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The Texas state Senate voted Monday to give federal, state and local authorities the ability to track and identify every passing vehicle on state highways. The provision calling for "automatic license plate identification cameras" was slipped into the Senate version of the must-pass Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) reauthorization bill. The provision was not part of the bill introduced in the state House of Representatives, whose less sympathetic members will have to accept or reject the entire 1274-page compromise hammered out by a conference committee. The House voted yesterday to instruct its conferees to insist that the House-passed ban on red light cameras remain in the final text.

The Senate's surveillance camera proposal promises taxpayer funds to the same private companies that operate photo radar and red light camera systems threatened by the House bill. License plate readers use the same basic technology as automated ticketing machines. Instead of tracking, for example, only those who exceed a certain speed threshold, the plate readers will store a video image of the front passenger compartment and rear license plate of every single passing vehicle. Optical character recognition software identifies the registered vehicle owner and allows for easy indexing of the time and location of travel for each person identified using the highway.

The Senate-passed bill gives police broad authority for the first time to use this information to prosecute any state or federal crime, as long as it is not a traffic violation "punishable by fine only." The bill also specifies that the cameras may be used to find suspects in amber alert cases, missing senior citizens and those accused of killing a police officer. The capability to search for suspects is exactly what troubles one civil rights group.


"Proponents will argue the readers are looking for bad guys –– drug smugglers and other criminals –– but the cameras cannot distinguish between your SUV and a drug smuggler's SUV," the Texas branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said in a statement. "The readers are technology and as with any technology, they have a tendency to make errors. In this case, the implications are traffic stops of drivers misidentified as suspects wanted for serious crimes."

In some cases, those errors can turn deadly. On May 19, 2008 a Northumbria, UK police officer received an Automated Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) alert about a passing Renault Megane automobile. Believing the vehicle could be driven by a dangerous criminal, the officer began following the Renault and hit speeds of 94 MPH in a residential neighborhood without using his siren. After cresting a hill, the police Volvo slammed into and killed sixteen-year-old pedestrian Hayley Adamson who did not see the police car coming. It turns out the database was wrong and the driver being chased was completely innocent. (View video of the incident up to the moment of the crash).

British authorities have been using ANPR for several years, working to centralize ANPR data to allow police to keep tabs on criminals and political opponents. A data center in North London offers real-time, nationwide tracking capability. Australian and American red light camera companies hope to offer the same centralized tracking services in the US.

The license plate provision attached to the TxDOT sunset bill passed the full Senate last month without debate as Senate Bill 1426. The language was drafted by state Senator Tommy Williams (R-The Woodlands). View the full text of the surveillance camera provision in a 90k PDF file at the source link below.


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more big brother control and lies to get it put in place.

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I'm about as anti big brother as it gets, but IF they were to actually ONLY use it to track real criminals, it sounds pretty decent.

I see those amber alert signs on the side of the road, and my heart just aches for the families... I know I know... "won't somebody think of the children!??!?!"

I realize corruption comes with the package, but if it were actually used to track violent criminals, that would be a pretty slick setup.
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I'm about as anti big brother as it gets, but IF they were to actually ONLY use it to track real criminals, it sounds pretty decent.

I see those amber alert signs on the side of the road, and my heart just aches for the families... I know I know... "won't somebody think of the children!??!?!"

I realize corruption comes with the package, but if it were actually used to track violent criminals, that would be a pretty slick setup.
It won't.

On a different note, gee, I can't figure out why the government is broke, it probably has nothing to do with these laws passed by special interest lobbies in an attempt to fill their pockets. Shit like this makes me want to move to South America.
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I'm about as anti big brother as it gets, but IF they were to actually ONLY use it to track real criminals, it sounds pretty decent.

I see those amber alert signs on the side of the road, and my heart just aches for the families... I know I know... "won't somebody think of the children!??!?!"

I realize corruption comes with the package, but if it were actually used to track violent criminals, that would be a pretty slick setup.
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It won't.
I agree. It won't have near the affect they think it will and it won't be long until they start finding reasons to use it for other purposes.

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In 5 years, they'll use it to issue speeding tickets. "From point "A" to point "B" should take "X" amount of time. According to our camera's and GPS, you made it too fast. Please remit your $200 payment to Texas DPS".

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in 5 years, they'll use it to issue speeding tickets. "from point "a" to point "b" should take "x" amount of time. According to our camera's and gps, you made it too fast. Please remit your $200 payment to texas dps".
yup! No need to put gps in your car if they have camera everywhere to track you.

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it's bullshit. It's no different than the speed cameras in England. There are web sites showing where they are and you either avoid those areas, or just slow down at them. Hell, the escort radar detectors even have GPS in them now to warn you about speed camera locations.

It's a waste of fucking money because the politicians get told it's a good idea, without ever researching if it is defeatable or works worth a shit.



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I guess i may have to paint the SVO from the couple gallons of radar deterent paint i have

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I guess i may have to paint the SVO from the couple gallons of radar deterent paint i have

When are they going to produce stealth cars???? I'm sick of big brother constantly watching me........
Shit...with Barry running GM, those cars will be full of "Big Brother".

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I'm about as anti big brother as it gets, but IF they were to actually ONLY use it to track real criminals, it sounds pretty decent.
For now...
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In 5 years, they'll use it to issue speeding tickets. "From point "A" to point "B" should take "X" amount of time. According to our camera's and GPS, you made it too fast. Please remit your $200 payment to Texas DPS".
In Kansas, when I35 turns into a toll road just across the state line, you have to get a time stamped ticket like at DFW Airport and pay where you get off...e.g. Wichita, Topeka. As I was going down the road at 85 in the middle of the night, it dawned on me that it wouln't take more than a 4th grade education to look at the ticket and tell I was speeding. My buddy's dad who lives there, says that there is a pending state bill to issue tickets at the booths.
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In Kansas, when I35 turns into a toll road just across the state line, you have to get a time stamped ticket like at DFW Airport and pay where you get off...e.g. Wichita, Topeka. As I was going down the road at 85 in the middle of the night, it dawned on me that it wouln't take more than a 4th grade education to look at the ticket and tell I was speeding. My buddy's dad who lives there, says that there is a pending state bill to issue tickets at the booths.
Now that's fucking bullshit.

Call Kansas' congressman! We dont need a precedent like that set so other States might consider it.
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I guess i may have to paint the SVO from the couple gallons of radar deterent paint i have

When are they going to produce stealth cars???? I'm sick of big brother constantly watching me........
That reminds me of an old consistent rumor that ran around while I was in the Navy....

Rumor had it, that at some point outside NAS Oceana (VA Beach Naval Air Station), some crazy avionics guy somehow managed to stick an almost complete, working EW Jamming package into his van and thus proceeded to wipe out every radar device within a mile of the route he was driving, as well as a lot of unprotected electronic equipment near the road... taking out radar guns from speed traps, playing hell with police\emergency radios, telecom pedestals, all the way up to taking out the little door sensors at the mall close to the street.

The whole thought process of what it would take to remove, install, hide, and power something like that in a van is mind numbing, as well as the insane dangers of irradiating yourself when blasting away EM radiation at that magnitude.

For me, I think its a military nerd story... but I guess you never know... LOL

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That reminds me of an old consistent rumor that ran around while I was in the Navy....

Rumor had it, that at some point outside NAS Oceana (VA Beach Naval Air Station), some crazy avionics guy somehow managed to stick an almost complete, working EW Jamming package into his van and thus proceeded to wipe out every radar device within a mile of the route he was driving, as well as a lot of unprotected electronic equipment near the road... taking out radar guns from speed traps, playing hell with police\emergency radios, telecom pedestals, all the way up to taking out the little door sensors at the mall close to the street.

The whole thought process of what it would take to remove, install, hide, and power something like that in a van is mind numbing, as well as the insane dangers of irradiating yourself when blasting away EM radiation at that magnitude.

For me, I think its a military nerd story... but I guess you never know... LOL
Wouldnt that van have been like sitting in a microwave?

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Wouldnt that van have been like sitting in a microwave?
Exactly my point...

It IS possible to direct the energy in a specific direction.... but considering the effect of being in such a close proximity to the large magnetic field generated as well as the "side lobe" effect from the EM Energy generated and broadcast..... You would think the dude would come out bald, sterile, and blind....

That's why I tend to think its BS... Funny story none the less... LOL

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get the set up in place to monitor your mileage once the carbon tax is in place?

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Exactly my point...

It IS possible to direct the energy in a specific direction.... but considering the effect of being in such a close proximity to the large magnetic field generated as well as the "side lobe" effect from the EM Energy generated and broadcast..... You would think the dude would come out bald, sterile, and blind....

That's why I tend to think its BS... Funny story none the less... LOL
Perhaps using it directed but in short spurts. If you know the location of the equipment you wouldn't need but a small burst.

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What can I do to my license plate so they can't view/read it?
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get the set up in place to monitor your mileage once the carbon tax is in place?
We have a winner folks. Hidden agenda's is the governments forte.

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What can I do to my license plate so they can't view/read it?
Don't drive.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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Now that's fucking bullshit.

Call Kansas' congressman! We dont need a precedent like that set so other States might consider it.
Every time I go through a tolltag location I have wondered if the people speeding get tickets sent to them. I try not to go through the "reader" section above the speed limit but some people blow through them at 80+. It is only a matter of time before they put radars next to the reader and send people tickets I bet.

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Need someone to start cutting down the cameras. Has this POS made it to Perry yet?

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Need someone to start cutting down the cameras. Has this POS made it to Perry yet?
Yep. Rick Perry has been spotted at Bilderburg meetings. He's owned by the elite and shouldn't be trusted.

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X2, You got that right!!!

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Of course, this doesn't suprise me. If you take the Dallas Tollway to Hwy 380 shortly before you exit for hwy 380 there's like 5 cameras on a street light over the tollway. I wondered wtf those were for?? Not toll booths by it either

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Every time I go through a tolltag location I have wondered if the people speeding get tickets sent to them. I try not to go through the "reader" section above the speed limit but some people blow through them at 80+. It is only a matter of time before they put radars next to the reader and send people tickets I bet.

True, only a matter of time. It doesn't help that they lower the speed limit at the toll booths to a very low speed that would get you killed if you were abide by it. Then again, the NTTA has never set the speed limits according to state law.
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Of course, this doesn't suprise me. If you take the Dallas Tollway to Hwy 380 shortly before you exit for hwy 380 there's like 5 cameras on a street light over the tollway. I wondered wtf those were for?? Not toll booths by it either


lmao... Traffic cameras man, traffic cameras. You know... So they can tell the flow of traffic, where the accidents are, etc.
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Every time I go through a tolltag location I have wondered if the people speeding get tickets sent to them. I try not to go through the "reader" section above the speed limit but some people blow through them at 80+. It is only a matter of time before they put radars next to the reader and send people tickets I bet.


DPS must be reading the board. They were just past an off ramp tollbooth on GB the other day shooting people as they came through the booth. My V1 saved me...
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DPS must be reading the board. They were just past an off ramp tollbooth on GB the other day shooting people as they came through the booth. My V1 saved me...

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"to allow police to keep tabs on criminals and political opponents." Didn't we just have a thread discussing how many of us are considered political opponents because we don't like illegal immigration, gun control, etc? To me, this says they plan on using it to track anybody they deem worth tracking. I certainly don't like that idea.
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