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Obama to unveil big increase in required mpg
New rule will set 42 mpg for cars starting in 2016, sources say
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WASHINGTON - New cars and trucks will have to get 30 percent better mileage starting in 2016 under an Obama administration move to curb emissions tied to smog and global warming, sources said Monday.

President Barack Obama was expected to adopt the higher mileage standards on Tuesday, administration sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity ahead of the official announcement.

The new requirement will mark the first time that limits on greenhouse gases will be linked to federal standards for cars and light trucks.

While the 30 percent increase would be an average for both cars and light trucks, the percentage increase in cars would be much greater, according to the New York Times, rising from the current 27.5 mpg standard to 42 mpg starting in 2016. The average for light trucks would rise from 24 mpg to 26.2 mpg.

California, 13 other states and the District of Columbia had earlier urged the federal government to let them enact more stringent standards than the federal government's requirements. The states' regulations would cut greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent in new cars and trucks by 2016.

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Administration sources said the Obama administration will adopt the 30 percent goal with the 2016 deadline, and will phase it in starting with 2011 vehicle models.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat and chair of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, thanked the Obama administration for bringing together "the federal government, the State of California, and the auto industry behind new national automobile emissions standards that follow California’s lead.

"This is good news for all of us who have fought long and hard to reduce global warming pollution, create clean energy jobs, and reduce our dangerous dependence on foreign oil," she added.

Environmentalists also praised the move. Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club, called it "one of the most significant efforts undertaken by any president, ever, to end our addiction to oil and seriously slash our global warming emissions."

Daniel Weiss, director of climate strategy at the Center for American Progress, described it as "a triple play: It will help move America off foreign oil, save families money and spur American businesses to take the lead in developing the job-creating, clean-energy technologies of the future."

Obama's plan also would effectively end litigation between states and automakers. The latter had opposed state-specific rules, arguing that having to meet several state standards would be much more expensive for them than just one federal rule.

The Detroit News reported that automakers were on board with the new rule because of that, and because they worked with the administration on creating a timeline for the transition.

The new federal rule would also prompt automakers to drop their lawsuit. Two car companies that have been part of the litigation, General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC, have received billions in government loans during a plunge in car sales amid a weakened economy.

Top automaker executives are expected to attend the Tuesday announcement, The Detroit News said, as are Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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the V6 wont meet the CAFE standards.... look for the all new 2016 mustang GT with a 2.0 4cylinder or Hybrid...
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LOL someone with photoshop put some mustang badges on a Prius.. we'll call that the 2016 mustang...
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if this finalizes, i will never buy another new car...
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if this finalizes, i will never buy another new car...
I'm already there. I'm going to drive the fucking wheels off of my 03 Expedition. And when that's done, I'm buying another 100K+ mile vehicle. They are cheap as hell, and other than it needing two coil packs, and a set of rear brakes, I haven't had any major problems with it.

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Gee thanks Obama for another foot up the ass of the economy.

Please note that this will do nothing about worldwide "carbon" emissions, and is actually a cleverly designed Trojan Horse doctrine for collecting additional Gas Guzzler tax revenues. Somebody gotta pay for that gubment cheese.
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He should require that someone create a time machine by 2016 so we can go back in time and give everyone a Prius.


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Meanwhile, back at the ranch there are 1.3 billion Chinese burning coal as fast as they can dig it up.
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All of these CAFE standards and green policies are fucking bullshit. I heard on the radio today that our local C.P.S. (City Public Service) is reducing bonus money and over time allowance by 10% due to the fact too many people are conserving electricity. My father in law said that the CEO told them in a meeting that hopefully we have a hot ass summer so we are forced to use a higher amount of electricity this summer.

Look at the vehicles the government have, you don't see them rolling is little bullshit cars. Fuck they wasted who knows how much fuel the other day taking AF1 for a fucking joy ride. Obama had over 500 people flown to Europe when he went on his America sucks tour. He even had all of this government issued vehicles flown over there as well.

These assholes don't really want us to conserve shit, they want us to use it like its going out of style while pretending to be for conservation. All the while they tax the fuck out of us for doing so.....

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Are you saying that in 20 years we'll be producing cheap DVD's for the Chi-comm's consumption?

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Lucky for us this country won't make it to 2016.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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All of these CAFE standards and green policies are fucking bullshit. I heard on the radio today that our local C.P.S. (City Public Service) is reducing bonus money and over time allowance by 10% due to the fact too many people are conserving electricity. My father in law said that the CEO told them in a meeting that hopefully we have a hot ass summer so we are forced to use a higher amount of electricity this summer.

Look at the vehicles the government have, you don't see them rolling is little bullshit cars. Fuck they wasted who knows how much fuel the other day taking AF1 for a fucking joy ride. Obama had over 500 people flown to Europe when he went on his America sucks tour. He even had all of this government issued vehicles flown over there as well.

These assholes don't really want us to conserve shit, they want us to use it like its going out of style while pretending to be for conservation. All the while they tax the fuck out of us for doing so.....
Which goes back to saying what I've said before. I don't know if I said it here though. The government wants to push us to the point we want to conserve but not actually do it. They want to raise the cost of electricity, gas and everything else to the point we still use it but don't cut back. Remember the whole thing about "use less gas" but they got pissed when the road tax coffers started going empty? They could very easily take all those hundreds of billions of dollars they spent on stupid shit and convert every house in teh US to solar, but that would take away revenue from teh government from power stations, road crews (taxes and fees), and every other side bar thing the government draws cash from.
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Obama is definitely not an auto enthusiasts.

Say goodbye to large displacement factory motors, which puts the cock block on GM & Mopar performance segment. Though, I guess that's all moot anyway.

Such a dramatic jump from 27 to 42 in 6 years doesn't even sound viable. I'm confused...I thought Washington wanted the American auto makers to get back on their feet again?

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Who the fuck are they(the federal government) to decide if we can or can not buy gas guzzlers?

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Obama is definitely not an auto enthusiasts.

Say goodbye to large displacement factory motors, which puts the cock block on GM & Mopar performance segment. Though, I guess that's all moot anyway.

Such a dramatic jump from 27 to 42 in 6 years doesn't even sound viable. I'm confused...I thought Washington wanted the American auto makers to get back on their feet again?
The liberals in Washington that are proposing these standards are actually arguing that raising the mpg standards will make American car companies more competitive. They are so freaking clueless it is amazing.

How does making every car so expensive that the average American can't afford one better?

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Obama is definitely not an auto enthusiasts.

Say goodbye to large displacement factory motors, which puts the cock block on GM & Mopar performance segment. Though, I guess that's all moot anyway.

Such a dramatic jump from 27 to 42 in 6 years doesn't even sound viable. I'm confused...I thought Washington wanted the American auto makers to get back on their feet again?
Nope. Being the foremost leader in the world is too much for them to handle and they would rather sacrifice our supremacy to make others feel warm and fuzzy instead of getting the hell out of their own way and letting the one thing that has always kept this country at the front of the pack, the people, take it back over.

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Who the fuck are they(the federal government) to decide if we can or can not buy gas guzzlers?
There will be gas guzzlers but you are going to pay out the ass for them.
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There will be gas guzzlers but you are going to pay out the ass for them.
We will also pay a high TAX on them. This is all tied to cap and trade. I wont matter if you sell a car/truck that doesn't meet CAFE you can just pay a TAX and drive on.

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Obama is definitely not an auto enthusiasts.

Say goodbye to large displacement factory motors, which puts the cock block on GM & Mopar performance segment. Though, I guess that's all moot anyway.

Such a dramatic jump from 27 to 42 in 6 years doesn't even sound viable. I'm confused...I thought Washington wanted the American auto makers to get back on their feet again?
Actually Obama used to own a Chrysler 300c (yea it's gotta HEMI). Then he gave a speech to the big three about their gas hogging vehicles and someone pointed out his hypocrisy. Almost overnight, the car was traded for a Ford Escape hybrid.
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That is how it used to be.

Now it has lost its value even before you put money on the table.
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Actually Obama used to own a Chrysler 300c (yea it's gotta HEMI). Then he gave a speech to the big three about their gas hogging vehicles and someone pointed out his hypocrisy. Almost overnight, the car was traded for a Ford Escape hybrid.
I believe it also had stains of semen and slobber from Larry Sinclair on the driver seat.

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I paid cash for my wife's new '07 Freestyle and my '07 Focus. We wanted new cars and plan to drive them into the ground. I have never been able to find a decent used car that didn't have mega stains and smell like a freaking ashtray.

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Well, with gas back on the rise again 42mpg looks pretty good. Unfortunately, I won't be able to afford one of these new cars, nor do I really want one since you won't be able to mod it or work on it. I think that when gas climbs back up to $4/gallon again (and it will) you'll see the shift toward more fuel efficient vehicles resume. However, the law of unintended consequences is going to kick in since a more fuel efficient vehicle will generate a lot less fuel tax revenue.
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From what I was hearing, these new CAFE standards are going to increase the cost of new cars by 1300 bucks
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From what I was hearing, these new CAFE standards are going to increase the cost of new cars by 1300 bucks
Considering that most domestic manufacturers are going to need to raise their fleet averages by 35%, there is no way that figure is accurate.

Exhibit A: How much does it cost for the ecoboost V6 option again? I think it is something like $4,000?

That is the cost of the engineering. You see, as you start approaching an engine that has perfect combustion the engineering costs increase exponentially. It is a great example of how Washington has ruined the car business in this country, you've got the tail wagging the dog. IE the environmentalists dream up their bullshit, legislate it, the engineers have to create it and then the manufacturer passes all those costs on to the consumer. Same thing will happen here except the costs are going to be astronomical.
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Considering that most domestic manufacturers are going to need to raise their fleet averages by 35%, there is no way that figure is accurate.

Exhibit A: How much does it cost for the ecoboost V6 option again? I think it is something like $4,000?

That is the cost of the engineering. You see, as you start approaching an engine that has perfect combustion the engineering costs increase exponentially. It is a great example of how Washington has ruined the car business in this country, you've got the tail wagging the dog. IE the environmentalists dream up their bullshit, legislate it, the engineers have to create it and then the manufacturer passes all those costs on to the consumer. Same thing will happen here except the costs are going to be astronomical.
Thats what I keep telling other dumb asses on other boards. You can't even get leather in most cars with out paying $1200-1500 extra and there is zero engineering involved with that.
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