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Here we go again. Whether is it true or not nothing will come of this.

I expect this to end with someone telling us that We The People do not deserve to know where he was born.

I sure do hope I am wrong though.

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If they are forced to admit it, they will spin it by saying his mother was an American citizen and therefor passed it along to Obama Jr.
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If they are forced to admit it, they will spin it by saying his mother was an American citizen and therefor passed it along to Obama Jr.
She wasn't old enough to pass it along.

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She wasn't old enough to pass it along.
On the cert. it says she was 18 yo. What is the age requirement to pass it along?
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On the cert. it says she was 18 yo. What is the age requirement to pass it along?
There is no requirement of age.

There is some requirement regarding physical time spent in the US prior to birthing a child abroad.

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Won't matter. Now that he has said..."oh, btw, we are going to have to tax the Middle class..." to pay for health care and all the money they just spent, he is D-O-N-E. 8 months before empeachment hearings start if not sooner as the Dems will hang his ass out to dry. Sacrificial lamb...

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where the fuck did they find that,looks like it was folded in someones walet

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Alex Jones had it on his website saying they don't know if it's real or fake. Supposedly Allan Keyes is trying to get it into court.

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well this would explain why he didnt want his records released, piece of lying shit. I mean if he was in fact a citizen, he could have joked about it and had the damn posted up on every news channel there is and asked people to please drop it.

Instead he has been secretive and sly about it. Ill laugh my ass off if he gets impeached but ill cry that a foreigner was actually able to become president in the first place.

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Even if he was born abroad, his mom lived more than 5 years of her life in the US before he was born, and I'm willing to bet 2 of those years were after her 14th birthday, so it really doesn't matter where he was born. Can we focus on the man's politics, please? This ad hominem shit is boring already. Does a man's place of birth really matter?

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does kenya print everything in english?

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Even if he was born abroad, his mom lived more than 5 years of her life in the US before he was born, and I'm willing to bet 2 of those years were after her 14th birthday, so it really doesn't matter where he was born. Can we focus on the man's politics, please? This ad hominem shit is boring already. Does a man's place of birth really matter?
I agree. Even if they found anything, it would take the bastards in congress the rest of his term to do anything about it. Let's focus on what a walking fuck-up he is, and deal with it.

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does kenya print everything in english?
Really? They were a British colony until the late '50s. They still print everything in English and Swahili.

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Even if he was born abroad, his mom lived more than 5 years of her life in the US before he was born, and I'm willing to bet 2 of those years were after her 14th birthday, so it really doesn't matter where he was born. Can we focus on the man's politics, please? This ad hominem shit is boring already. Does a man's place of birth really matter?
Yes. Yes it does, according to the Constitution. If he was born in Kenya and his mother was eligible to transfer citizenship to him, then why lie about being born in hawaii? I dont' buy it. He's hid everything about himself while claming transparancy.
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Yes. Yes it does, according to the Constitution. If he was born in Kenya and his mother was eligible to transfer citizenship to him, then why lie about being born in hawaii? I dont' buy it. He's hid everything about himself while claming transparancy.
So is does this internet birth certificate carry more weight than the previous one from Hawaii?

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this whole conspiracy theory is just making republicans look bad, can we drop the whole thing please

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this whole conspiracy theory is just making republicans look bad, can we drop the whole thing please
The fact that "liberals" don't even give a damn looks worse IMO.

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So is does this internet birth certificate carry more weight than the previous one from Hawaii?
You're asking if the authentic-appearing, folded, 1964-dated document seems more legit than this digital, generic, easily fabricated one with no detail?



Yes.

I find it appalling that some of you don't mind the idea of a non-citizen being the leader of this country. Hey, next time let's get a Venezuelan in here, they are peppy dressers and I like the accent! The only thing that makes the Republicans look bad is that they aren't pushing this Constitutional crisis harder.

If this 1964 document turns out to be legitamite, what do you think will happen?
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I thought this was his birth certificate?

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You're asking if the authentic-appearing, folded, 1964-dated document seems more legit than this digital, generic, easily fabricated one with no detail?

Yes.

I find it appalling that some of you don't mind the idea of a non-citizen being the leader of this country. Hey, next time let's get a Venezuelan in here, they are peppy dressers and I like the accent! The only thing that makes the Republicans look bad is that they aren't pushing this Constitutional crisis harder.

If this 1964 document turns out to be legitamite, what do you think will happen?
GTFO of here with that patriotism!


Really though. It's not like Hawaii supports and voted for Hussein. So why would their office of records cooperate with a cover up?
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You're asking if the authentic-appearing, folded, 1964-dated document seems more legit than this digital, generic, easily fabricated one with no detail?



Yes.

I find it appalling that some of you don't mind the idea of a non-citizen being the leader of this country. Hey, next time let's get a Venezuelan in here, they are peppy dressers and I like the accent! The only thing that makes the Republicans look bad is that they aren't pushing this Constitutional crisis harder.

If this 1964 document turns out to be legitamite, what do you think will happen?
Absolutely nothing. Obama has too many weapons at his disposal to let the truth come out now. I am starting to think that nobody in power has the ability/will to stand up for the truth anymore...damn.

A new comment I just read that I though was interesting, if Obama wasn't a Natural Born Citizen wouldn't McCain and or Hillary have used that against him?

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Absolutely nothing. Obama has too many weapons at his disposal to let the truth come out now. I am starting to think that nobody in power has the ability/will to stand up for the truth anymore...damn.

A new comment I just read that I though was interesting, if Obama wasn't a Natural Born Citizen wouldn't McCain and or Hillary have used that against him?
It's difficult to prove and McCain was already having his own citizenship questioned even though he was born while his father was serving our country overseas.
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they have a birth certificate, they have multiple birth announcements in several hawaiian news papers.

these birthers would have us believe that the news papers were rewritten and reprinted 5 years after his birth in a big cover up.

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they have a birth certificate, they have multiple birth announcements in several hawaiian news papers.

these birthers would have us believe that the news papers were rewritten and reprinted 5 years after his birth in a big cover up.
They do not have a birth certiciate. They have a certiciate of live birth. BIG difference when you're POTUS.

When you file for a certificate of live birth, it is on public record, hence it would show up in a paper. What part of any of that PROVES that he was born in the US?

The only way is to get the long form birth certificate showing the hospital and the attending physician that gave birth to him.
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Absolutely nothing. Obama has too many weapons at his disposal to let the truth come out now. I am starting to think that nobody in power has the ability/will to stand up for the truth anymore...damn.

A new comment I just read that I though was interesting, if Obama wasn't a Natural Born Citizen wouldn't McCain and or Hillary have used that against him?
No, because, for some reason McCain took everything that you could attack Berry with, off the table. No talk about his ties to Ayers or Wright, no talk about Weather Underground...none of that.

And Hillary? No, she got sold out by her own party and I think there's a reason she 'politely' bowed out and is now secretary of state.
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they have multiple birth announcements in several hawaiian news papers.
We both know a birth announcement in a paper does not hold much water...I am not suggesting that they had it re-printed at all, but it is not like they require proof. The announcements could have even been made up. Certainly not because they were planning on him being POTUS, but they could have lied for other reasons.

My girlfriend's mother is having hell getting a passport because she was born at Arlington Memorial about a month after it opened and they can't find the original records of her birth (everything was done by paper) or her original birth certificate (her mom has Alzheimer's). She worked at AMH when she was 16 in the nursery, and they did an article about her having been born there and working there later. Passport office said it wasn't good enough to get her a passport.

Not saying he wasn't born here, just saying an article in a paper doesn't prove that he was.

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No, because, for some reason McCain took everything that you could attack Berry with, off the table. No talk about his ties to Ayers or Wright, no talk about Weather Underground...none of that.

And Hillary? No, she got sold out by her own party and I think there's a reason she 'politely' bowed out and is now secretary of state.
She planning on killing the up-line till she gets to the head?

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Another question is could hussein's parents have legally been married since bama Sr was already married (with children) to an african at the time he "married" bama's mama?
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its not like birth announcements are automatic or free, 50 years ago you had to go down to your local new paper, fill out some papers and pay a printing fee.

how would a poor african get half way around the world in 1961 in time to get a viable birth announcement in to all the papers? thats a 3 week trip for some one of moderate income back then. and we are talking about a poor african here, a journey like that would be measured in months.

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its not like birth announcements are automatic or free, 50 years ago you had to go down to your local new paper, fill out some papers and pay a printing fee.

how would a poor african get half way around the world in 1961 in time to get a viable birth announcement in to all the papers? thats a 3 week trip for some one of moderate income back then. and we are talking about a poor african here, a journey like that would be measured in months.
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its not like birth announcements are automatic or free, 50 years ago you had to go down to your local new paper, fill out some papers and pay a printing fee.

how would a poor african get half way around the world in 1961 in time to get a viable birth announcement in to all the papers? thats a 3 week trip for some one of moderate income back then. and we are talking about a poor african here, a journey like that would be measured in months.
Wow. That's your argument?? Really??
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how would a poor african get half way around the world in 1961 in time to get a viable birth announcement in to all the papers? thats a 3 week trip for some one of moderate income back then. and we are talking about a poor african here, a journey like that would be measured in months.
Perhaps the scholarship that enabled bama Sr to attend our colleges paid for his travel as well?
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Perhaps the scholarship that enabled bama Sr to attend our colleges paid for his travel as well?
even if they did, its not like there is a direct flight from kenya to hawaii in 1961, its still a long hard journey that takes several weeks. and your telling me the first thing he did once he got to hawaii is go straight to the news papers and have them print a birth announcement? even if he made the trip in 2 weeks he still would have not been able to get the report out in time to match the dates it was published in the newspaper. oh and he did all this with a new born child.

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even if they did, its not like there is a direct flight from kenya to hawaii in 1961, its still a long hard journey that takes several weeks. and your telling me the first thing he did once he got to hawaii is go straight to the news papers and have them print a birth announcement? even if he made the trip in 2 weeks he still would have not been able to get the report out in time to match the dates it was published in the newspaper. oh and he did all this with a new born child.
You do realize that there were jetliners in 1961, right? It wasn't like he jumped on a truck innertube (a la Haitian-style), and was just hoping he'd wash up on Hawaii. It may have taken a couple of days, but was not a huge deal. I love it when white men try to "live" the plight of the black man...

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Does a man's place of birth really matter?
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You do realize that there were jetliners in 1961, right? It wasn't like he jumped on a truck innertube (a la Haitian-style), and was just hoping he'd wash up on Hawaii. It may have taken a couple of days, but was not a huge deal. I love it when white men try to "live" the plight of the black man...
of course there were jet liners in 1961, but you are forgetting this is rural africa,how many people were traveling to and from rural africa in the early 1960s? and in 1961 most people still came to america via boat.

still your talking about a very expensive trip, even today very few schools will pay transportation costs for students coming from over seas, especial a black kid in 1961. though someone had to pay for it, its not like the school was paying for him to travel back and forth as much as the birthers would have you believe, and that they would pay for his wife to fly to and from africa as many times

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of course there were jet liners in 1961, but you are forgetting this is rural africa,how many people were traveling to and from rural africa in the early 1960s? and in 1961 most people still came to america via boat.

still your talking about a very expensive trip, even today very few schools will pay transportation costs for students coming from over seas, especial a black kid in 1961. though someone had to pay for it, its not like the school was paying for him to travel back and forth as much as the birthers would have you believe, and that they would pay for his wife to fly to and from africa as many times
Just wanted to be sure we were talking "1961", and not "1861"...LOL!

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of course there were jet liners in 1961, but you are forgetting this is rural africa,how many people were traveling to and from rural africa in the early 1960s? and in 1961 most people still came to america via boat.

still your talking about a very expensive trip, even today very few schools will pay transportation costs for students coming from over seas, especial a black kid in 1961. though someone had to pay for it, its not like the school was paying for him to travel back and forth as much as the birthers would have you believe, and that they would pay for his wife to fly to and from africa as many times
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of course there were jet liners in 1961, but you are forgetting this is rural africa,how many people were traveling to and from rural africa in the early 1960s? and in 1961 most people still came to america via boat.

still your talking about a very expensive trip, even today very few schools will pay transportation costs for students coming from over seas, especial a black kid in 1961. though someone had to pay for it, its not like the school was paying for him to travel back and forth as much as the birthers would have you believe, and that they would pay for his wife to fly to and from africa as many times
Oh I see, they could pay for him to go back and forth sometimes, just not around the time that Obama was born. I think the whole birth certificate thing is a waste of time but really, dude, your defense is pure shit.

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Evidently the guy wasn't too poor. Him and Mrs Obama went to Pakistan when barry was a kid and spent years there as well as several other countries. Doesn't sound like a poor guy to me.
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We have a little something called the constitution you dumbass. You have the same mindset as the dems....
I have my own mindset, thanks. Further, are you saying that we serve the constitution? Are you saying that you are less capable in a foreign country of a given task than you are here?

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I find it appalling that some of you don't mind the idea of a non-citizen being the leader of this country. Hey, next time let's get a Venezuelan in here, they are peppy dressers and I like the accent! The only thing that makes the Republicans look bad is that they aren't pushing this Constitutional crisis harder.

If this 1964 document turns out to be legitamite, what do you think will happen?
Again, he's not a non-citizen. He meets the requirements for dual citizenship from birth, even if the Kenyan document is the real one.

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This subject seems to be picking up some steam nationally, as we speak.

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they have a birth certificate, they have multiple birth announcements in several hawaiian news papers.

these birthers would have us believe that the news papers were rewritten and reprinted 5 years after his birth in a big cover up.
The story I saw on the newspaper notice said it appeared about 7 or more days (I forget) after his birth. If that's true, this may still have merit.

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Again, he's not a non-citizen. He meets the requirements for dual citizenship from birth, even if the Kenyan document is the real one.
But not to be POTUS.


Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

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Again, he's not a non-citizen. He meets the requirements for dual citizenship from birth, even if the Kenyan document is the real one.[/QUOTE]

But not to be POTUS.


Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
thats fucking done,why is this guy still in office?

he could be osama bush-ladin for all we know.

im just waiting for his big fuckup.hes so stupid we all know its coming.out with this guy.

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