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evacuation arrests start sept 1

just heard that starting sept. 1 if there is an evacuation and you dont leave "reasonable force" may and will be used against you and you will be arrested.

no longer can you be in charge of your life and sit the storm(or whatever) out.


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So is this a Federal or State thing? I've never heard about this so any news link would be great.

I understand where you are coming from but I also can relate to the governments side of this. Dumbasses that don't get the fuck out before a Hurricane hits are putting first responders at risk because a lot of these idiots have to be rescued by them. My sister is a paramedic and had to help rescue several people that didn't evacuate from the last hurricane that hit Florida.

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I found the article. Looks like a Texas state law.

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Yeah, I always thought they should be able to make it manditory and enforce it. Cause when you're drowning or something you'll want some rescuer to risk his/her life to save you.

Besides, I do not know many people who said their presence would've affected anything that could not have been started 2-3 days later.

Edit: I just happened to realize that this is needed more in in NO then in S Texas for sure.

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I'd prefer the government realize that maybe, just maybe, I'm an adult and know what staying put in an emergency means and leave me alone.
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I'd prefer the government realize that maybe, just maybe, I'm an adult and know what staying put in an emergency means and leave me alone.
Then at the same time you'll want someone to help you when you're about to drown or your house is collapsed on you. Right? Or you willing to just die?

If so, you're not the usual case.

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Got mixed feelings on this one.....

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Then at the same time you'll want someone to help you when you're about to drown or your house is collapsed on you. Right? Or you willing to just die?

If so, you're not the usual case.
Not everyone believes it is the government's job to take care of them...sadly they are the minority.

BS Law, I don't like it one bit. I don't think I would stay anyway, but I sure as hell don't want to be told what to do.

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I'm more than capable of taking care of myself, thanks.
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I'm more than capable of taking care of myself, thanks.

I'd like to believe that, but I find the ones that talk the most shit probably cry the most in times of disaster.

Now, if you mean you'll use common sense and get out of dodge when a cat 5 hurricane is rolling over your beach house - I can understand that. Otherwise you're a fool if you think you're tougher then mother nature and an even bigger one if you're claiming you won't need help from the government/medical personnel EVER during a disaster.

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BS Law, I don't like it one bit. I don't think I would stay anyway, but I sure as hell don't want to be told what to do.
You can blame the ones that don't and then cry racism and everything else as to why they were hurt or not helped...etc.

Personally, my goal would not to be stuck in that situation. Pretty sure I would not even need to be forced out.

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Personally, I am as equipped as I can be for a natural disaster. My home is built with steel beams throughout and brick facing. I have a steel roof as well as water, filters to purify more water, food, ammunition and a 4x4.

Stay the hell out of my yard. If a tornado hits, I'm not leaving. Worst case scenario, it hits dead center here and the house is destroyed, but I have the most stable house in the area. I don't look to the government to come help. Go help someone who doesn't have foresight somewhere else. Flooding? Not much I can do there but try to clean up the mess afterwards.

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They should just make it a law where if you order an evacuation, and you choose to stay. The government is not obligagted to help your dumb ass.

That is the correct way to set the law.

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I'm more than capable of taking care of myself, thanks.
Al, you also have more than enough sense to know when to get the fuck outta dodge.

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They should just make it a law where if you order an evacuation, and you choose to stay. The government is not obligagted to help your dumb ass.

That is the correct way to set the law.
I totally agree, however that isn't how it is going to work.

Lets say you stay behind and say "fuck it, I'm ready to die anyways" Then, in the middle of the storm, your nasty ass is being dragged out to see and some firefighters see you. Do you think they are just going to leave you be? No, they are going to risk life and limb to save your ass.

I'm with you on principal. I don't like the government telling me jack or shit. However, as a practical matter, I'm not so sure this law is a terrible idea. If you want to stay behind on you own, more power to you but the reality is that emergency responders WILL try to save you. It isn't just a job for them. It is their calling.

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I'd like to believe that, but I find the ones that talk the most shit probably cry the most in times of disaster.

Now, if you mean you'll use common sense and get out of dodge when a cat 5 hurricane is rolling over your beach house - I can understand that. Otherwise you're a fool if you think you're tougher then mother nature and an even bigger one if you're claiming you won't need help from the government/medical personnel EVER during a disaster.
All of that is irrelevent, if I want to stay in my own home, as an adult, I should be able to. I don't remember ever telling someone they had to come save me either. In fact, if you talk to the police it isn't their job to protect anyone. Same would go for medical personnel. Can I sue them if they DON'T show up? No, I can't.

So...net effect is...local government wants me to leave because I might need them but even if I do they have no obligation at all to help. In fact, odds are I wouldn't get any help.

This makes a lot of sense.
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Fair enough, in general and maybe you two are tough enough to deal with it. IMO, I'm bugging out before my family drowns or something. However, we're comparing Dallas to coastal places, but that's besides the point.

In general I would THINK that the DFW area would not fall under this law ever. No good reason to. I think it is intended more for the idiots along the coast.

Al P, you mention it is no one's job to help. The reality is that with the media they'll make someone else the fall guy for a citizen not being smart enough to know when to bail or not to bail. We all seen it with Katrina.

Also, it could be argued that it is the job of certain organizations to help people out when stuck. I just feel it is abused during hurricanes along the coast and that people should use more common sense.

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It does not matter if getting out of dodge is a good idea or not.

It's the choice that counts in a free society. And if you pass a law to make people do what "you" think is best for them, you have just removed another freedom from them, and moved them closer to socialism. I happen to prefer to live in a free land where men are real men, and not some pansy ass liberal, thinking the feds know best! And if I do die doing what I think is best, guess what, I died free. Besides, who the hell cares if I die?

And by the way, I'm one who will not leave unless I decide to leave. To prove a point, I stayed during hurricane Elaina in Mississippi in 85. As a matter of fact I was at a hurricane party. When the roof blew off, we moved the party to the bank parking garage across the street. And yes, this was incredibly stupid! But the point is, I chose to do it. I survived it, and I have the story to tell. And I did not have some liberal law, telling me I must do something I did not want to do. We did how ever have the L.E.O's come by and ask for our next of kin's name. That put a damper on the party............................ For about 2 seconds.



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It does not matter if getting out of dodge is a good idea or not.

It's the choice that counts in a free society. And if you pass a law to make people do what "you" think is best for them, you have just removed another freedom from them, and moved them closer to socialism. I happen to prefer to live in a free land where men are real men, and not some pansy ass liberal, thinking the feds know best! And if I do die doing what I think is best, guess what, I died free. Besides, who the hell cares if I die?

And by the way, I'm one who will not leave unless I decide to leave. To prove a point, I stayed during hurricane Elaina in Mississippi in 85. As a matter of fact I was at a hurricane party. When the roof blew off, we moved the party to the bank parking garage across the street. And yes, this was incredibly stupid! But the point is, I chose to do it. I survived it, and I have the story to tell. And I did not have some liberal law, telling me I must do something I did not want to do. We did how ever have the L.E.O's come by and ask for our next of kin's name. That put a damper on the party............................ For about 2 seconds.
In general a nice counter argument of the law.

Anyway, I was talking with a friend from Houston yesterday about this law. Lot of -ifs- that can make it okay but yeah as everyone always points out and that holds true..it starts with this. And what defines bad weather and WHO needs to move. I could see it eventually being weird.

Anyway, after talking with him and hearing stories about people being pretty much called dead by being asked to put their SSN on their bodies...etc I also agree this law could be considered bullshit.

I think, it should be made law (if it is not already) that the government can say "If you stay, assistance will be limited or not available until.... dd/mm/yyyy. We promise or guarantee nothing for your saftey and/or health and general well being."

That's that. As long as people have a clear understanding what they are risking and others are not expected/obligated to help, they should definetly have that choice. The media should just STFU about people being stuck when they had a choice.

This gets into people not having a choice...which for those without somewhere else to go, I find that BS too. It seems they always can find a ride when needed, government provided or not and there are always tons of shelters available.

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tell this to the folks dealing with the wild fires . there's always some dumbass that knows everything and he is the very one some poor rescue guy has to risk his life trying to get. and don't even tell me how tuff you are and how you'll put it out with your garden hose. there are times when stupidity has to be overcome with logic.

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If I want to stay and risk my life its my business. That being said if my dumbass gets iun trouble and needs help they dont have to come save me. You can thank all the NO dumbasses for this law

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They should just make it a law where if you order an evacuation, and you choose to stay. The government is not obligagted to help your dumb ass.

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I am mixed on this one really, I can see both sides, .... sending in helicopters to save ignorant scared people, is stupid, but like AL P said he can take care of himself. most of us can and when a storm is underestimated and there is no way out. then the gamble THAT person made to stay endangers others that are in for the rescue of ignorance.

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Exactly. The Federal Government has no right to overrule my stupidity on my property. If I want to stay in the face of a flood, tornado, hurricane, fire or meteor strike, it's my business.
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Sadly, this is just governing to the lowest denominator. They should have something saying that if an official evacuation is mandated, then there is NO GUARANTEE for rescue.
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I totally agree with the freedom to make a choice to stay.

I also agree with the belief that if you make such a decision the government has no duty to come save your ass when the waves start to break up your beach home since it would put first responders lives in extreme danger, moreso than what they signed up to do.
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I agree. Social darwinism. If you're good with where you are stay there. It could be a bit till government is reestablished. However, staying here without power is infininately better than being crammed in the Super Dome
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Sadly, this is just governing to the lowest denominator. They should have something saying that if an official evacuation is mandated, then there is NO GUARANTEE for rescue.
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My biggest problem with this is if they force an evacuation, they usually wait way to long to let people back in.

Not to mention, who says the government knows best on evacuation? Anyone remember a few years ago when there was a massive evacuation, people would go 1 mile in an hour? Then nothing happened...

I'm sorry for the most part I just don't agree with this law at all. I live on the west side of houston, and I'll be damned if I'm FORCED to evacuate.

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I totally agree with the freedom to make a choice to stay.

I also agree with the belief that if you make such a decision the government has no duty to come save your ass when the waves start to break up your beach home since it would put first responders lives in extreme danger, moreso than what they signed up to do.
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i don't agree with it at all myself.

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My biggest problem with this is if they force an evacuation, they usually wait way to long to let people back in.

Not to mention, who says the government knows best on evacuation? Anyone remember a few years ago when there was a massive evacuation, people would go 1 mile in an hour? Then nothing happened...

I'm sorry for the most part I just don't agree with this law at all. I live on the west side of houston, and I'll be damned if I'm FORCED to evacuate.
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