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One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it.
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I think the population was more intelligent as a whole back then. Probably the legal citizens vs illegal citizens ratio was better too.

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I think the population was more intelligent as a whole back then. Probably the legal citizens vs illegal citizens ratio was better too.
Illegals weren't walking the streets in '61. They were "kept" in shanty's on ranches and farms, and for all practical purposes, didn't exist, just like it SHOULD be now. They didn't have a voice or a vote, and kept their collective mouths shut.

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Illegals weren't walking the streets in '61. They were "kept" in shanty's on ranches and farms, and for all practical purposes, didn't exist, just like it SHOULD be now. They didn't have a voice or a vote, and kept their collective mouths shut.
Everything is pushing itself to a head right now.

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Everything is pushing itself to a head right now.
And it'll likely be shaped like a mushroom cloud...
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Everything is pushing itself to a head right now.
You're right, and this could get bad. They have awakened the "silent majority", which hasn't been done since the "9/11" event. I'm to the point personally, where I would gladly go to jail for expressing my views. It's been almost 25 years since my wife had to post bail, so I'm over due! LOL!

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i doubt very seriously that anything can be done. the only hope is to put heat on your congress and senate to fight the moron and that stupid bitch from cal . letters do it . just make a draft and send it to everybody letting them know if they let it happen they loose their job. i hope all the bush haters are happy now. the ones i know that voted for that idiot are quite as a church mouse now.

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i doubt very seriously that anything can be done. the only hope is to put heat on your congress and senate to fight the moron and that stupid bitch from cal . letters do it . just make a draft and send it to everybody letting them know if they let it happen they loose their job. i hope all the bush haters are happy now. the ones i know that voted for that idiot are quite as a church mouse now.
That's a failed concept waiting to happen. It never has, nor ever will work.
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i doubt very seriously that anything can be done. the only hope is to put heat on your congress and senate to fight the moron and that stupid bitch from cal . letters do it . just make a draft and send it to everybody letting them know if they let it happen they loose their job. i hope all the bush haters are happy now. the ones i know that voted for that idiot are quite as a church mouse now.
I completely disagree. Just like our path to independence, you will have 1/3 that don't give a shit, 1/3 that are 100$ pro-statist and 1/3 that are sick and tired of the path.

The passion of the right 1/3 will convert some of the middle 1/3, meanwhile the empty played out promises of the left 1/3 will only spark passion against them.

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I completely disagree. Just like our path to independence, you will have 1/3 that don't give a shit, 1/3 that are 100$ pro-statist and 1/3 that are sick and tired of the path.

The passion of the right 1/3 will convert some of the middle 1/3, meanwhile the empty played out promises of the left 1/3 will only spark passion against them.
Where's the other 1/3 that are armed to the hilt?
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unless you can figure a way to impeach him we're stuck until the next election. we learned in the 60's that all you get from protesting is a knot on your head. our vote is the only thing that counts and only in congress and the senate. screw the president vote out the dried up prunes that have been setting on capital hill for 40 years. they cause more trouble than obama . it will take years to straighten this mess out if at all.

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what else can you do denny ? you vote them in , you vote them out. hell only a few in this country even vote . the pressure needs to be on the congress and senate . they are the ones wanting to keep their jobs . president has an 8 year run at best and he's home free.

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Where's the other 1/3 that are armed to the hilt?
That would be the 1/3 on the right.

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IT's all those people out there who don't think their vote counts or think that there are enough other people out there who think like them and will vote that is hurting the right. We need to get more people who think like us and have the same beliefs to start voting. We are being out voted by the sheep because we don't think that it will ever happen to us.

Hell I never in my life thought that Barry would get elected because I had faith in those who think like me. I voted my opinion, but evidently not enough people like me voted and I know they are out there, just need a push to vote.
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what else can you do denny ? you vote them in , you vote them out. hell only a few in this country even vote . the pressure needs to be on the congress and senate . they are the ones wanting to keep their jobs . president has an 8 year run at best and he's home free.
150 days and he's fucked up more than Bush trying to show Clinton how to score a BJ from a chubby intern. Think about what he can do in 4 years, let alone 8. There are ALWAYS options.
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Illegals weren't walking the streets in '61. They were "kept" in shanty's on ranches and farms, and for all practical purposes, didn't exist, just like it SHOULD be now. They didn't have a voice or a vote, and kept their collective mouths shut.
It seems that the people that don't have health insurance (chronically unemployed, illegals, lazy, preexisting health issues preventing the purchase of health insurance, babys momma, etc) and the young people are overwhelmingly for obamas plan, because there is something there for them to take without having to pay, or it is the only way that they can get coverage, or they are still young and stupid.

Meanwhile, older people (who are the people paying their own way) don't want to pay any more to cover the above coverageless group.

Having government run the plan is a horrible idea. The government needs to use its purchasing power to drive down costs, and needs to look into tort reform. Of course, the lobbyists have stuck their noses in to prevent that from ever happening, and there are too many senators and congressmen on the payroll of big pharma.
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It seems that the people that don't have health insurance (chronically unemployed, illegals, lazy, preexisting health issues preventing the purchase of health insurance, babys momma, etc) and the young people are overwhelmingly for obamas plan, because there is something there for them to take without having to pay, or it is the only way that they can get coverage, or they are still young and stupid.

Meanwhile, older people (who are the people paying their own way) don't want to pay any more to cover the above coverageless group.

Having government run the plan is a horrible idea. The government needs to use its purchasing power to drive down costs, and needs to look into tort reform. Of course, the lobbyists have stuck their noses in to prevent that from ever happening, and there are too many senators and congressmen on the payroll of big pharma.
i disagree on some points of yours Mike.

Its long been the position of the AARP and other "older folk" groups to take whats theirs in terms of social benifits (social security)while the gettin's good , knowing full well that greater and greater burden is being placed on the youth of today who will be supporting more and more retirees per working adult.

I can tell you that not a lot of educated youth think that we are going to see a single dime out of the money we put into social security. The program will be long dead by the time we retire.
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i disagree on some points of yours Mike.

Its long been the position of the AARP and other "older folk" groups to take whats theirs in terms of social benifits (social security)while the gettin's good , knowing full well that greater and greater burden is being placed on the youth of today who will be supporting more and more retirees per working adult.

I can tell you that not a lot of educated youth think that we are going to see a single dime out of the money we put into social security. The program will be long dead by the time we retire.
I was going by a poll in the paper that I saw ranking peoples ages, whether they were for or against obamas health plan, and what their major health concern was. As people got older their overwhelming concern became cost of healthcare (and as you get older health insurance costs increase, trust me - I was quoted $1100/month for a family of 4, didn't go for that deal!).

Anyway, the poll showed that the youngsters were more for the plan than against it, and as the polled demographic got older there were more and more people against it, probably because older people know bullshit when they see it.
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It seems that the people that don't have health insurance (chronically unemployed, illegals, lazy, preexisting health issues preventing the purchase of health insurance, babys momma, etc) and the young people are overwhelmingly for obamas plan, because there is something there for them to take without having to pay, or it is the only way that they can get coverage, or they are still young and stupid.

Meanwhile, older people (who are the people paying their own way) don't want to pay any more to cover the above coverageless group.

Having government run the plan is a horrible idea. The government needs to use its purchasing power to drive down costs, and needs to look into tort reform. Of course, the lobbyists have stuck their noses in to prevent that from ever happening, and there are too many senators and congressmen on the payroll of big pharma.
Mike, remember that Barry is going to cut Medicare $500 billion (with a "B") right off the bat. THAT is what scares the senior crowd, too. The feds have been robbing Medicare for years (especially the Dems) and siphoning that money to other programs. At least now, Barry is being up front about it...and they hate it.

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Government spending on healthcare is out of control right now, and it needs reform. the government spends more and more on it every year, its an open check book and its out of control.

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Mike, remember that Barry is going to cut Medicare $500 billion (with a "B") right off the bat. THAT is what scares the senior crowd, too. The feds have been robbing Medicare for years (especially the Dems) and siphoning that money to other programs. At least now, Barry is being up front about it...and they hate it.
And don't forget that there are more old people around with the baby boomers growing old; that adds to the overall cost.
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And don't forget that there are more old people around with the baby boomers growing old; that adds to the overall cost.
Absolutely.

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With every cent that was withheld from my paycheck all my life, my boss had to match, that amount. Then when we went into business for ourselves we had to match the withholdings from our employees checks. That money was originally set up to go into a trust fund and the interest would help to make sure their would always be enough money to pay people their S.S. when they reach 62/65 to help them with their retirement. (after all it is their money) But several years ago the government (Dem's) could not stand the fact that their was so much money in a fund that they was not using, so they started taking large sums out putting in IOU's this was done time & time again. The the stupid fools had the Gaul to go on national TV and say that S.S. would be broke sometime around 2037.
If they were so concerned about S.S. going broke why did they not use some of the Stimulus money to repay S.S. or Better yet lay off the pork that the Dem's have put in the Bill that they have sent through in the last 6 weeks that I have watched on Cspan that was so laden with pork that they could have paid back S.S. three times over. They are set for life and they don't give a d_ _ _. They all need to go NOW. We need to email, call, write, march, until they get rid of all the czars, Stop trying to pass the crazy Cap & (Tax) Trade Bill, Keep protesting until they get the Health Care Bill Right, Stop calling people that only want answer to good question UN American, AstroTurf, Nazi's, stupid, gangsters, mobs & uninformed.

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