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Gov. Deval Patrick’s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work.

But the program - fueled by a funding boost despite the state’s fiscal crash - allows those who end up back on welfare to keep the cars anyway.

“It’s mind-boggling. You’ve got people out there saying, ‘I just lost my job. Hey, can I get a free car, too?’ ” said House Minority Leader Brad Jones (R-North Reading).

The Patrick administration decided last month to funnel an additional $30,000 to the nearly $400,000 annual car ownership program.

The program, which is provided by the State Department of Transitional Assistance, gives out about 65 cars a year, said DTA Commissioner Julia Kehoe.

The state pays for the car’s insurance, inspection, excise tax, title, registration, repairs and a AAA membership for one year at a total cost of roughly $6,000 per car.

The program, which started in 2006, distributes cars donated by non-profit charities such as Good News Garage, a Lutheran charity, which also does the repair work on the car and bills the state.

Kehoe defended the program, saying the state breaks even by cutting welfare payments to the family - about $6,000 a year.

“If you look at the overall picture, this helps make sure people aren’t staying on cash assistance. It’s a relatively short payment for a long-term benefit,” Kehoe said.

But Kehoe admitted about 20 percent of those who received a car ended up back on welfare, and while they lose the insurance and other benefits, they don’t have to return the car.

“Given the state’s fiscal condition, paying for AAA and auto inspection costs is outrageous,” said Senate Minority Leader Richard Tisei (R-Wakefield). “There are so many families out there trying to deal with layoffs and pay cuts. You have to wonder what the state’s priorities are at this point.”

Applicants for cars must have a job or prove they could get one if they had the car in order to qualify. Once they have the wheels, they must send DTA their pay stubs to prove they are employed.

To get the cars, they must be unable to reach work by public transportation and have a clean driving record. The program is only available to families on welfare with children.

Kehoe said the bulk of cars go to places with less public transportation, such as Fitchburg, New Bedford and Lowell.

“I can’t believe there are no restrictions on how they use the car,” Jones said. “I just don’t see this as a core function of government.”

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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 05-11-2009, 06:48 AM
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No mention of insurance coverage. Hmmm. If you can't afford a car, then you can't afford all the responsibility that comes with it.

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No mention of insurance coverage. Hmmm. If you can't afford a car, then you can't afford all the responsibility that comes with it.
If you read the sixth item down. They will pay for insurance and repairs. Hell it's even in the first pargraph. Very bad idea.

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If you read the sixth item down. They will pay for insurance and repairs. Hell it's even in the first pargraph. Very bad idea.
Oh, wait. The STATE pays for it all! My mistake!

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No problem with a charity handing out cars to people that need them. No problem with people taking a tax write-off for donating a car. The government has no place paying insurance, inspection, etc. on the vehicle for them though. If social services wants to cooperate with a charity looking to give cars away, fine, but they shouldn't administer a program.

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In a perfect world this would allow honest people to keep their jobs by having reliable transportation. In the real world this will provide a free car for someone who doesn't work and won't even look for a job.
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Why would the state do this AND pay for mass transit? Isn't that duplicating efforts? Pure insanity.
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Pure insanity.
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No problem with a charity handing out cars to people that need them. No problem with people taking a tax write-off for donating a car. The government has no place paying insurance, inspection, etc. on the vehicle for them though. If social services wants to cooperate with a charity looking to give cars away, fine, but they shouldn't administer a program.
Didn't you vote for Obama?
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Big government at it's finest. "Charity" should come from private organizations, not the federal or state government. If the United Way wants to give away free cars I'm fine with it but I'll never understand how forced taxes get wasted on charity like this.

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Great, another bad idea we get to pay for.

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Big government at it's finest. "Charity" should come from private organizations, not the federal or state government. If the United Way wants to give away free cars I'm fine with it but I'll never understand how forced taxes get wasted on charity like this.
Well put.

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Great, another bad idea we get to pay for.
Well not us, unless of course you buy goods from Massachussetts. It's funded by state taxes.

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Well not us, unless of course you buy goods from Massachussetts. It's funded by state taxes.
Ah, didn't notice that.

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No problem with a charity handing out cars to people that need them. No problem with people taking a tax write-off for donating a car. The government has no place paying insurance, inspection, etc. on the vehicle for them though. If social services wants to cooperate with a charity looking to give cars away, fine, but they shouldn't administer a program.
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Didn't you vote for Obama?
Don't you know the mindset of the people you voted for?
No, I didn't vote for Obama, and no, I didn't vote for anyone in Mass. Also, I didn't see Obama's name associated with this at all. Thanks for clearing all that up though.

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No, I didn't vote for Obama, and no, I didn't vote for anyone in Mass. Also, I didn't see Obama's name associated with this at all. Thanks for clearing all that up though.
Democrats. Considering how far left Obama is, pretty much almost any idea a democrat supports, it's safe to say he does/would too if it's a left leaning idea.

Take from makers, give to takers.

I could have swore i've seen you defend Obama in some thread.

I'm aware you couldn't have voted for the Mass gov, but you could have voted into the mindset that supports this type of decision making.

I could be mistaken and have you confused with someone else though. If so, . . . . . . my bad dawg.

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Democrats. Considering how far left Obama is, pretty much almost any idea a democrat supports, it's safe to say he does/would too if it's a left leaning idea.

Take from makers, give to takers.

I could have swore i've seen you defend Obama in some thread.

I'm aware you couldn't have voted for the Mass gov, but you could have voted into the mindset that supports this type of decision making.

I could be mistaken and have you confused with someone else though. If so, . . . . . . my bad dawg.
No worries, and I have supported the Obama administration in many places here. If they were a part of this or support it, I'll be bashing them for it. Like many on here, I have a set of core beliefs and am not happy with anyone 100%. If ideas like this start catching on though, I'll build me a tin foil hat like a lot of the guys in this forum.

Oh, and if I had as many ID's and Dirk's baby's mamma, I probably could've voted for the Mass. gov.

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I was wondering if anyone else had seen this aside from me. It's a way to keep people dependent on the government and to encourage more people to turn to the government for help. Why should the workers pay their own insurance and car payments when, if they go on welfare, they get cash and a car and everything paid for?
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a.k.a. socialism
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you have to look hard to find the federal funding for this

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Well not us, unless of course you buy goods from Massachussetts. It's funded by state taxes.
Welcome to the Massachusetts Department of Transitional Assistance (DTA) website. At DTA, we strive to provide individuals and families with food assistance, job assistance, cash assistance and emergency shelter.

benefits to the DTA are a result of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, commonly known as the federal stimulus package.
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This isnt a fucking socialistic country... what the fuck are they thinking... oh wait, they're not.

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This isnt a fucking socialistic country...
Not until Obama, Pelosi and Biden took the reins. Now we're just half a click to the right of full-on socialism... and they've only just begun.

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