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Angry Sweet: Dems vow health bill with or without Republicans

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Frustrated with the pace of bipartisan talks, Democratic leaders on Monday promised to push a sweeping health care bill through the Senate whether they get Republican support or not.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., the third-ranking Senate Democrat, raised the prospect of the leadership crafting a bill to Democratic specifications and using a rare legislative procedure to expedite legislation fulfilling President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

"We will have contingencies in place. These plans will likely be considered as a last resort, but they are on the table," Schumer told reporters on a conference call. He declined to elaborate.

After numerous delays, three Democrats and three Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee are facing a Sept. 15 deadline to wrap up secretive talks and come up with a plan.

"If we cannot produce a bipartisan solution by then you have to wonder if the Republicans will ever to be willing to agree to anything," Schumer said.

Four House and Senate committees have already passed sweeping health care bills, but none has attracted a single Republican vote. That makes it unlikely or impossible that they could attract the 60 votes necessary to advance in the 100-seat Senate.

Schumer said Democratic leaders continue to look at invoking a procedural maneuver that would allow them to pass the health bill with 51 instead of 60 votes. That route is viewed as a last resort since it limits what legislative measures would be allowed and any broad policy initiatives would probably have to be limited.

Schumer wouldn't say what other contingencies were being considered. He accused Republican leaders of trying to hinder bipartisan progress to deny President Barack Obama a political victory.

A spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., scoffed at Schumer's complaints. He noted that Schumer himself hasn't committed to supporting whatever the Finance negotiators produce and that other Democrats have also criticized the plan that's taking shape.

"Seriously. How can any Democrat who doesn't support what the bipartisan group of Finance members is working on complain about there not being a bipartisan approach," said McConnell spokesman Don Stewart. "Has Senator Schumer or anyone in the Democrat leadership offered a bipartisan bill?"

Schumer and many other liberals favor a strong new government-run insurance plan that would compete with private insurers, and all the plans passed so far have included that. But Republicans nearly uniformly oppose a new public plan, saying it would drive private insurers out of business, so the Finance negotiators are looking at a system of nonprofit health co-ops instead.

Schumer said negotiations on the Finance bill were continuing.

"No one's drawing any lines in the sand right now but I feel very strongly we need a public option and that fight is continuing," he said.

The Finance Committee negotiators planned to resume their talks Monday under the leadership of Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont. The Senate leaves Friday for a monthlong recess. The House began its break last Friday.

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I wonder how they're going to spin this into Bush's fault when it crashes?
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I don't follow politics to much, but why are they pushing this health care bill so hard?

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I don't follow politics to much, but why are they pushing this health care bill so hard?
1) So congress and Barry can control 20% of our economy, and
2) If Barry doesn't get this done, his so-called presidency will be an utter failure.

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Because, if you've been paying the remotest of attention, Obama wants complete power over every aspect of your life. What car you drive, banks, what doctor you see, what operation you have done, when you die (because let's face it, that what this does. If you're "too old" you're not getting care) He wants you to undergo "end of life" counseling to tell you you shouldn't be a burden on society or your family and to just die.
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1984 Ring a bell?

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2) If Barry doesn't get this done, his so-called presidency will be an utter failure.
You mean his presidency hasn't ALREADY been deemed a failure? I thought that happened a few months ago.
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You mean his presidency hasn't ALREADY been deemed a failure? I thought that happened a few months ago.
..."utter" failure.

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I hate Schumer. I fucking loathe him.
Why hasn't anything a bill come forward yet, you elitist prick? Because the majority of the country doesn't want this!

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Holy Shit the man on the left side even looks like Oblama. SEE vvvvv SEE

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1) So congress and Barry can control 20% of our economy, and
2) If Barry doesn't get this done, his so-called presidency will be an utter failure.
20%??!! Doesn't he already control about 30%?!

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I don't follow politics to much, but why are they pushing this health care bill so hard?
Because they know we are going to burn their fucking houses to the ground in 2010.....
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1984 Ring a bell?

Yep, I agree that's where were headed and it's being done deliberately.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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20%??!! Doesn't he already control about 30%?!
I meant healthcare ALONE is about 20% of our total economy. Of course with the GM and banking acquisitions included, I'm sure it would be up around your 30%...

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I have no doubt it's intentional. The dems have been moving towards this for decades, they just got someone who has the charisma of Hitler in that idiots are willing to listen to and believe in.
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