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No more American Flag hanging???

I didn't see this on the first page, which is where I figured/hoped it would be if it had been posted, so if its a repost, I think its worth it. It enrages me to see this actually happen.

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Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

MANSFIELD (CBS 11 News) ―

Is it okay to show your patriotism at the office?

For one Arlington woman, the answer was "no" after she hung an American flag in her office just before the Memorial Day weekend.

Debbie McLucas is one of four hospital supervisors at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield. Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors.

When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.

McLucas' husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.

Stifling a cry, McLucas said, "I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing."

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie's flag herself.

"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.

"I was told it wouldn't matter if it was only one person," she said. "It would have to come down."

McLucas said hospital bosses told her as far as patriotism was concerned, the flag flying outside the hospital building would have to suffice.

Kindred Hospital Corporate Headquarters are located in Kentucky. They have yet to make a final decision on the matter. They have not returned our phone calls for comment.

The Kindred Hospital Corporation was chosen as Fortune's most admired for 2009. McLucas hopes they'll back her patriotism.

"I find it very frightening because if I can't display my flag, what other freedoms will I lose before all is said and done," McLucas asked.

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That's wrong on many levels. The hospital administrator needs to grow a spine and recognize what that flag symbolizes. One can just guess at the nationality of the persons making the complaints.

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What is this country coming to? I put one in the bed of my truck on Memorial day and the 4th and drive around with it. wonder if they'll pull me over and tell me to take it out next time i do it? and what the fuck they come over here from another country and have OUR flag taken down because it's offensive to them? Why dont you go back to your country if you dont like my flag.
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In my opinion, if you live here and you don't like the fact that some people like to show their patriotism than leave. No one is stopping you. Last time I checked this was the USA and the people of America have the right to hang a flag. Why do we roll over and give any time some asshole from a forign country comes here and is ofended by an American custom.
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That just down right infuriates me. My brother, a US Marine, fought in Iraq. My husband, US Army, fought in Iraq as well. Both of them tell me the horrors that happend while they were there, and how proud they are to be AMERICAN. Why are the soldiers fighting for our freedom, if we cant even display our pride for our nation. Fuck that.
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What is this country coming to?

It's turning into what we as a society make of it. There have been so many wars to ensure our freedom and liberties... and this is how they spend that luxury. makes me sick

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. makes me sick
Me to, i dont even like reading the news anymore because of crap like this, makes me mad, depressed, and well sick to my stomach also. Being in the military and coming from a family that everyone joins and has fought in all those wars makes me think what the hell for, sometimes.
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In my opinion, if you live here and you don't like the fact that some people like to show their patriotism than leave. No one is stopping you. Last time I checked this was the USA and the people of America have the right to hang a flag. Why do we roll over and give any time some asshole from a forign country comes here and is ofended by an American custom.
Why would they leave? Once they realize, thanks to the liberals that they are not responsible for their actions and they can basically shit on America and everything it stands for then why leave. Do you think she would have pulled something like that when she first got here. Hell no. Something or someone and basically the whole attitude in this country Im starting to see more and more is starting to influence her as well as others like her to do what ever in the hell they want.
Immigrants will soon overpopulate the american born citizens and unless something changes. This continuous downward spiral of irresponsibility will completely dismantle America as we know it. I do believe that within 50 years America will be no longer. This country is still young in comparison and it needs another kick in the ass. Revolution anyone?
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makes me think what the hell for, sometimes.

it's so assholes, like the one in the article, can abuse the rights people died to give them.. duh! It's their 1st amendment right, their 2nd amendment right, blah blah blah blah... most people just use those "amendments" to twist em how they see fit, to suit whatever fucked up purpose they think they're serving.


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I swear to God that if I had a place big enough to put up a flag at work, and someone tried to take it down - I'd break their fucking hands.

All the places I was overseas I never ONCE considered complaining about my host country's flags flying. It's just retarded. Holy fuck I'd be violent.

Shit like this and the other thread with the asshole bikers blocking highways DO spin me up. God help anyone blocking my progress to a hospital or something and also anyone touching my flags.

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It's their 1st amendment right to shit on our country/heritage? I wish someone would tell me to take my flag down from my desk, or better yet do it and put it on the floor when im not here. I would be pissed and have a few choice words with whomever the person was.


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Dont worry me too, makes me want to make a trip to Mansfield and have a little chat with this individual.
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I swear to God that if I had a place big enough to put up a flag at work, and someone tried to take it down - I'd break their fucking hands.

All the places I was overseas I never ONCE considered complaining about my host country's flags flying. It's just retarded. Holy fuck I'd be violent.

Shit like this and the other thread with the asshole bikers blocking highways DO spin me up. God help anyone blocking my progress to a hospital or something and also anyone touching my flags.
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As a Veteran, I don't know exactly how I would react if something like that happened to me. I'm not 100% sure that I would be able to contain the rage that it would cause. I think there would be a good chance that I would lose my job over the ass kicking that would take place shortly after being asked to remove a US Flag from my desk..

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How can any person that has come to this country to enjoy the freedoms we grant here be offended by the ultimate symbol of that freedom on the day that we honor the patriots that fought and died for those freedoms? Why do we continue to let people such as this dictate policy? I am now sadened and at a loss for words....




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As a Veteran, I don't know exactly how I would react if something like that happened to me. I'm not 100% sure that I would be able to contain the rage that it would cause. I think there would be a good chance that I would lose my job over the ass kicking that would take place shortly after being asked to remove a US Flag from my desk..

There is some shit I simply will not stand for.
Yeah man, I usually back off a lot of things to maintain my job. This is one thing I'd not be able to deal with professionally. It would rate up there with raping the wife. Although, it would not be gun shot worthy as raping the wife would be...just below that line though.

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Why would they leave? Once they realize, thanks to the liberals that they are not responsible for their actions and they can basically shit on America and everything it stands for then why leave. Do you think she would have pulled something like that when she first got here. Hell no. Something or someone and basically the whole attitude in this country Im starting to see more and more is starting to influence her as well as others like her to do what ever in the hell they want.
Immigrants will soon overpopulate the american born citizens and unless something changes. This continuous downward spiral of irresponsibility will completely dismantle America as we know it. I do believe that within 50 years America will be no longer. This country is still young in comparison and it needs another kick in the ass. Revolution anyone?
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that lady should hang an African flag in her office and see what that other person says about it. would be interesting to see what is said/done.

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I am American w/Mexican decent. I have served in the Marine Corps. It pisses me off when something like this happens. My belief for hispanics is if you want to hang the flag of your nation (mexico, cuba, puerto rico, etc.) you need to hang the American flag right next to it. I know people love the countries they come from but they are in the U.S. for a reason and that is this country is better. No buts about it and if you do not believe that, then go home. That goes for the stuck up europeans also. You don't like, then go back to Bloody Fukn England.

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I can only hope that I can remain calm if someone told me to take down my Flag. I already have a hard enough time when I was going to college and dealing with the idiots there, sometimes you just want to bang your head on the wall. Thanks to the liberals and the foreign people pleasers, we won't be living in America the belief, or the idea, but merely a geological location...

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Wednesday morning, however, our story received nationwide attention. We have received dozens of emails and comments from people who had something to say about it. And a receptionist at Kindred's headquarters told us they received many phone calls.

Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: "The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up."
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I am American w/Mexican decent. I have served in the Marine Corps. It pisses me off when something like this happens. My belief for hispanics is if you want to hang the flag of your nation (mexico, cuba, puerto rico, etc.) you need to hang the American flag right next to it. I know people love the countries they come from but they are in the U.S. for a reason and that is this country is better. No buts about it and if you do not believe that, then go home. That goes for the stuck up europeans also. You don't like, then go back to Bloody Fukn England.
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I bet the African is telling herself that she did McLucas a favor because at least she didn't go outside and burn the flag like she originally was going to do.

The lack of patriotism and support for this country will only grow. Anyone who has children in school will know that our children are not receiving a thorough education on what sacrifices were made to get our country to where it is today.

I've met some African immigrants and talked at length with them about where they are from and why they are here. Even though there are children getting their arms chopped off in the villages where they are from, they are in the US mainly for the money and health care.

Just think of all those who died in vain for that flag. Sigh.
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A 3 foot by 5 foot flag of any sort in the middle of an office seems excessive to me. I think their reasoning for taking it down is ridiculous though. You shouldn't have to change up something because some one finds it offensive. I'm sure the guy from Africa speaks with an accent and I find that offensive so he shouldn't be allowed to talk. I still cant believe that it happened in Texas but hospitals aren't ran with integrity.
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I bet the African is telling herself that she did McLucas a favor because at least she didn't go outside and burn the flag like she originally was going to do.

The lack of patriotism and support for this country will only grow. Anyone who has children in school will know that our children are not receiving a thorough education on what sacrifices were made to get our country to where it is today.
Ya know, on Memorial Day I attended a ceremony at a black cemetary that was forgotten and there are around 50 veterans in it. The Plano American Legion did the event, there was maybe 100-120 people there, mostly white. We were there because they were veterans, nothing to do with race.

Well, all was nice to me until a black preacher spoke up and indicated twice that we were there for black veterans. Not veterans, not THE black veterans now resting at that cemetary- just black veterans. I about walked out of there on the spot, but instead held it cool, left after taps and did not stay for the second prayer.

Now mind you, he was in front a a majority of veterans. We were there because they were veterans, but he could not help himself and put race up first.

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I just got off the phone with them. They claim there PR dept is getting ready for a statement and that Flag is back up. I asked what they are planning on doing to this person who disrespected the American Flag who was not even born a US citizen. I told them they have 48 hrs to let the public know what has happened to this African who needs to be put the next boat back to Africa if they get offened by the flag of the country they decided to come to and become a citizen of.
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A 3 foot by 5 foot flag of any sort in the middle of an office seems excessive to me. I think their reasoning for taking it down is ridiculous though. You shouldn't have to change up something because some one finds it offensive. I'm sure the guy from Africa speaks with an accent and I find that offensive so he shouldn't be allowed to talk. I still cant believe that it happened in Texas but hospitals aren't ran with integrity.
The problem is, everone has to be P.C, and fair. If the cunt that complained, wanted to hang a flag of her own, they'd have to allow it, since they allowed the lady to hang the American flag. Doesn't make it right, but from an HR and Administrative standpoint, I understand why they asked her to take it down. The hospital is just trying to keep the peace between employees, and in doing so, they threw themselves under the bus and opened themselves up to a metric shit ton of bad press. I kinda feel bad for them.
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I told them they have 48 hrs to let the public know what has happened to this African

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Eh, I don't think it's as big a deal as it's made out to be. I wouldn't want someone putting up a huge flag (I wouldn't mind 3x5', but just as an example) in the office. Sounds like the size was the only real issue there.

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I have website reseved that will draw nothing but negative attention to kindred. I told them I will launch it then.
Oh god, don't blog about them!
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post #48 of 90 (permalink) Old 05-27-2009, 02:56 PM
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Oh god, don't blog about them!
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Glad I'm not the only one using common fucking sense here.
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post #49 of 90 (permalink) Old 05-27-2009, 02:58 PM
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The problem is, everone has to be P.C, and fair. If the cunt that complained, wanted to hang a flag of her own, they'd have to allow it, since they allowed the lady to hang the American flag. Doesn't make it right, but from an HR and Administrative standpoint, I understand why they asked her to take it down. The hospital is just trying to keep the peace between employees, and in doing so, they threw themselves under the bus and opened themselves up to a metric shit ton of bad press. I kinda feel bad for them.
Why would we have to let her? We are not in there country they are in ours, we shouldn't have to let someone put up their countries flag, if its such a great flag go back. They are up all over the place there
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post #50 of 90 (permalink) Old 05-27-2009, 03:01 PM
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I bet they're shaking, trying to figure out how they will ever recover from such harsh acts.
I could give shit less if they are shaking, tell me any company out there that wants negative publicity on the web.
It is not a harsh act, I am simply pissed that some fucktard from africa disrepected the American Flag while on company time, and Kindred told me that is basicly not there problem.
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