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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-17-2009, 01:33 AM Thread Starter
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Obamas first "TRUE" test.

General Mccrystal (sp) is expected to request an additonal 30-40k troops for Afghanistan from President Obama in the coming days.

I say this is his first TRUE test because this is the first policy decision that would fly in the face of EVERY LIBERAL, PERIOD.

He said all through his campaign that the War in afghanistan was the "good war", and was vital to the security of the US that we end up victorious.

What do you think? Will he stand up and give his General the requested troop?

Or is he gonna flop like every other time that he gets criticized for not being to the left of Castro?


My vote for the latter.
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I'm hoping that he will send troops. Never give up hope and all that...


In other news he capitulated to the Russians and killed the European missile shield. Nice pic of Putin winking at someone...


Obama scrapping missile shield for Czech, Poland

PRAGUE – President Barack Obama has decided to scrap plans for a U.S. missile defense shield in the Czech Republic and Poland that had deeply angered Russia, the Czech prime minister confirmed Thursday.

NATO's new chief hailed the move as "a positive step" and a Russian analyst said Obama's decision will increase the chances that Russia will cooperate more closely with the United States in the dispute over Iran's nuclear program.

The plan, proposed by the Bush administration, aimed to defend the United States and its European allies against a possible missile attack from Iran or elsewhere in the Middle East. In all, 10 interceptor rockets were to have been stationed in Poland and a radar system based in the Czech Republic.

But Russia was livid over the prospect of having U.S. interceptor rockets in countries so close to its territory, and the Obama administration has sought to improve strained ties with the Kremlin.

"The U.S. president's decision is a well-thought (out) and systematic one," said Konstantin Kosachev, head of the foreign affairs committee in the State Duma, the lower house of the Russian parliament. "It reflects understanding that any security measure can't be built entirely on the basis of one nation."

"Now we can talk about restoration of (the) strategic partnership between Russia and the United States," Kosachev added.

Alexei Arbatov, head of the Russian Academy of Science's Center for International Security, told a Moscow radio station on Thursday that the U.S. was giving in on missile defense to get more cooperation from Russia on Iran.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090917/...issile_defense
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I'm hoping that he will send troops. Never give up hope and all that...


In other news he capitulated to the Russians and killed the European missile shield. Nice pic of Putin winking at someone...


Obama scrapping missile shield for Czech, Poland

PRAGUE – President Barack Obama has decided to scrap plans for a U.S. missile defense shield in the Czech Republic and Poland that had deeply angered Russia, the Czech prime minister confirmed Thursday.

NATO's new chief hailed the move as "a positive step" and a Russian analyst said Obama's decision will increase the chances that Russia will cooperate more closely with the United States in the dispute over Iran's nuclear program.

The plan, proposed by the Bush administration, aimed to defend the United States and its European allies against a possible missile attack from Iran or elsewhere in the Middle East. In all, 10 interceptor rockets were to have been stationed in Poland and a radar system based in the Czech Republic.

But Russia was livid over the prospect of having U.S. interceptor rockets in countries so close to its territory, and the Obama administration has sought to improve strained ties with the Kremlin.

"The U.S. president's decision is a well-thought (out) and systematic one," said Konstantin Kosachev, head of the foreign affairs committee in the State Duma, the lower house of the Russian parliament. "It reflects understanding that any security measure can't be built entirely on the basis of one nation."

"Now we can talk about restoration of (the) strategic partnership between Russia and the United States," Kosachev added.

Alexei Arbatov, head of the Russian Academy of Science's Center for International Security, told a Moscow radio station on Thursday that the U.S. was giving in on missile defense to get more cooperation from Russia on Iran.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090917/...issile_defense
Yup...the pussification continues. Obama can't stand up to anybody on the world scene. Nor the extreme left, so I figure he won't support Afghanistan.

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He'll do the opposite of what the general US public would like.

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After (shamefully) admitting that the troop surge worked in Iraq, during his campaign, I don't see any other option for him. If he doesn't, he's a definite one-termer.

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Gen McChrystal is going to get what he wants one way or another. He is Obama's horse and he's betting the entire bankroll him. We'll need replacements for Polish, Australian and Canadian troops soon anyways.

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General Mccrystal (sp) is expected to request an additonal 30-40k troops for Afghanistan from President Obama in the coming days.

I say this is his first TRUE test because this is the first policy decision that would fly in the face of EVERY LIBERAL, PERIOD.

He said all through his campaign that the War in afghanistan was the "good war", and was vital to the security of the US that we end up victorious.

What do you think? Will he stand up and give his General the requested troop?

Or is he gonna flop like every other time that he gets criticized for not being to the left of Castro?


My vote for the latter.

Well, then that is going to mean that they will be racists also because they won't agree with his decision.

I believe that he will send more troops, but I don't believe he'll send as many as they're asking for.

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Well, then that is going to mean that they will be racists also because they won't agree with his decision.
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Holy shit! You're right!



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And now we know why...

Seems that dropping the shield was the price of admission for some of obsamas buddys to the russian marketplace...


Obama helps strengthen General Electric-Putin ties
By: Timothy P. Carney
Examiner Columnist
09/17/09 2:06 PM EDT
Reuters reports an interesting nugget in the wake of President Barack Obama's decision to grant Vladimir Putin his wish and kill the Eastern European missile shield:

Shortly after the pullback on the shield programme was announced, Russia's government said Prime Minister Vladimir Putin would meet several U.S. executives on Friday from firms including General Electric, Morgan Stanley as well as TPG, one of the world's largest private equity firms

General Electric may be the company with the closest ties to the Obama administration (if not, GE is second only to Goldman Sachs), and here we see the company benefiting from an abrupt foreign policy change made by President Obama. But GE isn't the only company benefiting. Reuters paints the broader picture:

"U.S. companies have arguably lost out to some European companies in joint ventures, and better diplomacy will likely improve the chances for investors in the strategic sectors of the Russian economy," said Carlo Gallo, senior Russia analyst at London-based consultancy Control Risks.

GE CEO Jeff Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and GE owns MSNBC, the network famously friendly to Obama."



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Seems that dropping the shield was the price of admission for some of obsamas buddys to the russian marketplace...


Obama helps strengthen General Electric-Putin ties
By: Timothy P. Carney
Examiner Columnist
09/17/09 2:06 PM EDT
Reuters reports an interesting nugget in the wake of President Barack Obama's decision to grant Vladimir Putin his wish and kill the Eastern European missile shield:

Shortly after the pullback on the shield programme was announced, Russia's government said Prime Minister Vladimir Putin would meet several U.S. executives on Friday from firms including General Electric, Morgan Stanley as well as TPG, one of the world's largest private equity firms

General Electric may be the company with the closest ties to the Obama administration (if not, GE is second only to Goldman Sachs), and here we see the company benefiting from an abrupt foreign policy change made by President Obama. But GE isn't the only company benefiting. Reuters paints the broader picture:

"U.S. companies have arguably lost out to some European companies in joint ventures, and better diplomacy will likely improve the chances for investors in the strategic sectors of the Russian economy," said Carlo Gallo, senior Russia analyst at London-based consultancy Control Risks.

GE CEO Jeff Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and GE owns MSNBC, the network famously friendly to Obama."



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-59644627.html
I find it interesting that the Russians are the only people that agree with Barry's decision. He pisses on all of Europe and Israel, but Putin loves it. WTF is wrong with this picture?

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It gets better: Now NATO wants us to link our missle defense system to Russia's. Brilliant idea! After all, we're all friends now, right?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/...eu_nato_russia

NATO chief proposes linked US/Russian/NATO defense


BRUSSELS – The head of NATO called Friday for the U.S., Russia and NATO to link their missile defense systems against potential new nuclear threats from Asia and the Middle East, saying that the old foes must forget their lingering Cold War animosity.

Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen appealed for unity a day after the U.S. shelved a Bush-era plan for an Eastern European missile defense shield that has been a major irritant in relations with Russia.

"We should explore the potential for linking the US, NATO and Russia missile defense systems at an appropriate time," Fogh Rasmussen said. "Both NATO and Russia have a wealth of experience in missile defense. We should now work to combine this experience to our mutual benefit."

Fogh Rasmussen said in a speech calling for a rethink of NATO-Russia relations that long-range ballistic missile technology in the hands of such countries as North Korea and Iran threatens the West and Russia in large part because it could lead to regional proliferation.

"If North Korea stays nuclear, and if Iran becomes nuclear, some of their neighbors might feel compelled to follow their example," he said. "The proliferation of ballistic missile technology is of concern not just to NATO nations, but to Russia too."

Fogh Rasmussen said NATO and Moscow have failed to jointly take on global security threats including terrorism.

"When the Cold War ended 20 years ago, NATO and Russia developed rather unrealistic expectations about each other," he said. "Those flawed expectations ... continue to burden our relationship."

He did not elaborate on how or to what extent the Russian, NATO and American anti-missile systems could be linked up.

The U.S. said the decision to abandon the Bush administration's plans came about because of a change in the U.S. perception of the threat posed by Iran. U.S. intelligence decided short- and medium-range missiles from Iran now pose a greater near-term threat than the intercontinental ballistic missiles the Bush plan addressed.

A new missile-defense plan would rely on a network of sensors and interceptor missiles based at sea, on land and in the air as a bulwark against Iranian short- and medium-range missiles.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on Friday praised Obama's decision and urged the U.S. to also cancel Cold War-era restrictions on trade with Russia.

Russian leaders had threatened to deploy short-range missiles to the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad near Poland if the U.S. moved ahead with the missile defense plan.

On Friday, the Interfax news quoted an unnamed Russian military-diplomatic source as saying that such retaliatory measures would now be frozen and, possibly, fully canceled in response to Obama's decision to scrap the missile defense shield.

In the past, Russia has said it is ready to jointly work on missile defense with the NATO and the United States.

But it views Iran being far from obtaining a long-range missile technology and says it's necessary to jointly analyze missile threats from that country and other nations before taking any further action.

In 2007, Putin who still was Russia's president at the time, offered the U.S. to use a Soviet-era radar in Azerbaijan as an alternative to the Bush administration's missile defense plan for Eastern Europe. The Bush administration said the facility couldn't replace the planned missile shield.

The NATO allies have done some technical work with the Russians on missile defense in the past. But this has slowed down in recent years as the relationship tanked over NATO enlargement and the Georgian war. Fogh Rasmussen's speech is a bid to revive such joint work.

Turkey's military said Friday that it was planning to spend $1 billion (euro680 million) on four long-range missile defense systems but denied it was buying missile interceptors for use against Iran.

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After we link we should...

Drop all trade barriers with Russia! Specifically mentioned in the article is electronics, presumably along the lines as those they want linked above. Funny how both articles start off the same...


Russian president Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday praised the U.S. decision to dump the missile defense plan as a "responsible move."

While praising Obama's decision on missile defense, Putin challenged Washington to also cancel all existing restrictions on trade with Russia and give the go-ahed to World Trade Organization membership for Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

"I very much hope that this right and brave decision will be followed up by the full cancellation of all restrictions on cooperation with Russia and high technology transfer to Russia as well as a boost to expand the WTO to embrace Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan," Putin said at an investment forum in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi.

Putin stressed that the Cold War-era trade restrictions hurt American business as much as Russia. He lashed out at the U.S. administration for using the so-called "CoCom lists" to discriminate against Russia.

CoCom, or Coordinating Committee for Multilateral Export Controls, was established during the Cold War to tightly control technology exports to the Soviet Union and its allies.

"Formally these lists have been thrown out, but in reality a large part of them are in still in place," Putin said, urging American panelists at the Sochi investment forum to push their government to lift the restrictions.

"This hurts Russia's cooperation with its partners, first of all with the United States," he added. "This also hurts American business because it hampers development of their business contacts in Russia."


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