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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is set to sign into law an anti-smoking bill that will give the Food and Drug Administration unprecedented authority to regulate tobacco.

Obama is scheduled to sign the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act during an event Monday in the Rose Garden. The law allows the FDA to reduce nicotine in tobacco products, ban candy flavorings and block labels such "low tar" and "light." Tobacco companies also will be required to cover their cartons with large graphic warnings.

The law won't let the FDA ban nicotine or tobacco outright, but the agency will be able to regulate what goes into tobacco products, make public the ingredients and prohibit marketing campaigns, especially those geared toward children.

Anti-smoking advocates looked forward to the bill after years of attempts to control an industry so fundamental to the U.S. that carved tobacco leaves adorn some parts of the Capitol.

Opponents from tobacco-growing states like top-producing North Carolina argued that the FDA has proved through a series of food safety failures that it's not up to the job. They also said that instead of unrealistically trying to get smokers to quit or to prevent others from starting, lawmakers should ensure that people have other options, like smokeless tobacco.

As president, George W. Bush opposed the legislation and threatened a veto after it passed the House last year. The Obama administration, by contrast, issued a statement declaring strong support for the measure.

Obama has spoken publicly of his own struggles to quit cigarettes.
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Wonder where they will come when all those tobacco generated tax dollars evaporate?

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God damnit. If I want to smoke a nasty ass poisonous cigarette, that is my fucking right. I dont need some pole smoker from Washington trying to look out for my best interest.......I got this.

Same goes for the health insurance BS.


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Notice the part in red. Another way for big brother to control your life.

The law won't let the FDA ban nicotine or tobacco outright, but the agency will be able to regulate what goes into tobacco products, make public the ingredients and prohibit marketing campaigns, especially those geared toward children.

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God damnit. If I want to smoke a nasty ass poisonous cigarette, that is my fucking right. I dont need some pole smoker from Washington trying to look out for my best interest.......I got this.

Same goes for the health insurance BS.


Fuck Obama dead off in his ass, and all his fucking cronies.
agreed, if they agree to purchase the product they must already know the risk.

There is a movie on comedy central kinda like this called 'Thank you for smoking'

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How hypocritical of him.


For those of you thay haven't noticed the obvious - Obama is a smoker.
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Doesn't apply to him or the politicians. They'll import
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How hypocritical of him.


For those of you thay haven't noticed the obvious - Obama is a smoker.
Thanks for bringing the last line of the article home for everyone!

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agreed, if they agree to purchase the product they must already know the risk.

There is a movie on comedy central kinda like this called 'Thank you for smoking'
There's also a movie on DVD that was in theaters with the same name. I suggest you get that version instead of watching it on comedy central.
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Wonder where they will come when all those tobacco generated tax dollars evaporate?
The law of unintended consequences is about to come into play here. When the tax revenue drops off they'll have to find another source. My guess? Alcohol will take the hit.
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The law of unintended consequences is about to come into play here. When the tax revenue drops off they'll have to find another source. My guess? Alcohol will take the hit.
Alcohol or white men.

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I don't smoke and I think it's a nasty habit, but it's an individual's choice. This is horseshit.
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How hypocritical of him.


For those of you thay haven't noticed the obvious - Obama is a smoker.
Pffft, he's trying to quit. What better way than to make it illegal?
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There's also a movie on DVD that was in theaters with the same name. I suggest you get that version instead of watching it on comedy central.
There's even a book written before the movie came out with the same name. I suggest you read it if you want the best of the 3 versions.


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I'll offer some counter points for discussion.

1) I agree that people should have the option to choose whether or not to smoke/buy cigarettes. I also agree that labels should be marked much more clearly as to what they contain.

2) People should crack down on minors with tobacco and those selling it to them. That's an even bigger problem (same for alcohol).

3) I believe the government does have a say so about regulating smoking -- to an extent. How many smokers that eventually draw medicare/medicaid will have medical bills paid where treatment is provided because of a smoking related illness? Want to sign away your right to receive tax dollars in the form of medicare/medicaid, then smoke away.

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Manufacturers will be required to place expanded warning labels on their products and to provide the government with more detailed information about cigarette contents and smoking by-products. The law also bars flavored cigarettes — save for menthol. As the Wall Street Journal reported, “Menthol cigarettes are initially exempt from the ban because of demands from the Congressional Black Caucus. About 75 percent of African-American smokers buy menthol brands.” The leading maker of menthols is Philip Morris.

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I've always thought they should make cigs as cheap as possible so all those stupid enough to smoke can die sooner, and thus help keep the population down. So i oppose this bill.

But er, wait a minute. Big tobacco has big money. Don't big money buy big breaks? This is kinda strange and against the norm. If they put big tobacco out of business one day, they are killing a good source of income for the government, aren't they? Typically, they would rather die first. Big oil, big auto, big anything gets big breaks. So wtf?
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I'll offer some counter points for discussion.

1) I agree that people should have the option to choose whether or not to smoke/buy cigarettes. I also agree that labels should be marked much more clearly as to what they contain.

2) People should crack down on minors with tobacco and those selling it to them. That's an even bigger problem (same for alcohol).

3) I believe the government does have a say so about regulating smoking -- to an extent. How many smokers that eventually draw medicare/medicaid will have medical bills paid where treatment is provided because of a smoking related illness? Want to sign away your right to receive tax dollars in the form of medicare/medicaid, then smoke away.
1. agree
2. agree
3.Now you might as well let the goverment tell you what you can eat and start handing out fines when you don't meet the weekly government requirements for exercise. What are they going to do outlaw the use of salt because too much is bad for you and it could burden the healthcare system?This just opens the door for more government intrusion.
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I'll offer some counter points for discussion.

3) I believe the government does have a say so about regulating smoking -- to an extent. How many smokers that eventually draw medicare/medicaid will have medical bills paid where treatment is provided because of a smoking related illness? Want to sign away your right to receive tax dollars in the form of medicare/medicaid, then smoke away.
Obama just called and you are only allowed to take a shit from 10:01 to 10:07 the second Wednesday of the month.

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I'll offer some counter points for discussion.
You're #3 allows 10001 holes to be punched through and I think you probably know that.

For example...

Should allow the government to make us all ride bicycles since the fumes can make us sick.

Should allow the government to only feed us corn and wheat bread since other foods can cause all sorts of sicknesses.

Should allow the government to manage our money fully since that is stressful.

etc...etc..etc. I really agree with #2 as #1 any smoker knows. They know damned well. I'm also against the cig companies playing off the dangers as well. Don't sugar coat it.

I'm an ex-smoker that is all about support smoking and a business' right to choose when to ban it or not ban it. That should not be the government's choice.

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Fuck cigarettes.......get the gas shit under $2 a fucking gallon!!!!!!
Could be argued somewhat that gas costs could go up more. w/o smoking taxes cause people quiting...etc, they have to rob you another way.

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Obama just called and you are only allowed to take a shit from 10:01 to 10:07 the second Wednesday of the month.

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Some people just don't get it. I'm not 5yrs old I do not need the government to tell me how to live my life. If I don't really care to live to be 105 yrs old and have somebody wipe my ass for me then so be it. You people are going to end up like chickens at a big commercial chicken farm. Sure thay feed you good and make sure you are humanely treated but they control every aspect of your life. I'd rather be a free range chicken.
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wow obama is really lookin out for folks! its to be expected that he will do the exact opposite of what Bush did. Im sure he lit up a swisha sweet after signing the bill... I would like to thank all of you who voted this fucking clown into office! I dont buy many cigarettes so i dont give a fuck what the guy does. He will be gone in a few years once everyone realizes he's full of empty promises.

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You're #3 allows 10001 holes to be punched through and I think you probably know that.

For example...

Should allow the government to make us all ride bicycles since the fumes can make us sick.

Should allow the government to only feed us corn and wheat bread since other foods can cause all sorts of sicknesses.

Should allow the government to manage our money fully since that is stressful.

etc...etc..etc. I really agree with #2 as #1 any smoker knows. They know damned well. I'm also against the cig companies playing off the dangers as well. Don't sugar coat it.

I'm an ex-smoker that is all about support smoking and a business' right to choose when to ban it or not ban it. That should not be the government's choice.
I can understand your reasoning here: You let em take an inch, they'll take a mile. But isn't there some other way to change things without them taking us all over like a bunch of Nazis? There is a limit here. Basically we all have to suffer cause someone knowingly and willingly actively poisoned themselves their whole lives. Well i say tough shit, your dumbass should not have done that. Your fucked. You made your bed now lie in it. That's life. And im not entirely sure that just cause they say that if you did drugs or smoked you cant get healthcare, that would automatically mean that they are going to start telling us what we have to eat. Maybe your right. I'll admit that. But if your not, then nothing ever gets to change for the better.
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I'll offer some counter points for discussion.

1) I agree that people should have the option to choose whether or not to smoke/buy cigarettes. I also agree that labels should be marked much more clearly as to what they contain.

2) People should crack down on minors with tobacco and those selling it to them. That's an even bigger problem (same for alcohol).

3) I believe the government does have a say so about regulating smoking -- to an extent. How many smokers that eventually draw medicare/medicaid will have medical bills paid where treatment is provided because of a smoking related illness? Want to sign away your right to receive tax dollars in the form of medicare/medicaid, then smoke away.
#3 - If they are taking my tax dollars, then I expect to receive the care from medicaid/whatever that I am due. I am happy to not pay taxes and wing it on my own.

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You're #3 allows 10001 holes to be punched through and I think you probably know that.

For example...

Should allow the government to make us all ride bicycles since the fumes can make us sick.

Should allow the government to only feed us corn and wheat bread since other foods can cause all sorts of sicknesses.

Should allow the government to manage our money fully since that is stressful.

etc...etc..etc. I really agree with #2 as #1 any smoker knows. They know damned well. I'm also against the cig companies playing off the dangers as well. Don't sugar coat it.

I'm an ex-smoker that is all about support smoking and a business' right to choose when to ban it or not ban it. That should not be the government's choice.
I agree, but I don't have an answer. I was just throwing it out for discussion. All of us could live a bit healthier, and I'm not sure how we effectively tie medicare/medicaid payouts to lifestyle. I just don't think it's very fair at all for someone who is a heavy smoker for 30-40 years and has major health bills to have them paid in full with our tax dollars. I have no problem with our money going towards lung replacement for someone who had a lung expire naturally. I have issues with it being the result of 30 years of smokeing. Maybe the answer is to have the tobacco companies fund health care (medicare/medicaid). I wish I had an answer.

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Thanks for missing the point with another ridiculous exaggeration. I guess it doesn't bother you to support paying health bills for someone who's health is bad because they knowingly smoked for a long time. I'm surprised you think this is a good use of tax dollars.

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The law of unintended consequences is about to come into play here. When the tax revenue drops off they'll have to find another source. My guess? Alcohol will take the hit.
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I agree, but I don't have an answer. I was just throwing it out for discussion. All of us could live a bit healthier, and I'm not sure how we effectively tie medicare/medicaid payouts to lifestyle. I just don't think it's very fair at all for someone who is a heavy smoker for 30-40 years and has major health bills to have them paid in full with our tax dollars. I have no problem with our money going towards lung replacement for someone who had a lung expire naturally. I have issues with it being the result of 30 years of smokeing. Maybe the answer is to have the tobacco companies fund health care (medicare/medicaid). I wish I had an answer.
This is one of those retarded things that have no good answer.

A welfare goon who has smoked 40 years is one thing.

A hard working individual who in general gave more to society and improved America is a different story in my opinion.

Do I think people who work hard should be treated differently then mooches? Yup. Unfortunately, it seems to work completely opposite the way *I* would do it. As-in, hard working people would get better treatment. I'll stop, that's another thread...

I think a person who has busted his/her ass to support their family should be able to smoke and have some beers w/o being crapped on when they get older. Hell, in general they paid their taxes and are somewhat entitled to that with the way things are currently run.

I guess what I'm thinking is that at this point, we have much bigger mooches to society to worry about the working smokers. Fix welfare and other issues before worrying about a relatively small problem like this one. Heck, for the working class - they'll typically have insurance to cover most of the burden for most of their lives. Just gotta worry about shouldering the years towards the end, which is a crap shoot anyway.

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Thanks for missing the point with another ridiculous exaggeration. I guess it doesn't bother you to support paying health bills for someone who's health is bad because they knowingly smoked for a long time. I'm surprised you think this is a good use of tax dollars.
Well, I agree with you except for the fact that they paid into the system. Maybe you don't pay for smoking-related issues, that I understand.

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Well, I agree with you except for the fact that they paid into the system. Maybe you don't pay for smoking-related issues, that I understand.
Yeah, they should be entitled to something, but I don't know how to determine how much. I don't know how or where to draw the line which probably explains why there isn't one.

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Yeah, they should be entitled to something, but I don't know how to determine how much. I don't know how or where to draw the line which probably explains why there isn't one.
Not to mention figuring out what is a smoking illness compared to just normal old people illness.

Why does everything relaxing/fun have to be bad for ya or illegal?

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Not to mention figuring out what is a smoking illness compared to just normal old people illness.

Why does everything relaxing/fun have to be bad for ya or illegal?
Just remember...I smoked, but I didn't inhale. If you remember that, you'll always be eligible for benefits. LOL

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Just remember...I smoked, but I didn't inhale. If you remember that, you'll always be eligible for benefits. LOL
haha, fair enough. What would a governmnet program be without loopholes?

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I want to know if he smokes on Air Force 1?
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Thanks for missing the point with another ridiculous exaggeration. I guess it doesn't bother you to support paying health bills for someone who's health is bad because they knowingly smoked for a long time. I'm surprised you think this is a good use of tax dollars.

My dad died December 13th, 2007 due, in large part, to a lifetime of smoking. The last few years of his life probably hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars were exhausted trying to save his life. The doc said numerous times to stop smoking and he never did. So he died. Did I agree with wasting hundreds of thousands of tax dollars to save his life? No. Had he stopped smoking maybe, but since he wouldn't, no. Hell, I was looking at his pics just yesterday, as well as those of my little bro who died nine months later. Damn but I wish they were here...


As for the government in general and their wasting of our tax dollars, I feel that at least 80% (WAG) of the programs in place are wasteful and feel that if we were to reduce the dole to ONLY those physically or mentally unable to work we would all be much happier and much more able to live a comfortable life free-er from governmental control.

LESS government IS GOOD, MORE government IS BAD. Simple concept really and why the left can't see that is beyond me...
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I want to know if he smokes on Air Force 1?


You bet your ass he does. Probably throws the butts down and grinds them into the carpet while saying "Fuck you, you cracka ass motha fuckas"...
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Well, it's been signed...

I don't agree with this at all. Like said above, I believe people should have the right to smoke which cigarettes they would like. If they know the dangers and still do it, it's up to them, it's their body.

Is fast food next?

I was talking to my roommate about this and he says he didn't care, he doesn't smoke anyways. I asked him what if he banned something he liked, like video games, and he said that would never happen. Hm
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Well, it's been signed...

I don't agree with this at all. Like said above, I believe people should have the right to smoke which cigarettes they would like. If they know the dangers and still do it, it's up to them, it's their body.

Is fast food next?

I was talking to my roommate about this and he says he didn't care, he doesn't smoke anyways. I asked him what if he banned something he liked, like video games, and he said that would never happen. Hm
Just another way for the government to tell YOU whats RIGHT and WRONG for YOU.

By the way, I would definitely like to see something with the fast food industry. If that is going to be 75% of our countries intake, then that shit needs to be monitored.
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Just another way for the government to tell YOU whats RIGHT and WRONG for YOU.

By the way, I would definitely like to see something with the fast food industry. If that is going to be 75% of our countries intake, then that shit needs to be monitored.
I somewhat agree on this point, but I don't think anything needs to be banned.

Perhaps a reduction in taxes, or something of that nature to those who wish to start up a healthier fast food joint. I mean when it comes to fast food, there aren't that many healthy items. It would be nice to have a place dedicated to healthier foods.

Instead of a dollar menu, have a menu that's based on calorie categories.
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I mean when it comes to fast food, there aren't that many healthy items. It would be nice to have a place dedicated to healthier foods.
There are actually a lot of places that are healthier fast food joints. There's just not very many around here. Jason's Deli, is about all we see around here. Sure, there are little mom and pop places, but they don't last long. You'd be shocked at the healthier alternatives in places like California. Let's face it. We're in TX. We like our steak and potatoes. Oh, and of course Tex Mex.


Healthy fast food joints just don't survive here. There isn't enough of a market to support them.
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3) I believe the government does have a say so about regulating smoking -- to an extent. How many smokers that eventually draw medicare/medicaid will have medical bills paid where treatment is provided because of a smoking related illness? Want to sign away your right to receive tax dollars in the form of medicare/medicaid, then smoke away.
If you use this logic then the government should have the right to regulate everything we do once we have socialized medicine.

Fact is that medicare/medicaid was put in place while a lot of people smoked, if this argument was to be made, that time was the time to do it. Using this as another way to expand government control on private industry is bullshit.
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There are actually a lot of places that are healthier fast food joints. There's just not very many around here. Jason's Deli, is about all we see around here. Sure, there are little mom and pop places, but they don't last long. You'd be shocked at the healthier alternatives in places like California. Let's face it. We're in TX. We like our steak and potatoes. Oh, and of course Tex Mex.


Healthy fast food joints just don't survive here. There isn't enough of a market to support them.
We are addicted to fast food. Plain and simple. Hell, I don't even remember the last day when I didn't have fast food. That is really my fault and I own up to it. I even feel guilty sometimes. But like you said, theres not much else out there.

I guess it should be as simple as taking your lunch with you to work. Or just taking the time to cook a meal at home. But things never work out that way.

It is sad to see we probably need regulation on ourselves on what we should and shouldn't eat, just for the simple fact we can't regulate ourselves. KIND OF LIKE THE BANKS!!
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We are addicted to fast food. Plain and simple. Hell, I don't even remember the last day when I didn't have fast food. That is really my fault and I own up to it. I even feel guilty sometimes. But like you said, theres not much else out there.

I guess it should be as simple as taking your lunch with you to work. Or just taking the time to cook a meal at home. But things never work out that way.

It is sad to see we probably need regulation on ourselves on what we should and shouldn't eat, just for the simple fact we can't regulate ourselves. KIND OF LIKE THE BANKS!!
Well, what if fast food were not allowed to sell all that harmful crap? They made em take out MSG's, right? Ok so that's not a bad thing. It hurts people. The fast food industry will survive, and even thrive, without MSG's. So that was a case where the government actually helped the people. I don't want to be sold food that is slowly poisoning me. So that law, passed to regulate an industry, is ok by me. Could there be a few more that would improve the overall healthiness of the food? They did away with like.. hell I don't know maybe it was lard for frying. Made em use vegitable oil, right? It's a lot better for you. Well now, they have something that is even better for you than the vegitable oil. Can't remember the name of it. Maybe they should make fast food use that?
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Or, we could keep government limited and go for fast food taht is healthy. The reason these companies do well is because we buy it. Stop asking for government intervention and vote with your wallet
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The law of unintended consequences is about to come into play here. When the tax revenue drops off they'll have to find another source. My guess? Alcohol will take the hit.
This is exactly right. The freaking liberals always have the law of unintended consequences come and bite them in the ass. This time it may affect all of us, not just them. I am very anti-smoking, but would never advocate outlawing it outright.

I am reminded oif the liberals who sued each other over redwoods blocking another idiots solar panels. The judge ordered the redwoods cut down so the next door neighbors solar panels could save the planet. LMAO!

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i predict that loose tobacco and rolling supplies for smoking to be on the rise!!!!

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I am reminded oif the liberals who sued each other over redwoods blocking another idiots solar panels. The judge ordered the redwoods cut down so the next door neighbors solar panels could save the planet. LMAO!
That judge was quite obviously a complete fucking moron. And the solar libtard should have done a 1 year sentence for being stupid. The trees were there first, so he should have found somewhere else to put them. You would never convince a judge here to make you cut down your trees, cause of some apparatus the jerkoff neighbor put in.
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