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So, when Liberals protest, its what the people want, but...

...when conservatives protest...its "manufactured?"

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The White House said Tuesday that some of the anger that Democratic lawmakers have encountered at town hall meetings over the past several days is "manufactured."

"In fact, I think you've had groups today, Conservatives for Patients Rights, that have bragged about organizing and manufacturing that anger," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

The debate over President Obama's top domestic priority is escalating as Congress takes a month-long recess. Several lawmakers have been booed, jeered, and occasionally cheered by protesters on their home turfs at town hall meetings on health care reform.

Gibbs singled out Rick Scott, chairman of Conservatives for Patients' Rights, as the ringleader.

"I think you've got somebody who's very involved, a leader of that group that's very involved in the status quo, a CEO that used to run a health care company that was fined by the federal government $1.7 billion for fraud. I think that's a lot of what you need to know about the motives of that group."

Scott said no needs to "manufacture" anger or concern "when 86 percent of Americans are happy with their current health care and they feel that it is threatened by a massive government take over."

"It is a shame that Mr. Gibbs chooses to dismiss these Americans and their very real concerns instead of opting to level personal attacks," he said in a statement. "The simple fact is that the more Americans learn about the president's public options plan, the more they realize it is a massive government takeover plan that will mean higher taxes, bigger deficits and interfere with their current coverage resulting in delayed or denied medical care for them and their families. That is why support for his plan is plummeting like a rock."

The weekend events taken together with polls reflecting growing public doubts about the president's push to remake the system for providing medical care reflect the public mood and the obstacles facing the Obama administration.

Four of five congressional committees have approved versions of health care bills, but lawmakers fell short of Obama's deadline for the House and Senate to vote on bills before their August recess. That sets up a September showdown on the legislation and all sides have moved into high gear.

Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius faced an antagonistic, standing-room-only crowd Sunday at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia. Rep. Steve Kagen of Wisconsin encountered a rowdy mob of protesters at a town hall meeting on Monday night. And Rep. Llloyd Doggett, D-Texas, was surrounded by protesters shouting "Just say no!" to Democrats' health plans in Texas over the weekend. He accused Republicans of organizing the opposition.

"This mob ... did not come just to be heard, but to deny others the right to be heard. And this appears to be part of a coordinated, nationwide effort," Doggett said in a statement. "What could be more appropriate for the 'party of not' than having its stalwarts drowning out the voices of their neighbors by screaming 'Just say no!'"

The Democratic National Committee has dismissed the protests as "mob rule."

"The Republicans and their allied groups desperate after losing two consecutive elections and every major policy fight on Capitol Hill ... are inciting angry mobs of a small number of rabid right wing extremists funded by K Street Lobbyists to disrupt thoughtful discussions about the future of health care in America taking place in Congressional Districts across the country," DNC spokesman Brad Woodhouse said in a statement.


Woodhouse said Republican operatives and special interests are funding and organizing these groups in an effort to stop Obama's top domestic priority.

"The right wing extremists' use of things like devil horns on pictures of our elected officials, hanging members of Congress in effigy, breathlessly questioning the president's citizenship and the use of Nazi SS symbols and the like just shows how outside of the mainstream the Republican Party and their allies are," he said. "This type of anger and discord did not serve Republicans well in 2008 ... and it is bound to backfire again."

Specter, a recent Republican-turned-Democrat, said he thought political organizations orchestrated some of the commotion, but that individuals with serious concerns -- some in dire medical conditions -- were also there.

He said other lawmakers can expect the same as they face voters on the divisive issue of overhauling health care.

"I wouldn't be surprised if that's the harbinger of things to come," Specter said.

But some town hall goers say they have not been organized.

Shelly Colby told FOX News that most of the people that turned out for Doggett's town hall were there to speak to the lawmaker.

"We weren't coerced by the Republicans, the Libertarian. We came out on our own because we have real concerns about the bills," she said.


Not all Democratic lawmakers have had to contend with unruly crowds at their town hall meetings.

Rep. Elijah Cummings told FOX News he didn't get shouted down at a town hall meeting he held in Baltimore.

"As a matter of fact, there was no incident like other town hall meetings, and that's because I had an opportunity to explain to these veterans exactly what we're trying to do and how it would affect them and their family," Cummings said.
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I'm pretty sure the British said "Who keeps funding these yahoos? We all know the Colonists are okay with paying higher taxes..."
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I was flipping channels and happened across rachel maddow's show. That is exactly the spin that the libs are putting on these protests - "right wing people hell bent on disrupting town hall meetings".

Funny, they looked like average people to me, outraged at the cost of all of this legislation, but the libs are going to do their best to malign and mis-characterize these people.
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I'll bet anybody lunch, that when Congress goes back in session, they give us all a big "fuck you", and vote in a health care bill. They don't give two shits about what we want. It's all about them...at least until we vote.

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I'll bet anybody lunch, that when Congress goes back in session, they give us all a big "fuck you", and vote in a health care bill. They don't give two shits about what we want. It's all about them...at least until we vote.
That is what consistently has pissed me off. For the most part we are dealing with a bunch of power hungry ivy league assholes ignoring their constituents and fast tracking some of the most insane legislation I have ever seen.

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The thin veil of bullshit is coming down, faster than they anticipated and quicker than they can cover back up with.

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I have a feeling the liberals in the WH were hoping to ride the Messiah's popularity and not have to go negative and hate-filled like they are doing. I knew it would eventually happen (especially since I was ahate-filled liberal once when I was younger) but not this soon.

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I'll bet anybody lunch, that when Congress goes back in session, they give us all a big "fuck you", and vote in a health care bill. They don't give two shits about what we want. It's all about them...at least until we vote.
I'll bet that these reactions from constituents will make a few of the politicians ponder the wisdom of voting for this piece of shit, lest they lose their seat in the next election. You can only ignore the voter's wishes for so long as a politician before it bites you in the ass.
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I'll bet that these reactions from constituents will make a few of the politicians ponder the wisdom of voting for this piece of shit, lest they lose their seat in the next election. You can only ignore the voter's wishes for so long as a politician before it bites you in the ass.
If this doesn't get their attention, nothing will. They pretty much ignored the public opinion on the stimulus package, and now most of them are canceling their "town-hall" meetings to avoid face-to-face contact, because they know what's coming. Most are going to "tele-conferences", saying it gives them a broader audience. LOL!

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If this doesn't get their attention, nothing will. They pretty much ignored the public opinion on the stimulus package, and now most of them are canceling their "town-hall" meetings to avoid face-to-face contact, because they know what's coming. Most are going to "tele-conferences", saying it gives them a broader audience. LOL!
Then people need to follow them, interupt their daily lives, but do it peacefully.

Maybe hire some private investigators to 'alert' the public on their times and activities. Want to play politics? Let's play!

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I'm pretty sure the British said "Who keeps funding these yahoos? We all know the Colonists are okay with paying higher taxes..."
The sad thing is I bet 99% of the American public don't have a clue what you are referring to. Do they even teach history or civics anymore? Most people don't know that we fought a war over less then a 5% tax. Right now we are somewhere around 40%.

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I was flipping channels and happened across rachel maddow's show. That is exactly the spin that the libs are putting on these protests - "right wing people hell bent on disrupting town hall meetings".

Funny, they looked like average people to me, outraged at the cost of all of this legislation, but the libs are going to do their best to malign and mis-characterize these people.
Funny, this guys a registered Democrat.

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So it appears as if Community Organizers don't really like it when communities organize, huh. Funny how that works out that way.

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Funny, this guys a registered Democrat.
Wow...he's not even paying attention to him and doesn't care. Hey, look! Irrelevant Erie Canal comparison!

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I just saw a liberal commentator on that hack Olberman's show and he is claiming that the "fake" protests at these town hall meetings will actually help the health care package pass. His claim is that true Americans will see these fake protests and it will remind them of the McCain/Palin rallies where violence was advocated against Obama and people who disagree with conservatives.

This is just another in a long line of liberal hypocrisy. When the liberals claimed Bush was lying with no proof, or that he should be prosecuted as a war criminal, or that he was stupid, or any of the others false allegations, it was just being a patriot, but when both sides protest the Messiah's socialism, it is fake and un-American.

The latest poll on Obamas handling of health care shows 39% favorable and 52% unfavorable. I guess the liberals have their head stuck in the sand again.

Can we now call Obama "Carter 2"?

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Can we now call Obama "Carter 2"?
I'm just waiting on inflation to go through the roof so I can getz me some of those 13% CD rates.
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I just saw a liberal commentator on that hack Olberman's show and he is claiming that the "fake" protests at these town hall meetings will actually help the health care package pass. His claim is that true Americans will see these fake protests and it will remind them of the McCain/Palin rallies where violence was advocated against Obama and people who disagree with conservatives.

This is just another in a long line of liberal hypocrisy. When the liberals claimed Bush was lying with no proof, or that he should be prosecuted as a war criminal, or that he was stupid, or any of the others false allegations, it was just being a patriot, but when both sides protest the Messiah's socialism, it is fake and un-American.

The latest poll on Obamas handling of health care shows 39% favorable and 52% unfavorable. I guess the liberals have their head stuck in the sand again.

Can we now call Obama "Carter 2"?
Barry makes Carter look like Ronald Reagan. We will get the "Carter inflation rate" just as soon as the unemployment stops rising...whenever that may be.

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I'm just waiting on inflation to go through the roof so I can getz me some of those 13% CD rates.
and don't forget some government cheese.
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I'm just waiting on inflation to go through the roof so I can getz me some of those 13% CD rates.
You'll need it to keep up with the 15% mortgage rates and 22% auto loans. Unemployment numbers are juuuuust about there. The report comes out today, and maybe we can hit that magical Carter number, which is 10%!

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You'll need it to keep up with the 15% mortgage rates and 22% auto loans. Unemployment numbers are juuuuust about there. The report comes out today, and maybe we can hit that magical Carter number, which is 10%!
Hoping to have my mortgage before then. Worse case scenario is I borrow the money from family @6% rather than fuck with that shit.
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When hyperinflation starts it's going to get nasty. Obama will be run out and so will the Dems who proudly proclaimed "We will proudly take responsibility for the bills we pass!"
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What really makes me mad in all this is it doesn't affect congress's health care in any way.

They will continue to get their solid gold health care while the public will receive sub par healthcare.

If they received the same health care the public does they would sing a different tune real quick.

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I like how the powers that be are now trying to tie the passage of this health care reform to the recovery of the economy.
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