to god that things get a little better before all that happens.

All I know is I'm not going to just diss everything that a lot of people have sacrificed and say "fuck it" to my country. I'm going to continue to support veteran organizations (In essence supporting a lot of the things you and I agree on are problems, as these organizations agree with the common folks like you and I), vote/not vote the way I want, I'm going to raise my kids to understand integrity and have them try to do their part to make the country better...etc...etc. If Texas were to somehow seperate, I'll take my patriotic ass to another state in a heartbeat, with my Texas wife screaming and kicking.

You're right, somethings need to change but running is not the answer.

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I'm an American, proud of it, veteran and I fly my United States of America flag proudly. You can run away and quit supporting our awesome country all you want. I'd much rather love her through good and bad.

If you'd quit being such a whiner, you'd realize that we still have it GOOD. Keep fighting the good fight for the country, not JUST for yourself and not just for Texas.

I hear what you're saying, but I WILL NOT run from my country. Why don't you go to another country since in essence that's what you're saying you want to do? I tell ya, I have not been to a single country as awesome as the United States.

Again, I FULLY understand what you're saying about the problems. This is the time to really dig in and support organizations that support your beliefs. Vote the way you feel best and really try to get things back on track. This is not when you should run away cause things are not the way you like them to be. If eventually there is the supposed uprising and all that, well - go with them and do what you feel is right. I hope to god that things get a little better before all that happens.

All I know is I'm not going to just diss everything that a lot of people have sacrificed and say "fuck it" to my country. I'm going to continue to support veteran organizations (In essence supporting a lot of the things you and I agree on are problems, as these organizations agree with the common folks like you and I), vote/not vote the way I want, I'm going to raise my kids to understand integrity and have them try to do their part to make the country better...etc...etc. If Texas were to somehow seperate, I'll take my patriotic ass to another state in a heartbeat, with my Texas wife screaming and kicking.

You're right, somethings need to change but running is not the answer.

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Oh, trust me, Whining is not what I'm doing. I just know a hell of a lot more about whats going on than you do! And what it will take to get true freedom back. If you had actually read what I wrote, you would see what I prefer, and that would be, keeping it all together, but I also prefer less blood shed. (did you miss that part?) Liberals pissing on the U.S. population will only go so far before people start killing one another. <------ And because of this point, I ask you for a solution that we could stand behind before the blood shed started. What did you offer? Name calling and insults.

Running, Bit me. I did my time too, long before you did. I don't run from any one or thing. But according to you, you will run, and your big, bad ass, will be dragging some one that may not want to go. And you will be running straight into a full blown communist/fascist run country at the point any state does succeed. Don't believe me? Read the communist manifesto, and then tell me where our country really is. So who is the whiner and runner? Your statement said a lot about you. (Liberal)

So once again, how about a useful suggestion to get things back on track. Maybe this time with out insulting people or calling people, that you know nothing about, names.



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Texas as a new country would be seen as very unstable so you would have to expect an overwhelming majority of businesses to leave Texas. unemployment would skyrocket. goods arriving from outside of texas would then see price increases.
Really? How many hours did you research this? Where do you base your info from?

I'm not disputing you, Just wondering how you came about your conclusion.

The reason I as, is because company's are driven by profit. They migrate to areas of lower cost of doing business. Compare Texas taxes to Cal. Look at how many company's have moved from Cal. or New York, to here in the last 20 years because of this.

Now, Suppose the feds pass this new cap and trade crap...... I say the company's will be fighting to get here, to get away from the undue, and un-necessary taxes.
Where do you think these company's will go if they do pass this tax? (assuming no secession) They will go to Mexico, China, Or any where they can to try to maintain their profit.



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Oh, trust me, Whining is not what I'm doing. I just know a hell of a lot more about whats going on than you do! And what it will take to get true freedom back. If you had actually read what I wrote, you would see what I prefer, and that would be, keeping it all together, but I also prefer less blood shed. (did you miss that part?) Liberals pissing on the U.S. population will only go so far before people start killing one another. <------ And because of this point, I ask you for a solution that we could stand behind before the blood shed started. What did you offer? Name calling and insults.

Running, Bit me. I did my time too, long before you did. I don't run from any one or thing. But according to you, you will run, and your big, bad ass, will be dragging some one that may not want to go. And you will be running straight into a full blown communist/fascist run country at the point any state does succeed. Don't believe me? Read the communist manifesto, and then tell me where our country really is. So who is the whiner and runner? Your statement said a lot about you. (Liberal)

So once again, how about a useful suggestion to get things back on track. Maybe this time with out insulting people or calling people, that you know nothing about, names.
I'm done with you, apparently you failed to read what I said. Good luck to ya.

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Although I don't agree with it right now. I will quote something for you guys. Tell me if you know where it is from. I have a copy of it hanging in my living room.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;

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Although I don't agree with it right now. I will quote something for you guys. Tell me if you know where it is from. I have a copy of it hanging in my living room.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;
The Declaration of Independence, a document which our countries foundation was built upon, but much like the core beliefs and intentions of the founding fathers, it was forgotten and tread upon long ago

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Really? How many hours did you research this? Where do you base your info from?

I'm not disputing you, Just wondering how you came about your conclusion.

The reason I as, is because company's are driven by profit. They migrate to areas of lower cost of doing business. Compare Texas taxes to Cal. Look at how many company's have moved from Cal. or New York, to here in the last 20 years because of this.

Now, Suppose the feds pass this new cap and trade crap...... I say the company's will be fighting to get here, to get away from the undue, and un-necessary taxes.
Where do you think these company's will go if they do pass this tax? (assuming no secession) They will go to Mexico, China, Or any where they can to try to maintain their profit.
companies move here but we are still part of the united states, if texas becomes its own country then anything moving from texas to the rest of the us would be subject to increased costs. in addition to that currency exchange would become an issue too, that adds to the cost of doing business. with out any trade acts in place it would be a while before texas could do business with the rest of the world including the US.

national defense would be an issue as well, every single defense contractor in texas would leave (the us government had deeper pockets). federal agencies would pull their people out everything from the coast guard and border patrol to the SEC, crime and drug trafficking would go unchallenged.

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companies move here but we are still part of the united states, if texas becomes its own country then anything moving from texas to the rest of the us would be subject to increased costs. in addition to that currency exchange would become an issue too, that adds to the cost of doing business. with out any trade acts in place it would be a while before texas could do business with the rest of the world including the US.

national defense would be an issue as well, every single defense contractor in texas would leave (the us government had deeper pockets). federal agencies would pull their people out everything from the coast guard and border patrol to the SEC, crime and drug trafficking would go unchallenged.
At least be realistic. This is just comical.

The state has always been independent and the idea of leaving is part of the spirit of Texas. If the federal government gets too crazy with its horseshit then we should at least threaten to leave. Think about it, every year that goes by we have less and less in common with the people of New York, Chicago, Taxachusetts. Why would we continue to support them? It makes no sense beyond blind patriotism. Their ideas for government have become more like western europe and less like our own. I see people here talk of patriotism and supporting the spirit of this country. A lot of people up there are doing neither.
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It would require SEVERAL other states to leave the USA for anything like this to work. This would create a civil war and bloodshed..

We would need to find solid leaders, and do what is necessary to make it work. Things that would probably be considered immoral. Unfortunately there are a lot of immigrants that not only don't have US pride, they don't have Texas pride. It would be a hard battle.

Secession should be an absolute last resort.

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At least be realistic. This is just comical.

The state has always been independent and the idea of leaving is part of the spirit of Texas. If the federal government gets too crazy with its horseshit then we should at least threaten to leave. Think about it, every year that goes by we have less and less in common with the people of New York, Chicago, Taxachusetts. Why would we continue to support them? It makes no sense beyond blind patriotism. Their ideas for government have become more like western europe and less like our own. I see people here talk of patriotism and supporting the spirit of this country. A lot of people up there are doing neither.
you really think we differ that much? I travel a lot, and I see texas as a very moderate state. we have always been orientated as a business conservative state, though very liberal in how we offer incentives to businesses.

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Well the Civil War sets a strong precendent against seccession being legal. Thomas Jefferson felt that at some point the country would become so big that it would become necessary in order for the government to run efficiently as intended. It turns out Jefferson is correct, but at the same time, you currently have a goverment that views anyone thinking of seccession as a terrorist..... It ain't ever gonna happen without a fight.
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I'm done with you, apparently you failed to read what I said. Good luck to ya.
LOL. You where done before you started. You have nothing to offer but name calling and running. Just like your running from this debate. And yes I did read what you said. You said you love America, even with all of it's flaws. OK, so do I.
You said you would run, if Texas does succeed, instead of fighting for what you believe in. And you where going to revert to cave man mentality and drag your wife kicking and screaming, with you.

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companies move here but we are still part of the united states, if texas becomes its own country then anything moving from texas to the rest of the us would be subject to increased costs. in addition to that currency exchange would become an issue too, that adds to the cost of doing business. with out any trade acts in place it would be a while before texas could do business with the rest of the world including the US.

national defense would be an issue as well, every single defense contractor in texas would leave (the us government had deeper pockets). federal agencies would pull their people out everything from the coast guard and border patrol to the SEC, crime and drug trafficking would go unchallenged.

Please read what I said......... If the feds impose the Cap and trade, company's will leave this country like you have never seen company's leave before. This is the key to my statement. But your rebuttal seems to be based on this cap and trade not happening, if so, your statement is correct.

BTW, just for the record. I do not want Texas to leave the union, under the circumstance we have today, but soon it will become unbearable, and some say impossible to even eak out a living under all the proposed new federal laws coming out, or being introduced in congress. Just something to think about for the future.



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