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Obamacare includes implant chip for all enrolled

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."


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I for one see the virtues of this. Instant access to medical history, allergies, etc. Would cut down on malpractice, false claims, double/triple treatment, and idenity theft.


The problem I have is that if the govt has ANY control or access to this, then we are fucked.
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yeah fuck that. its kinda scary, but pretty soon im sure it will mandatory and will have bank info and a gps locator.

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Looks like something straight out of Revelations.

Fuck that.
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Never, ever, ever going to happen. Been talked about for many years now. The people of this country will never tolerate it, due to their religious background. Be like asking muslims to stop bowing down to the sun every day.
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Never, ever, ever going to happen. Been talked about for many years now. The people of this country will never tolerate it, due to their religious background. Be like asking muslims to stop bowing down to the sun every day.
But that doesn't stop the government from desperately searching for a way to force people into having that chip implanted. The way that they will eventually push it thru is by doing away with cash.
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Heh. We're closer every day to eliminating cash.


How much cash, on average, do you guys carry these days? I carry on average about $25 or so. Read a stat awhile back that said average was bout 29...
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Sweet. Cant wait for that.

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Heh. We're closer every day to eliminating cash.


How much cash, on average, do you guys carry these days? I carry on average about $25 or so. Read a stat awhile back that said average was bout 29...
I use amex for almost everything these days. Even pay the electric bill with it.
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Sweet. Cant wait for that.
You really can't wait for a cashless society?
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Sweet. Cant wait for that.
I bet you are waiting for it with bated breath. I strongly doubt that you being a convicted felon can find work with great health care. Then again I don't know what Central Texas Security and Fire provides you.
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I bet you are waiting for it with bated breath. I strongly doubt that you being a convicted felon can find work with great health care. Then again I don't know what Central Texas Security and Fire provides you.
So tell me again what exactly I did to you to make you act this way? Was it my opinions that you cant stand?

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So tell me again what exactly I did to you to make you act this way? Was it my opinions that you cant stand?
I asked him this same question once..

he told me he cant stand ignorance, i since tried my best to fix the problem, and he has left me alone since..

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So tell me again what exactly I did to you to make you act this way? Was it my opinions that you cant stand?
Nah, everyone has there right to an opinion. You just so happen to be an ignorant jackass with a felony record and a bad habit of not shutting up when you should.

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But that doesn't stop the government from desperately searching for a way to force people into having that chip implanted. The way that they will eventually push it thru is by doing away with cash.
Well imo they can desperately search till the day they die and it will never happen, under any circumstance. Not saying they won't try like hell, just that I highly doubt they could succede. You see those meetings and stuff, about how people getting bent out of shape at town halls over healthcare? You would see them murder those politicians right there over that lol. It's rare that you can say something will never happen, but I would be joining a revolution if they tried to force that. No government can ever, and will ever, be able to directly contradict the people's religious beliefs and force them to do something that goes against their religion. Even sadaam hussien had to use religion to get his whole tyranny thing going. They would have killed him if he had gone against their faith and said they were going to be forced to change. Same thing would happen here. Just my .02. The best they can hope for is to put it in all the credit cards that people are going to have with them at all times anyway.


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Heh. We're closer every day to eliminating cash.
How much cash, on average, do you guys carry these days? I carry on average about $25 or so. Read a stat awhile back that said average was bout 29...
I never use it at all. 1. People can steal your wallet and get the cash. Then you're fucked. If you got cards they most likely get canceled before they can ever use them. 2. It's damn inconvenient to get all that damn metal change all the time. I hate pennies and quarters and nickles and all that being everywhere, around the house and in the car. And in my pockets like I am not already carrying enough stuff like my phone and wallet and keys. Fuck a bucha spare change imo. 3. You always have all your money, at all times with a debit/credit/bank account card.
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Sweet. Cant wait for that.
I bet you can wait.
I mean, how else are you going to continue your trend of being a violent felon by commiting aggravated robbery again if the person doesn't have any cash to steal?

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I think it says something, that this thread got this far, and NO ONE has questioned the validity of the first post.

I realize you all WANT to, and have predispositions to believe that anything related to Obama that's bad MUST be true... because "by God, he's a libr'al."

People. Stop passing along fear-mongering, bull shit emails.

Unless it says "If Rick Perry or Kay Bailey get elected, terrorists will descend on Texas." That one's true.
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I think it says something, that this thread got this far, and NO ONE has questioned the validity of the first post.

I realize you all WANT to, and have predispositions to believe that anything related to Obama that's bad MUST be true... because "by God, he's a libr'al."

People. Stop passing along fear-mongering, bull shit emails.

Unless it says "If Rick Perry or Kay Bailey get elected, terrorists will descend on Texas." That one's true.
While you certainly have a point in the fact that no one in this thread has done any research into this past what was read in the first post, that wording is in fact in the bill and I'm not really sure how you can contest what it's saying. It's fairly blatant.

We can sit here and argue the moral obligations that come with implanting humans with RFID chips, but you're just as ignorant as the rest of this thread if you ignore the passages altogether.

What this thread has ignored is that this part of the legislation does not aim to implant every American in the program with an RFID chip but rather put together a registry for all patients with some type of implantable device in them. Still potentially very scary for patients with such devices, but not at all the computerization of the masses that this thread speaks of.

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While you certainly have a point in the fact that no one in this thread has done any research into this past what was read in the first post, that wording is in fact in the bill and I'm not really sure how you can contest what it's saying. It's fairly blatant.

We can sit here and argue the moral obligations that come with implanting humans with RFID chips, but you're just as ignorant as the rest of this thread if you ignore the passages altogether.

What this thread has ignored is that this part of the legislation does not aim to implant every American in the program with an RFID chip but rather put together a registry for all patients with some type of implantable device in them. Still potentially very scary for patients with such devices, but not at all the computerization of the masses that this thread speaks of.
I think the whole point is this...

You all lack common sense.

Do you REALLY think the government is going to start implanting chips in everyone? Sit back and think on that. Let your spidey sense feel that one out.

Probably not. It doesn't even take much research to find that it isn't true.

And most fear mongering starts with "well, it might not be true... but it's POSSIBLE! So be AFRAID!!!!!"
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I think the whole point is this...

You all lack common sense.

Do you REALLY think the government is going to start implanting chips in everyone? Sit back and think on that. Let your spidey sense feel that one out.

Probably not. It doesn't even take much research to find that it isn't true.

And most fear mongering starts with "well, it might not be true... but it's POSSIBLE! So be AFRAID!!!!!"
Maybe not implant everyone, but they'd like to tag everyone somehow. Whether for travel (*cough* Real ID Act *cough* or medical (as shown in this thread).

I'm sure the reason is noble, but either way, its just ripe for government abuse.

This ranks right up there with government & police wanting GPS data from cars...for taxing miles driven and handing out speeding tickets.

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Maybe not implant everyone, but they'd like to tag everyone somehow. Whether for travel (*cough* Real ID Act *cough* or medical (as shown in this thread).

I'm sure the reason is noble, but either way, its just ripe for government abuse.

This ranks right up there with government & police wanting GPS data from cars...for taxing miles driven and handing out speeding tickets.
WTF is there rumors to this? If so how did I miss this?
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In Oregon, they put GPS systems in cars to charge you like .1 cent a mile. Google it.
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I think the whole point is this...

You all lack common sense.

Do you REALLY think the government is going to start implanting chips in everyone? Sit back and think on that. Let your spidey sense feel that one out.

Probably not. It doesn't even take much research to find that it isn't true.

And most fear mongering starts with "well, it might not be true... but it's POSSIBLE! So be AFRAID!!!!!"
How about the fact that the government is tracking the DNA of all newborns? Let your spidey sense feel THAT one out...
It's all don't in the name of "research". What makes you think that chipping newborns or anyone else for that matter will not happen? It'll come under some "We care about you" bullshit line that the willfully ignorant sheeple who live in America will believe
If you trust the govt to give a shit about you and to take the moral high road about spying...oops! I meant researching you, you are a fucking moron!

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In Oregon, they put GPS systems in cars to charge you like .1 cent a mile. Google it.
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How about the fact that the government is tracking the DNA of all newborns? Let your spidey sense feel THAT one out...
It's all don't in the name of "research". What makes you think that chipping newborns or anyone else for that matter will not happen? It'll come under some "We care about you" bullshit line that the willfully ignorant sheeple who live in America will believe
If you trust the govt to give a shit about you and to take the moral high road about spying...oops! I meant researching you, you are a fucking moron!
Take your tin foil hat off. Stop listening to Coast to Coast.

And remember that the most atrocious slander of our Constitutional right to privacy was committed by the Bush administration under the guise of patriotism. I'm sure, somehow, you were ok with that. Depending on what FOX said about it.
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Take your tin foil hat off. Stop listening to Coast to Coast.

And remember that the most atrocious slander of our Constitutional right to privacy was committed by the Bush administration under the guise of patriotism. I'm sure, somehow, you were ok with that. Depending on what FOX said about it.
Well, I would have been all for it if they destroyed it after they were done with the whole terrorist situation. Even if it took 10 years. Not that they would, im sure they love it like one of us would love a new mustang.

However, I've said it before and I'll say it again... the government does not get the same rights as we do. End of story. Stick to that, and everything will be fine. Not as individuals, of course the people in gov't have all the same rights. But as a whole. As an entity. You have to just bite the bullet and keep a tight leash on them or they will do whatever the fuck they want. This is true with every large entity, gov't is no different, it is run by people just like the media, just like big industry, big organizations, big anything. They need to be told where to get off, or they never will.
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Well, I would have been all for it if they destroyed it after they were done with the whole terrorist situation. Even if it took 10 years. Not that they would, im sure they love it like one of us would love a new mustang.

However, I've said it before and I'll say it again... the government does not get the same rights as we do. End of story. Stick to that, and everything will be fine. Not as individuals, of course the people in gov't have all the same rights. But as a whole. As an entity. You have to just bite the bullet and keep a tight leash on them or they will do whatever the fuck they want. This is true with every large entity, gov't is no different, it is run by people just like the media, just like big industry, big organizations, big anything. They need to be told where to get off, or they never will.
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Take your tin foil hat off. Stop listening to Coast to Coast.

And remember that the most atrocious slander of our Constitutional right to privacy was committed by the Bush administration under the guise of patriotism. I'm sure, somehow, you were ok with that. Depending on what FOX said about it.
First off, I have no idea what the hell Coast to Coast is...second of all, I don't give a shit about who is taking my freedoms. I hate Obama & Bush equally..oh Hell, I hate all progressives since about, oh I don't know...Woodrow Wilson! They have been slowly eroding our freedoms for years, jackass. I didn't agree with the Patriot Act either. Let's get one thing straight here...I am a Libertarian/Constitutionalist. Feel free to look up those big words you don't understand..
I want my govt to work the way it was meant to work. Smaller at Fed level getting a little larger as it hits city level.
I watch many different news channels (including foreign). I also read news constantly (again foreign & domestic). I'm a history teacher for fuck's sake, so I kinda know what I'm talking about.
Next ~ get a new line other than the tin foil hat, asshat! I've only seen you use it about 3 times & I've been on here about 3 days. Come up with better or stop insulting people. Fucking idiot!

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I for one see the virtues of this. Instant access to medical history, allergies, etc. Would cut down on malpractice, false claims, double/triple treatment, and idenity theft.


The problem I have is that if the govt has ANY control or access to this, then we are fucked.
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Well, I would have been all for it if they destroyed it after they were done with the whole terrorist situation. Even if it took 10 years. Not that they would, im sure they love it like one of us would love a new mustang.

However, I've said it before and I'll say it again... the government does not get the same rights as we do. End of story. Stick to that, and everything will be fine. Not as individuals, of course the people in gov't have all the same rights. But as a whole. As an entity. You have to just bite the bullet and keep a tight leash on them or they will do whatever the fuck they want. This is true with every large entity, gov't is no different, it is run by people just like the media, just like big industry, big organizations, big anything. They need to be told where to get off, or they never will.
Unfortunately, Justin, the people in the govt get more & better rights then the common peeps. Sad, but true!

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Never, ever, ever going to happen. Been talked about for many years now. The people of this country will never tolerate it, due to their religious background. Be like asking muslims to stop bowing down to the sun every day.
They will just make everyone carry an ID card that they will put the chip in, but it will be sold to the public as something for our benefit or safety, and people will come running to get it. We have lost our country to offshore bankers, and unfortunately for us they own and control pretty much everything.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.

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They will just make everyone carry an ID card that they will put the chip in, but it will be sold to the public as something for our benefit or safety and people will come running to get it.
No there probably won't be a national ID card, but wait 'till we go to a totally cashless society! The banks are pushing this hard and have been for years...credit cards, etc are just as easy if not easier to track. Plus, who ever is keeping tabs gets quite the picture of what people do/who they are. Kinda like how advertisers track people on the internet.

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No there probably won't be a national ID card, but wait 'till we go to a totally cashless society! The banks are pushing this hard and have been for years...credit cards, etc are just as easy if not easier to track. Plus, who ever is keeping tabs gets quite the picture of what people do/who they are. Kinda like how advertisers track people on the internet.

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When they do the cash-less society I'm taking my gold bars and family out of this place. I haven't had a bank account in 6 years and I have absolutely no need or desire for one.
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First off, I have no idea what the hell Coast to Coast is...
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When they do the cash-less society I'm taking my gold bars and family out of this place. I haven't had a bank account in 6 years and I have absolutely no need or desire for one.
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I'm not sure I would blame you...however, which country would you choose? Not trying to be a smartass, but I've thought about the same & can't come up with anywhere I'd rather live! Maybe Australia, but it's a bitch to get in there

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The only implantable chip I'm for is one to keep track of young kids. But, it should be up to the parents discretion, and only accessible by emergency service upon request by an approved individual via password. Once the kid is of a certain age...I guess 17 or 18, it's up to the child/young adult to have it removed or not.
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Thanks for the link...I'm glad I didn't waste the energy to look it up! What a load of shit!! Why would anyone with a brain even know what that is? Oh...that's right, pamp has no brain!! lmfao

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The only implantable chip I'm for is one to keep track of young kids. But, it should be up to the parents discretion, and only accessible by emergency service upon request by an approved individual via password. Once the kid is of a certain age...I guess 17 or 18, it's up to the child/young adult to have it removed or not.


Fuck that shit. You don't think that would be completely abused? I don't want any RFID inside me or my kids or my pets - regardless of the bullshit feel good intentions.

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You know, if its logical to say Obama is turning America into a socialist state, by helping the underpaid of our society to get treated at a doctor without going bankrupt...

then it's logical to say that George W. Bush single handedly murdered every soldier that has died in Iraq.

Just to point out the brains behind your views.
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Fuck that shit. You don't think that would be completely abused? I don't want any RFID inside me or my kids or my pets - regardless of the bullshit feel good intentions.
How would it be abused being password protected? Maybe by the parent, but if it's the parent, it's not abuse at all.

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Fuck that shit. You don't think that would be completely abused? I don't want any RFID inside me or my kids or my pets - regardless of the bullshit feel good intentions.
I have RFID in my dog. If he runs off all the shelter has to do to get my number is scan the chip. I much prefer that to relying only on his tags.
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You know, if its logical to say Obama is turning America into a socialist state, by helping the underpaid of our society to get treated at a doctor without going bankrupt...

then it's logical to say that George W. Bush single handedly murdered every soldier that has died in Iraq.

Just to point out the brains behind your views.
Not to mention our health care problems will get worse as the baby boomer generation gets closer.

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When they do the cash-less society I'm taking my gold bars and family out of this place. I haven't had a bank account in 6 years and I have absolutely no need or desire for one.
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I view it as a necessary evil. I hate banks as much as you do, but crap without them, you are either carrying all the money you own, which is completely stupid, or you are running into problems cause you didn't bring enough cash. And forget ordering online, most places don't like to deal with checks or money orders cause it's an inconvenience. So that right there throws a bunch of your money away cause stuff on the net is usually, in my experience, about 2/3 of the cost of storefront retailers. So while I would love to not have my money in some blasted bank, I don't see another way around it.


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The only implantable chip I'm for is one to keep track of young kids. But, it should be up to the parents discretion, and only accessible by emergency service upon request by an approved individual via password. Once the kid is of a certain age...I guess 17 or 18, it's up to the child/young adult to have it removed or not.
That's still a violation of basic human rights. Kids might not have the same rights as adults, but they are still human beings that don't deserve to be tracked and monitored all their lives, till they reach 18. Not to mention, the gov't would just make it to where another part of the chip breaks off and stays in, or something. Then you only think you got it removed. You just can't do it. No if's, and's or but's. It's just like communism. Sounds good, on paper.
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