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So when will we finally know the outcome?

When we gonna know how all this healthcare bullshit is going to turn out? Im tired of listening to all this crap about it. Not saying I don't care how it turns out, just saying that I am ready to hear how it's going to be. It seems like they realized that their original goal just ain't happening, and so they are conceding to just pass some new laws regarding it or something. When will we know?

And my other question is purely hpothetical, just cause I know it's impossible. But what if we just said screw social security, screw medicare, screw the hospitals having to treat someone by law. And we got rid of any law pertaining to healthcare and just let it completely thrive on competition? What if we took it to capitolism in it's purest form? Would it level off and become completely affordable? Maybe a doctor visit would cost like $10? And the pills that come afterwards would be like $15?
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When we gonna know how all this healthcare bullshit is going to turn out? Im tired of listening to all this crap about it. Not saying I don't care how it turns out, just saying that I am ready to hear how it's going to be. It seems like they realized that their original goal just ain't happening, and so they are conceding to just pass some new laws regarding it or something. When will we know?

And my other question is purely hpothetical, just cause I know it's impossible. But what if we just said screw social security, screw medicare, screw the hospitals having to treat someone by law. And we got rid of any law pertaining to healthcare and just let it completely thrive on competition? What if we took it to capitolism in it's purest form? Would it level off and become completely affordable? Maybe a doctor visit would cost like $10? And the pills that come afterwards would be like $15?
Hospitals should be required to treat someone by law, but only if it's a life and death situation and the person getting the treatment must be required to make some form of payment plan/schedule or risk a lengthy prison sentence.

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Hospitals should be required to treat someone by law, but only if it's a life and death situation and the person getting the treatment must be required to make some form of payment plan/schedule or risk a lengthy prison sentence.
I totally agree. They should be able to garnish wages for it, and if the person was an illegal they get treated, and promptly deported to lower mexico. Or imprisoned where they work hard for free for a while.
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the final out come? they are going to settle on some sort of compromise, and in a couple years there will be another compromise, and so on.

I think everyone understands it needs to be fixed, right now the government has an open check book on healthcare spending, and every year it goes up. it really is out of control, and they will settle on some sort of compromise that will work for a couple years, and then wont, and we will be back to this debate

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This issue has been on the table for the left the past 50+ years. They will keep trying until they get something forced through.
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the final out come? they are going to settle on some sort of compromise, and in a couple years there will be another compromise, and so on.

I think everyone understands it needs to be fixed, right now the government has an open check book on healthcare spending, and every year it goes up. it really is out of control, and they will settle on some sort of compromise that will work for a couple years, and then wont, and we will be back to this debate
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This issue has been on the table for the left the past 50+ years. They will keep trying until they get something forced through.
Yeah that's what I figured. Although, my hope is this: That we can delay it long enough, that medical science advances so far, that it becomes a non issue. 150 years ago if you had a headache, you were just freaking screwed. Now you go pay 8 bucks and get a little bottle of advil. I realize it's going to be a fucking long ass time, but if it can become a non-issue like that, then there is no way possible they could use it for fascist agendas like they do now. You would just go get a paralysis cure, or diabetus or alzhiemers cure real quick from wal mart, just like you would a bicycle tube repair kit. No point in trying to regulate that, it won't get you anywhere.
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When we gonna know how all this healthcare bullshit is going to turn out? Im tired of listening to all this crap about it. Not saying I don't care how it turns out, just saying that I am ready to hear how it's going to be. It seems like they realized that their original goal just ain't happening, and so they are conceding to just pass some new laws regarding it or something. When will we know?

And my other question is purely hpothetical, just cause I know it's impossible. But what if we just said screw social security, screw medicare, screw the hospitals having to treat someone by law. And we got rid of any law pertaining to healthcare and just let it completely thrive on competition? What if we took it to capitolism in it's purest form? Would it level off and become completely affordable? Maybe a doctor visit would cost like $10? And the pills that come afterwards would be like $15?
If we went purely capitalist, we would have milllllllllions of homeless. There are very few people in this country who have saved and invested enough money over their lifetime to afford to retire and live off their own money.

As much as some people don't want to admit it or even consider it, the best economy for our country is mostly capitalism with a mix of socialism. The dumbshit bureaucrats just don't know how to run either one properly and give both a bad name.

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Yeah that's what I figured. Although, my hope is this: That we can delay it long enough, that medical science advances so far, that it becomes a non issue. 150 years ago if you had a headache, you were just freaking screwed. Now you go pay 8 bucks and get a little bottle of advil. I realize it's going to be a fucking long ass time, but if it can become a non-issue like that, then there is no way possible they could use it for fascist agendas like they do now. You would just go get a paralysis cure, or diabetus or alzhiemers cure real quick from wal mart, just like you would a bicycle tube repair kit. No point in trying to regulate that, it won't get you anywhere.
You can get surgery now that prevents migraines almost altogether lol

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You can get surgery now that prevents migraines almost altogether lol
Yeah but you get the idea. There is still a ton of crap that can go wrong with the human body these days, that 100 years from now will just be a joke. Hopefully as time goes by, there will just be less and less of a reason for the filth of the politician world to want to use it for something. It's just another way for them to try to garner more control. I guarantee you, if there was no possible way for them to use it as a means of control, it would be the furthest thing from their minds. They would never even think about it. They would not even know it exists.

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This issue has been on the table for the left the past 50+ years. They will keep trying until they get something forced through.
You know, like around 75 years ago (i think..) the government almost made it to where there was a limit on the prices you could charge on any service deemed "Necessary for life". This was directed at electricity and water. Who knows, maybe things would be better these days if they had. Or worse. But unlike healthcare, my electricity does not improve in quality if I go with another company.
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You know, like around 75 years ago (i think..) the government almost made it to where there was a limit on the prices you could charge on any service deemed "Necessary for life". This was directed at electricity and water. Who knows, maybe things would be better these days if they had. Or worse. But unlike healthcare, my electricity does not improve in quality if I go with another company.
teddy roosevelt was the first to try purpose a public option.

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