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Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?

Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.





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Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?

Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.
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Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?

Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.
Fuck that, the internet should still be covered under 1st, 9th, and 10th Amnd
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Fuck that, the internet should still be covered under 1st, 9th, and 10th Amnd
BO doesn't care about those pesky documents!


Bet they already have a list of sites they would "protect" in a state of emergency. Wonder if DFWstangs is on the list.

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BO doesn't care about those pesky documents!


Bet they already have a list of sites they would "protect" in a state of emergency. Wonder if DFWstangs is on the list.
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If he does move toward that, you guys better get your tin foil hats on because the government is looking to cover their asses in the event of something huge. Internet provides the means for common people to communicate with others efficently and to be able to organize themself if needed(IE Tea Parties).
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americans need a plan b and c.

this goverment is not to be trusted.
As evidenced by the rampant ammo and gun purchases. For being the most beloved leader ever, there sure are a lot of people afraid of and untrusting of him and his administration.

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If he does move toward that, you guys better get your tin foil hats on because the government is looking to cover their asses in the event of something huge. Internet provides the means for common people to communicate with others efficently and to be able to organize themself if needed(IE Tea Parties).
that's the way I see it too. Imagine if something happened and the decision was made to pull the plug to "protect americans". Although in the meantime I suspect that they'll use that power to go after people downloading movies since the MPAA is in their pocket so deep.

Edit: changed RIAA to MPAA since i'm talking about movies, although the RIAA are money grubbing low life bastards too.

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that's the way I see it too. Imagine if something happened and the decision was made to pull the plug to "protect americans". Although in the meantime I suspect that they'll use that power to go after people downloading movies since the RIAA is in their pocket so deep.
Wha? You mean, it's not for national security?

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So let's prop up all the newspapers that are going broke (which they control) with bailout money, but have the ability to kill the internet at their discretion? Fucking commies...the whole lot of 'em.

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So let's prop up all the newspapers that are going broke (which they control) with bailout money, but have the ability to kill the internet at their discretion? Fucking commies...the whole lot of 'em.
Yeah and we have all seen that those bail out dollars come with strings attached to them. If the newspapers did get any kind of bail out.

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Sounds like what the Chinese do to their country........control the media/web...... Communisim anybody?????

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Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.
Come on man. This is obviously so they can monitor and manipulate anti American groups such as al-qaeda. Havent you seen the movie Body of Lies? You don't think Hollywood is in cahoots with the federal government? Just say the word and I will shut up.

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Hell fucking no. They already control more then they should, and definitely more than the average sheep knows about. They have and will continue to do what they want, unless there's a mass awakening, it'll continue to go on until complete control is achieved. Alarm bells should be ringing in everyones ears.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.

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I had this whole -remove your tin foil hat- thing drafted, but managed to read about this on the link provided and some other places.

Yall surf the web at work? ZOMG, your privacy is at risk!!! I typically recommend no less then 3 different way to log data when working with a customer and that's above and beyond any proxy. Ever get fired for checking out porn at work that they mysteriously found out about? Yeah, it was someone like me finding it.

Do you KNOW without a doubt that your ISP has not been compromised and does not have a data capture method in house?

Are you concerned about peer-to-peer getting nailed? Well, guess what...it IS against the law to be downloading those movies/music etc you did not pay for at all. Do I understand why its done, will I hate it too? Yup.

I think it's a crying fucking shame that they don't have much more of these things in place already. You all would go through the ROOF if your credit information did not have these measure in place for your privacy, but you'll whine about it and try to stop it for the security of your country?

I UNDERSTAND your point of view. I also understand that if the people responsible for our nation's security did NOTHING or rather the little you wanted them to do we'd be a lot more fucked up then we are now. I just feel there needs to be oversight on these matters, just like any corporation.

Example: A major banking/credit card processing company I worked for and still know the peeps there. All info flows back to about 4 Enterprise Security dudes. Now they COULD do crazy things with that data that they have access to without oversight. However, there is oversight and compartmentalization. They may get a shit ton of data, but they can't do other things to utilize it.

Now those dudes pass background checks and are good peeps. While at your job place when you're doing you banking or whatever it is you do - a lot of those dudes do not have any real background checks done. Those peeps can log ever bit of data you do without anyone ever knowing - even though it would be frowned upon and immoral.

Anyway, I may of misunderstood the gist of these articles and I may be misunderstanding yall. However, I just feel there is some need for this - but as with anything we need oversight to mitigate abuse of power.

Yall come across as if we should do nothing in regards to gathering intelligence via any form of communications. That just seem totally insane.

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Come on man. This is obviously so they can monitor and manipulate anti American groups such as al-qaeda. Havent you seen the movie Body of Lies? You don't think Hollywood is in cahoots with the federal government? Just say the word and I will shut up.
If they REALLY cared about al qaeda, they would close down the borders. That's a piss-poor excuse.

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If they REALLY cared about al qaeda, they would close down the borders. That's a piss-poor excuse.
Well, at least secure them.

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Well, at least secure them.
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Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?
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it was not a problem to bring money to his house at 10pm.so why is it a problem to call and bitch.it wasnt a problem when we were all sitting around smoking pot together.yes i said it we all were smoking pot together.what now stupid.
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If they REALLY cared about al qaeda, they would close down the borders. That's a piss-poor excuse.
Do you really think they can stop people from coming across the borders? I guess you want them to build a (Berlin) Wall from Texas to California?

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I had this whole -remove your tin foil hat- thing drafted, but managed to read about this on the link provided and some other places.

Yall surf the web at work? ZOMG, your privacy is at risk!!! I typically recommend no less then 3 different way to log data when working with a customer and that's above and beyond any proxy. Ever get fired for checking out porn at work that they mysteriously found out about? Yeah, it was someone like me finding it.

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Are you concerned about peer-to-peer getting nailed? Well, guess what...it IS against the law to be downloading those movies/music etc you did not pay for at all. Do I understand why its done, will I hate it too? Yup.

I think it's a crying fucking shame that they don't have much more of these things in place already. You all would go through the ROOF if your credit information did not have these measure in place for your privacy, but you'll whine about it and try to stop it for the security of your country?

I UNDERSTAND your point of view. I also understand that if the people responsible for our nation's security did NOTHING or rather the little you wanted them to do we'd be a lot more fucked up then we are now. I just feel there needs to be oversight on these matters, just like any corporation.

Example: A major banking/credit card processing company I worked for and still know the peeps there. All info flows back to about 4 Enterprise Security dudes. Now they COULD do crazy things with that data that they have access to without oversight. However, there is oversight and compartmentalization. They may get a shit ton of data, but they can't do other things to utilize it.

Now those dudes pass background checks and are good peeps. While at your job place when you're doing you banking or whatever it is you do - a lot of those dudes do not have any real background checks done. Those peeps can log ever bit of data you do without anyone ever knowing - even though it would be frowned upon and immoral.

Anyway, I may of misunderstood the gist of these articles and I may be misunderstanding yall. However, I just feel there is some need for this - but as with anything we need oversight to mitigate abuse of power.

Yall come across as if we should do nothing in regards to gathering intelligence via any form of communications. That just seem totally insane.
I agree with you 100%. #1 if you are a "low class" law breaker like most of you are. You have nothing to worry about. Now if you are planning a terrorist attack or stockpiling weapons. Then you may have a problem.

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Do you really think they can stop people from coming across the borders? I guess you want them to build a (Berlin) Wall from Texas to California?
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i wouldnt have a problem with that but i dont see how it would help them any

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Yeah. That's what I want.
Im from Mexico, I wish they would close the borders, Its time my people learned how to vote and defend their own country,build their own economy and stop depending on the US. thats my .2

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Land mines are cheaper then a fence and much more effective. In order to make a hole through a minefield things would get real messy.

Pretty simple, if you want to cross the border hit the border control point. If you want to illegally cross, well - take your chances.

Again though, Mexicans thinking it is all about them. It is much more important then Mexicans. Illegal immigration is part of it, but one of the biggest threats IMO is terrorists and their dirty little plans.

Although I wonder if it does any good to care anymore.

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Land mines are cheaper then a fence and much more effective. In order to make a hole through a minefield things would get real messy.

Pretty simple, if you want to cross the border hit the border control point. If you want to illegally cross, well - take your chances.

Again though, Mexicans thinking it is all about them. It is much more important then Mexicans. Illegal immigration is part of it, but one of the biggest threats IMO is terrorists and their dirty little plans.

Although I wonder if it does any good to care anymore.
It makes it difficult for us to care, when our government clearly does not. I would love to blame Uncle Barry for this, but it goes way back.

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It makes it difficult for us to care, when our government clearly does not. I would love to blame Uncle Barry for this, but it goes way back.
Oh yeah man and it's bigger then just POTUS.

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We are already holding out on Mexico till they get rid of all the corruption and help us with our borders. What do you think the swine flu was really about? We just wanted people to stop going to mexico for vacation. Had nothing to do with any flu. It was all just made up shit.

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We are already holding out on Mexico till they get rid of all the corruption and help us with our borders. What do you think the swine flu was really about? We just wanted people to stop going to mexico for vacation. Had nothing to do with any flu. It was all just made up shit.
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I've been saying we should mine our borders just like North and South Korea did, along with minigun emplacements set with motion detectors. We're in wartime and anyone sneaking across the borders could be a terrorist so therefore they should be met with lethal force if they are so insistent on crossing illegally. If you're not willing to follow the law, you obviously have something to hide, otherwise you'll do the paperwork like I am for my wife.

I think after a couple of those mexican humvees hit anti tank mines and antipersonelle mines a few times, those drug runners will reevaluate their plans. And for those drug planes, anti aircraft guns
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I've been saying we should mine our borders just like North and South Korea did, along with minigun emplacements set with motion detectors. We're in wartime and anyone sneaking across the borders could be a terrorist so therefore they should be met with lethal force if they are so insistent on crossing illegally. If you're not willing to follow the law, you obviously have something to hide, otherwise you'll do the paperwork like I am for my wife.

I think after a couple of those mexican humvees hit anti tank mines and antipersonelle mines a few times, those drug runners will reevaluate their plans. And for those drug planes, anti aircraft guns
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You need to keep your mouth shut. The more you talk, the sillier you look...
Do you really think that your opinion on my comments is going to affect the way or how often I post?

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I've been saying we should mine our borders just like North and South Korea did, along with minigun emplacements set with motion detectors. We're in wartime and anyone sneaking across the borders could be a terrorist so therefore they should be met with lethal force if they are so insistent on crossing illegally. If you're not willing to follow the law, you obviously have something to hide, otherwise you'll do the paperwork like I am for my wife.

I think after a couple of those mexican humvees hit anti tank mines and antipersonelle mines a few times, those drug runners will reevaluate their plans. And for those drug planes, anti aircraft guns
A mini gun with motion detectors is all we need. Then put a camera on it with webcasting.

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I don't agree that the government should be able to control the internet. But I do believe they should be able to use it any way they see fit to obtain information about someone or some group.

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I pointed that out several months ago....some things never change.
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It'd help with our crazy spending.

"Tonight on Pay Per View...Watch as random illegals and Mexican drug runners meet up with miniguns loaded with tracers. Will they make it past?"
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It'd help with our crazy spending.

"Tonight on Pay Per View...Watch as random illegals and Mexican drug runners meet up with miniguns loaded with tracers. Will they make it past?"
Thats some funny shit. It would be funnier if it said "Tonight on Pay Per View...Watch as random Mexicans looking for a better life and Mexican drug runners supplying Americans with drugs meet up with miniguns loaded with tracers. Will they make it past?"

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I agree. Let's phrase it like that so libs watch. My money is on the gatling guns
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What would the prize for making it across be? A bus ticket back to Mexico?
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If you make it across, we have a job for you. You join the military and after 4 years of service, you're a citizen.
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Mines are cheaper, more effective and make a bigger explosion. However, since I am not confrontational they should use both - but that'll be a lot of guns for that coverage area.

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Well, according to Obama's crew, 90% of all guns in Mexico come from the US. Let's just use those that are confiscated. Poetic justice
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Well, according to Obama's crew, 90% of all guns in Mexico come from the US. Let's just use those that are confiscated. Poetic justice
Those types of guns won't fire themselves.

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True, but they can be made to fire from a control center. Hell, a simple mechanical gyro and laser pointer, added to a mechanism to squeeze the trigger and you're set.
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I would hope that if peoples lives were in your hands, you would be more compassionate.

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Not really, no. I've been in combat. People are expendable and worthless. Individuals alone carry worth and illegals are breaking the law by sneaking into the country during a time of war. Therefore, they are criminals and I have no compassion for criminals.
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