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So GM lost $6Billion last quater.... that's nothing..

Yesterday, the news was that GM lost $6Billion and had a cash burn of $10.2Billion in the last quarter.

That ain't shit...

Toyota lost $8.6BILLION and burned through $10Billion in the last quarter.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2009...305089946/1078

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TOKYO (Reuters) -- Toyota Motor Corp., the world's biggest automaker, forecast a much bigger-than-expected $8.6 billion loss for its current fiscal year and said it would sell about 1 million fewer vehicles as it scrambles to cut costs amid a severe market downturn

The global crisis that has battered demand for cars and pushed U.S. rival Chrysler into bankruptcy has hit Toyota hard, reversing its rapid expansion into overcapacity almost overnight. Dozens of its factories stand half idle.

The Japanese giant made the forecast as it posted its first-ever annual consolidated operating loss, for the fiscal year that ended March 31, after a record profit the year before.

In the January-March fourth quarter, Toyota booked a $6.9 billion loss, in line with consensus estimates, and cut its annual dividend nearly 30 percent -- the first cut since at least 1994, when it changed its reporting period.

While the entire industry is caught in the slump and seeking to offload cars piled up in stockyards, Toyota has been especially vulnerable due to its exposure to the United States and Japan, where sales have plunged to multi-decade lows.

Even in China, Toyota has bucked the market's rise with a fall so far this year.

"Toyota's outlook was worse than I'd expected. The company expects a really tough time for the first six months," said Naoki Fujiwara, a fund manager at Shinkin Asset Management. "I expect the bottom for the auto industry is the April-June period, followed by a slow recovery."

Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe was more downbeat, stopping short of predicting when sales would pick up in major markets, or when the company would return to profitability as it remains saddled with excess capacity.

"Of course the external environment doesn't help, but we were lacking in the scope and speed of dealing with various problems and issues, and for that I am sorry," he told a news conference.

For the year to next March, the maker of the Prius hybrid forecast an operating loss of 850 billion yen, more than double the average forecast in a survey of 20 analysts by Thomson Reuters. It sees an annual net loss of 550 billion yen based on the dollar and euro averaging 95 yen and 125 yen.

The bleak forecasts prompted ratings agency Standard & Poor's to downgrade Toyota's long-term debt ratings to AA from AA+, with a negative outlook.

14% sales decline

Toyota said it expected its global sales, including units Daihatsu Motor Co. and Hino Motors Ltd. but excluding cars sold by joint ventures in China, to fall about 14 percent in 2009-2010 to 6.5 million vehicles.

Watanabe said that would knock 800 billion yen off the operating level this year, which Toyota aims to offset with cost cuts. The bigger loss forecast this year is otherwise due to a stronger yen, he said.

To return to profit, Toyota must sell more cars or cut costs further, Watanabe said. But he predicted the U.S. market would be around 10 million vehicles industrywide at best this year, down from 13.2 million in 2008 and 16.2 million the previous year.

Toyota is hoping the launch this year of a third-generation Prius will ease some of its sales slide and production cuts, even though it is cutting the price of the popular model to bring it closer to Honda's new Insight hybrid, meaning its contribution to profits would be smaller than planned.

Toyota may also benefit from the expected introduction of a "cash-for-clunkers" sales incentive in Japan.

Capital spending slashed

Toyota is bleeding overhead costs, with about a third of its global assembly lines working on single shifts. It will slash capital spending by more than a third this year to 830 billion yen as it puts expansion projects on hold, but it said it was not thinking of closing any production lines for good.

Toyota reported a January-March net loss of 765.8 billion yen, against a year-earlier profit of 316.8 billion yen.

Domestic rival Honda Motor Co. last week forecast a small profit for this year thanks to its relatively healthy motorcycle business.

"Compared with Honda, (Toyota) has a lot of larger models and a lot of excess capacity globally," said Koichi Ogawa, chief portfolio manager at Daiwa SB Investments. "By 2010, cost cutting and capacity reduction may be taking effect, so they could break even then."

Other big automakers are also struggling.

General Motors on Thursday reported a quarterly net loss of $6 billion and said it burned through more than $10 billion as it relied on a federal bailout to ride out the sharp sales decline.

Japan's Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd., in which Toyota has a 16.5 percent stake, forecast its annual operating loss could balloon to 35 billion yen this year from 5.8 billion yen in 2008-2009, citing weak global car sales.
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So who gave Toyota the cash they just burned through? I never cared if they took a loss until WE gave them money to burn through.

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So who gave Toyota the cash they just burned through? I never cared if they took a loss until WE gave them money to burn through.
I'd guess that the japanese government is quietly propping toyota up, assuming that toyota is to the point of needing cash.
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I heard somewhere that GM was burning through money at the rate of $111 million per day for the last quarter....

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I'd guess that the japanese government is quietly propping toyota up, assuming that toyota is to the point of needing cash.
I'm not sure if they got it or not but Toyota did ask for $2Billion in loans from the Japanese government. I couldn't find any articles stating that they actually got the loan..

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...K3g&refer=home

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I heard somewhere that GM was burning through money at the rate of $111 million per day for the last quarter....
I don't think that number if too far off.
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