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Prepared Remarks of President Barack Obama
Back to School Event

Arlington, Virginia
September 8, 2009

The President: Hello everyone Ė howís everybody doing today? Iím here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And weíve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. Iím glad you all could join us today.
I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, itís your first day in a new school, so itís understandable if youíre a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade youíre in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you couldíve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didnít have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday Ė at 4:30 in the morning.

Now I wasnít too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, Iíd fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever Iíd complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."

So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But Iím here today because I have something important to discuss with you. Iím here because I want to talk with you about your education and whatís expected of all of you in this new school year.
Now Iíve given a lot of speeches about education. And Iíve talked a lot about responsibility.

Iíve talked about your teachersí responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

Iíve talked about your parentsí responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and donít spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

Iíve talked a lot about your governmentís responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that arenít working where students arenít getting the opportunities they deserve.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world Ė and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.

And thatís what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.

Every single one of you has something youíre good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. Thatís the opportunity an education can provide.

Maybe you could be a good writer Ė maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper Ė but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor Ė maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine Ė but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.

And no matter what you want to do with your life Ė I guarantee that youíll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? Youíre going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You canít drop out of school and just drop into a good job. Youíve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.

And this isnít just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What youíre learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.

Youíll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. Youíll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. Youíll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.
We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you donít do that Ė if you quit on school Ė youíre not just quitting on yourself, youíre quitting on your country.

Now I know itís not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.

I get it. I know what thatís like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasnít always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didnít fit in.

So I wasnít always as focused as I should have been. I did some things Iím not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.

But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didnít have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.

Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you donít have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and thereís not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you donít feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know arenít right.

But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life Ė what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what youíve got going on at home Ė thatís no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. Thatís no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. Thatís no excuse for not trying.

Where you are right now doesnít have to determine where youíll end up. No oneís written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

Thatís what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.

Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didnít speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.

Iím thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, whoís fought brain cancer since he was three. Heís endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer Ė hundreds of extra hours Ė to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and heís headed to college this fall.

And then thereís Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and sheís on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.

Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell arenít any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.
Thatís why today, Iím calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education Ė and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe youíll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe youíll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe youíll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope youíll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you donít feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.

Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.

I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, youíre not going to be any of those things.
But the truth is, being successful is hard. You wonít love every subject you study. You wonít click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you wonít necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.

Thatís OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones whoíve had the most failures. JK Rowlingís first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."

These people succeeded because they understand that you canít let your failures define you Ė you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesnít mean youíre a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesnít mean youíre stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.
No oneís born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. Youíre not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You donít hit every note the first time you sing a song. Youíve got to practice. Itís the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before itís good enough to hand in.

Donít be afraid to ask questions. Donít be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isnít a sign of weakness, itís a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you donít know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust Ė a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor Ė and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.

And even when youíre struggling, even when youíre discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you Ė donít ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.

The story of America isnít about people who quit when things got tough. Itís about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.

Itís the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.

So today, I want to ask you, whatís your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?
Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. Iím working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But youíve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So donít let us down Ė donít let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
And like I said before, if you have a problem with your kids hearing this speech you are an idiot and that's not debatable.
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They made changes to the original, so now it's just a kiss-ass speech to the American public. My 2nd grader wouldn't follow it for more than 2 minutes. It doesn't matter, because our district has the good sense not to show it.

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you an idiot for trusting a guy who is not trustworthy. prime example his birth certificate. if he nothing to hide(and was trustworthy) why not just show the damn thing and get the monkey off your back.
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And like I said before, if you have a problem with your kids hearing this speech you are an idiot and that's not debatable.

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And like I said before, if you have a problem with your kids hearing this speech you are an idiot and that's not debatable.

Al Gore?


I'm sorry. When a liberal moron tries to shut down a debate by saying "that's not debatable", or "the debate is over" I automatically think of Al Gore.

Like when he shows the "Hockey stick" graph to prove global warming, and leaves out the fact that data was obtained showing the earth is actually cooling. And then changing his deal from "global warming" to "global climate change" when he is called out on the substance of the debate rather than getting a free pass as usual.

It's similar to you posting this watered down version of Obamas original speech to prove he's not a socialist, yet you leave out the questionnaire telling the kids to write how Obama has inspired them, and what are they going to do to help Obama with his goals. Or how about the liberal propaganda video that has celebrities telling the kids they need to "Serve Barack Obama".



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I'm just glad Taylor isn't teaching kids anything after his posts in the other various threads about this topic.
We're gonna need a sticky just so we know who not to waste our time with.
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dude anyone with an ounce of brain knows this isn't the original version of the speech.
What is this gonna do? keep kids in school? too bad all the other presidents didn't do it!
Then we wouldn't have all these dropouts!
Why don't you just admit that this little Obama stunt is completely fucking pointless in it's released form? Then maybe you can make the next step to free thinking.

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And like I said before, if you have a problem with your kids hearing this speech you are an idiot and that's not debatable.
All this proves is he changed what he was going to do in an attempt to gain some approval points ... nothing more. Go back to your Obama Youth meeting.
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So you don't think that the speech was "tweaked" due to all of the controversy?

And don't you find a lot of the speech hypocritical? A socialist lecturing people on responsibility? While his own administration acts in a irresponsible manner, hiring radicals and printing/spending money and mortgaging the future of the very kids that his speech is supposed to reach?

Obama is an eloquent speaker, there is no doubt about that. But it takes a lot more than delivering a good speech to be the leader of the free world. And he ain't got it.
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Brainwashed idiots.

Everyone's been saying ALL ALONG that this was the type of speech that was going to be given.

But if FOX didn't say it, you don't want to hear it. You wanted to hear that The President was going to turn your kids into Communists.

That's why the only arguments you have for this speech is "oh. I bet he changed it, now that we're on to him."

Fucking dumbasses. None of you deserve to have come out of a vagina in this country, making you lucky enough to live in it as citizens. You lost the election, and you just can't live with it. And you CERTAINLY can't believe that someone else, who doesn't share every view you have, STILL has the best interest of America at heart.

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Fucking dumbasses. None of you deserve to have come out of a vagina in this country, making you lucky enough to live in it as citizens. You lost the election, and you just can't live with it. And you CERTAINLY can't believe that someone else, who doesn't share every view you have, STILL has the best interest of America at heart.
You are really pushing it motherfucker. I strongly doubt that you had the balls to join the armed forces, what gives you the right to tell me that I am not worthy to be an American? Oh wait ... people like me that serve gave you that right.
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You are really pushing it motherfucker. I strongly doubt that you had the balls to join the armed forces, what gives you the right to tell me that I am not worthy to be an American? Oh wait ... people like me that serve gave you that right.
Blatz, he's a real piece of shit, so don't waste your breath. He's just scum that comes on here to vent his frustrations, because his life is going nowhere and he's not a youngster anymore.

Gpamp, why did they edit it? They admitted to changing his speech when the shit started to hit the fan.

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Fucking dumbasses. None of you deserve to have come out of a vagina in this country, making you lucky enough to live in it as citizens. You lost the election, and you just can't live with it. And you CERTAINLY can't believe that someone else, who doesn't share every view you have, STILL has the best interest of America at heart.
Hey fucknuts, this isn't a matter of winning or losing an election. This is standing up for our children to prevent them from being indoctrinated by a left-wing radical. The Repubs may have lost the election, but that doesn't mean that we/they don't still have the RIGHT to stand up for ourselves.

If Obama has the best interest of the US at heart, he will quit pushing his socialist agenda. Plain and simple. He doesn't give a shit about you or me, he only wants all the control.

I bet your dumpy ass hasn't seen a vagina since you were born. We all know bass players don't get laid.

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They made changes to the original, so now it's just a kiss-ass speech to the American public.

HOLY, SWEET, CLEAN, NEWBORN INFANT JESUS!!! You two can't possibly be that Stupid.

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Hey fucknuts, this isn't a matter of winning or losing an election. This is standing up for our children to prevent them from being indoctrinated by a left-wing radical.
Since when is GETTING AN EDUCATION left wing idiology????

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HOLY, SWEET, CLEAN, NEWBORN INFANT JESUS!!! You two can't possibly be that Stupid.
They admitted it. Where's the issue?

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they admitted it. Where's the issue?
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every politicians speech is a kiss the american public's ass speech!!!!!
Why did he change the text of the speech?

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For the most part the speech is great. There are a few parts that peaked my interest though, and could have possibly been reworded or just left out.


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I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didnít have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday Ė at 4:30 in the morning.
I thought he went to school in Indonesia public school from 69-71?

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Iíve talked a lot about your governmentís responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that arenít working where students arenít getting the opportunities they deserve.
What is his proposal of turning around schools that aren't working? Why aren't these schools working?

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...develop new energy technologies and protect our environment.
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So I wasnít always as focused as I should have been. I did some things Iím not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.

But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didnít have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.

Some of you might not have those advantages....
Advantages of working hard? What is he trying to say? One line he said he worked his ass off, then the next line says the students don't have to because he is going to make it right? Maybe I'm missing something simple here.

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And along those lines, I hope youíll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you donít feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.
If Fox News said this they would call it fear mongering.

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Youíll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.
Did this mother fucker really just say this?

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Since when is GETTING AN EDUCATION left wing idiology????
Since the liberals infiltrated and overtook our schools in the form of teachers.
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this is the same speech that was on the white house site 10 days ago. I dont see the problem with it. I have no idea why fox 4 had some many parents crying (literally crying) over this speech. I saw some of the PSAs associated with this speech, jeff gordon and dale jr. along with a couple other nascar drivers did an ad with obama for the speech. even laura bush was on cnn this morning endorsing the speech.

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Brainwashed idiots.

Everyone's been saying ALL ALONG that this was the type of speech that was going to be given.

But if FOX didn't say it, you don't want to hear it. You wanted to hear that The President was going to turn your kids into Communists.

That's why the only arguments you have for this speech is "oh. I bet he changed it, now that we're on to him."

Fucking dumbasses. None of you deserve to have come out of a vagina in this country, making you lucky enough to live in it as citizens. You lost the election, and you just can't live with it. And you CERTAINLY can't believe that someone else, who doesn't share every view you have, STILL has the best interest of America at heart.

MOVE TO CANADA.
gpamp - I don't need any news station to tell me that I wouldn't trust a President talking to my elementary school kid, especially one who holds views I deem to be un-American (this is the key for me). A President is partisan by nature, everything he does and says comes from his chosen side, he cannot help it. Obama is no different than any other president in this regard.

Why is it that when we voice our adamant opposition to a President and his ideology we don't deserve to live here? When you do the same it seems you think you are just exercising your free speech.

Do you believe everything you hear on the news? Just because the news says his speech is going to be about education does not mean they are right until we see the speech (now). How the hell is anyone supposed to know which side is right until we see the speech? We can't, we can only go off of our good or bad opinions of the man himself, which is exactly what you did.

Simple solution - record the speech and play it to the kids after parents have a chance to take a look. Problem solved.






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this is the same speech that was on the white house site 10 days ago. I dont see the problem with it. I have no idea why fox 4 had some many parents crying (literally crying) over this speech. I saw some of the PSAs associated with this speech, jeff gordon and dale jr. along with a couple other nascar drivers did an ad with obama for the speech. even laura bush was on cnn this morning endorsing the speech.
10 Days ago?

They just posted it yesterday I beleive...

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this is the same speech that was on the white house site 10 days ago. I dont see the problem with it. I have no idea why fox 4 had some many parents crying (literally crying) over this speech. I saw some of the PSAs associated with this speech, jeff gordon and dale jr. along with a couple other nascar drivers did an ad with obama for the speech. even laura bush was on cnn this morning endorsing the speech.
Barry has brought this on himself. He's consistantly lied to the American people, and there's just not a lot of trust there. I see nothing wrong with the speech that was posted.
I did see that when Bush Sr. did this in '91, the Dems held congressional hearings AND investigations, so I guess payback is a bitch...

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10 Days ago?

They just posted it yesterday I beleive...
it has been up there ever since people started to debate this. I first saw it 2 sundays ago, when meet the press was talking about it and it had already been up a couple days at that point.

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it has been up there ever since people started to debate this. I first saw it 2 sundays ago, when meet the press was talking about it and it had already been up a couple days at that point.
The Whitehouse admitted making changes to the speech just last Friday.

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Vert, you've asked twice "why did he change it?".

a) If the President changes a speech, you probably won't hear his changes until he gives the speech. If any changes are made, it's by the speechwriters.

but b) WHO SAID ANYONE CHANGED IT????

FOX news SPECULATED what it was going to say. And now everyone seems to think there was ACTUALLY some Socialist agenda-ridden speech that the President was going to give to our school kids.

The whole point of my first post in here, was that IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE SPEECH YOU'RE SEEING NOW.

So, to your "why did he change it?" question... He didn't.
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Vert, you've asked twice "why did he change it?".

a) If the President changes a speech, you probably won't hear his changes until he gives the speech. If any changes are made, it's by the speechwriters.

but b) WHO SAID ANYONE CHANGED IT????

FOX news SPECULATED what it was going to say. And now everyone seems to think there was ACTUALLY some Socialist agenda-ridden speech that the President was going to give to our school kids.

The whole point of my first post in here, was that IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE SPEECH YOU'RE SEEING NOW.

So, to your "why did he change it?" question... He didn't.
The Whitehouse announced Friday that there had been changes to the speech. If there was nothing wrong to begin with, then why change it? I don't know what was in it, but why change it at all if it was fine? It's a simple, easy, non-threatening question...

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And to the 2 guys who have crosshairs as avatars, my rant about not being worthy of being a citizen is more comedic irony than an official statement.

However, stop buying into everything that someone who seems to have the same opinion as you, says. Just because a network hates President Obama as much as you do, doesn't mean everything they say is true.
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it has been up there ever since people started to debate this. I first saw it 2 sundays ago, when meet the press was talking about it and it had already been up a couple days at that point.
Are you talking about the speech? or the activity plans given to the teachers? The speech itself wasn't posted until yesterday. If it was posted 2 weeks ago there wouldn't have been any speculation.

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The Whitehouse announced Friday that there had been changes to the speech. If there was nothing wrong to begin with, then why change it? I don't know what was in it, but why change it at all if it was fine? It's a simple, easy, non-threatening question...
So, Vert, they say "there have been changes made" and you automatically assume they took out the part that says "Communism is the new Capitalism"?

Dude, speeches are edited ALL THE TIME. Just because changes were made doesn't mean your worst fears were in it to begin with.
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Are you talking about the speech? or the activity plans given to the teachers.
The entire "lesson plan" to the teachers is rediculous. My 2nd grader wouldn't even know where to start with this. His attention span is about as long as his pecker.

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So, Vert, they say "there have been changes made" and you automatically assume they took out the part that says "Communism is the new Capitalism"?

Dude, speeches are edited ALL THE TIME. Just because changes were made doesn't mean your worst fears were in it to begin with.
The entire element of trust is lacking. Barry has brought these responses on himself. As I stated earlier, Bush Sr. went through hell in '91 (Congressional investigation!) when he addressed the school kids. What's good for the goose...

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The entire element of trust is lacking. Barry has brought these responses on himself. As I stated earlier, Bush Sr. went through hell in '91 (Congressional investigation!) when he addressed the school kids. What's good for the goose...
So, what you're saying is...

"Well, I don't like President Obama. So, even though everything I've said about him is untrue, it's ok, because I don't like him. Not to mention, Georgie-poo took heat from the Democrats for speaking to kids, so I've GOT to say SOMETHING. Even if it's totally untrue."
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So, Vert, they say "there have been changes made" and you automatically assume they took out the part that says "Communism is the new Capitalism"?

Dude, speeches are edited ALL THE TIME. Just because changes were made doesn't mean your worst fears were in it to begin with.
Damn pampers you must have flip flops on today because in post 29 less than 10min ago you said.

So, to your "why did he change it?" question... He didn't.

I can't wait to see his public lashing when he strays away from the published text. But, I am sure Gibbs will just say there was a teleprompter malfunction.

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The whole point of my first post in here, was that IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE SPEECH YOU'RE SEEING NOW.

So, to your "why did he change it?" question... He didn't.
Like you have any idea if he changed it or not. Do you work at the White House?

I don't think there is anything wrong with that speech. I am not comfortable with a speech to school children made by any politician. But it isn't the end of the world either.

You are the exact opposite end of the spectrum from the right wing idiots you criticize. Who the fuck are you to tell someone to "Move to Canada". Get the fuck over yourself.
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Like you have any idea if he changed it or not. Do you work at the White House?

I don't think there is anything wrong with that speech. I am not comfortable with a speech to school children made by any politician. But it isn't the end of the world either.

You are the exact opposite end of the spectrum from the right wing idiots you criticize. Who the fuck are you to tell someone to "Move to Canada". Get the fuck over yourself.
Al, I know you're a dad, and it's difficult to explain to someone who has no kids, what it's like to be in this situation. Realistically, these guys that don't have kids, don't have a dog in this hunt. They're preaching semantics while we're preaching the reality of our 2nd grader (in my case) coming home with some questions about the teacher asking these "study questions" that have been laid out. He damn sure won't remember Barry's ramblings...

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Al, I know you're a dad, and it's difficult to explain to someone who has no kids, what it's like to be in this situation. Realistically, these guys that don't have kids, don't have a dog in this hunt. They're preaching semantics while we're preaching the reality of our 2nd grader (in my case) coming home with some questions about the teacher asking these "study questions" that have been laid out. He damn sure won't remember Barry's ramblings...
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"I've got KIDS! Therefore, lying about Obama's intentions is very important to me."

And seriously? Because I said they didn't change the speech (when I OBVIOUSLY mean they didn't go from a communist manifesto to what it is now), then I said they edit all speeches... I'm a flip flopper?

Spinster. I'm not running for President. You don't have to invent semantics for me to live up to.
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"I've got KIDS! Therefore, lying about Obama's intentions is very important to me."

And seriously? Because I said they didn't change the speech (when I OBVIOUSLY mean they didn't go from a communist manifesto to what it is now), then I said they edit all speeches... I'm a flip flopper?

Spinster. I'm not running for President. You don't have to invent semantics for me to live up to.
I'm trying to take the high road here. How did I "lie" about Barry's intentions? I never mentioned commie talk. It's simple...they altered the speech. I have asked you this same question several times. Why would they alter the speech after the public outcry, if there was nothing inflamatory in it?

Again, you have no dog in this hunt. You have no right to tell parents what to do.

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Thanks man!
No problem. I'm sick of this whole fiasco and find it quite pointless, but double standards don't sit well with me.

I'll now wait for gpamp to tell me what's different about this situation from the situation that granddaddy Bush was in.

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The speech was not published until yesterday.
It's so fucking obvious how damn idiotic some people are on here. Two weeks ago? Are you fucking retarded? There would have been no speculation, moron.
Try reading the news first , then responding.

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Since when is GETTING AN EDUCATION left wing idiology????
Show me where I said this. The point is that he could have very easily had some form of indoctrination in his speech and likely did before the uproar. Remember, it wasn't until the people spoke up that the White House decided to post the speech text or even decided to air the speech on C-Span, ed.gov and whitehouse.gov. Think about it.

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And to the 2 guys who have crosshairs as avatars, my rant about not being worthy of being a citizen is more comedic irony than an official statement.

However, stop buying into everything that someone who seems to have the same opinion as you, says. Just because a network hates President Obama as much as you do, doesn't mean everything they say is true.
The same can be said about your beloved MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Associated Press, CNN, HLN, etc.

You should know by now that no one on this forum reads anything you post as "comedic irony".

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My kids didn't see it.

I view this speech as setting one on the stove knob. It is harmless and meant to get the parents used to the idea of the President speaking directly to their kids. It was a rah-rah go school speech to make the parents and administrators feel all warm and fuzzy. The next one will ratchet it up a bit (welcome back from winter-break, send us info on your parents habits, go school) and so on.

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