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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 09-05-2009, 07:58 PM Thread Starter
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Beware of agents provocateur
Posted: September 05, 2009
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Beginning in 2006, WND chronicled the bizarre behavior of Internet blogger and micro-caster Hal Turner who said he might have to assassinate half the members of Congress.

"As the November 7 Election approaches, I decided to write a few lines to my fellow Americans about the state of our nation and the ugliness that may have to occur if the people who caused these problems are re-elected: They may have to be assassinated," he wrote in his blog Oct. 27 that year.

They did not appear to be merely the idle words of an irresponsible lunatic.

Turner didn't say it once or twice. He repeated his ideas several times and even offered fairly detailed plans involving five-men strike forces to carry out their work in wiping out half the U.S. Congress and at least three members of the Supreme Court.

It seemed very strange to us at WND that law enforcement officials paid little heed.

When WND contacted the FBI, officials there showed little curiosity after hearing the name of the person that wrote and said these things and seemed to be advocating violence against public officials.

By December of that year, Turner was raising the ante.

he claimed to have set a timetable for those killings adding that any member of Congress who introduces, co-sponsors or votes in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens would be "declared a domestic enemy and considered a legitimate target for assassination."

Again, both the Secret Service and FBI showed little interest in Turner's activities.

Now, maybe, we can understand why.

Last month, in a trial over charges brought against Turner by local officials in New Jersey and Connecticut, it was revealed that Turner had been trained by the FBI on how to deliberately provoke violent actions by others. He was an "agent provocateur" for the FBI from 2002 through 2007 and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," according to testimony in the trial.

His defense attorney said, "His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest." In other words, the government was paying him to get people to commit crimes they might not otherwise commit.

Prosecutors in the trial acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on "radical right-wing organizations."

May I ask a stupid question?

Why is the FBI doing this?

This can't even be blamed on Barack Obama. This was happening during the administration of George W. Bush.

(Column continues below)

Why are our taxpayer dollars being used to spread anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic hate screeds and murderous rantings and ravings?

Isn't this a form of entrapment?

Whose idea was this?

Which public officials were responsible for this big idea?

Will this come out in the trial? Or will the cowards and dunces within the FBI claim some legal privilege to preach hate and violence?

The Obama administration shows an amazing lack of curiosity about this extremely bad behavior by its predecessor even while making plans to prosecute former Bush administration officials for coercive interrogations of international terrorists actually planning real violence against Americans.

Why the double standard?

Is it because of the target?

Is it OK to use any means necessary to ferret out so-called "right-wing radicals"?

I suspect that's the case.

I have a feeling that a similar government operation designed to locate violent Islamic militants would be broadly condemned by the political establishment Republican and Democrat.

Why is it considered perfectly appropriate to encourage violence and criminal activity by so-called "right wing radicals"?

Who approved it?

How long did it continue?

Has it stopped?

Why was it initiated?

Does the Obama administration approve of the program?

Is the FBI still involved in this kind of reprehensible and immoral activity?
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1/19/09, the last day of Free America.
Pericles "Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it. "

"[T]he people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government and to reform, alter, or totally change the same when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it." --Samuel Adams

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Heh. Had another board member telling me of this tactic weeks back...
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post #4 of 4 (permalink) Old 09-05-2009, 09:42 PM
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Yes it exists, yes our tax dollars are paying for it. Yes the FBI trained them. Yes they have evolved. They are showing up at peaceful tax protests and stirring up trouble and trying to blame it on the "right wing conservatives".

In the latest occurrence was in the Liberal news. But they told the story wrong as usual. A old man got his finger bit off by one of these thugs.

All men should know Honor first, above all else!

Honor is not holding your hand out for something you did not earn.
Honor is not forcing your ideas, or belief on others.
Honor is not something given to you by way of job, or title.

Honor is learned, earned, practiced and respected by all decent men and women.
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