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The GOP After Specter

Here is an opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal. I took out the two paragraph I particularly liked on what the GOP needs to do. I thought it summed up my view of what 'ya'll' needed to do.

With a popular president now branding the GOP as the "party of no," there will be a strong Republican temptation to cut deals on health-care or energy, hoping to get credit for bipartisanship, or for making policies less bad. But the GOP will never win running as a less enthusiastic version of big-government Democrats. Washington votes are the only way for congressional Republicans to actually demonstrate a philosophy to voters, and it is here the party must reclaim its mantle of the party of limited government and entrepreneurship.

This is different from a message of outreach, which the party also desperately needs, but is accomplished primarily in the field. It involves members explaining to younger constituents why old-fashioned principles of choice and freedom still work for modern problems like health care. It means transmitting a welcome to those attracted to even one part of the conservative philosophy -- free markets, strong national security, social values -- even if not all. It requires recruiting candidates who aren't held to stiff litmus tests, but who have a shot of winning in the Northeast, say, or Illinois


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PS- full piece can be read here. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1241...googlenews_wsj
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My how the opposing party has such a short memory span.

I can recall when "your party" was the party of no. Change up some of the key description words and the shoe easily fits the other foot.
True. But this type of discussion is what I enjoy. Besides I have said many time I like the combination of a Dem president with a Rep majority congress. I am all for seeing that in 2012.
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I can't stand the idea of either party being the majority. That defeats the purpose, in my opinion. Too much power for one group has proven to be a serious issue with the development of any civilization.

I'm Libertarian, but even this party shouldn't have the majority under wraps.

Please explain Libertarian.

Because I may have it wrong.

Libertarian = socialism

Socialism = Communism

And think before you answer.
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True. But this type of discussion is what I enjoy. Besides I have said many time I like the combination of a Dem president with a Rep majority congress. I am all for seeing that in 2012.
So how did you like the last two years of Bush's term with a Republican President and a Democratic congress? Remember, we got here with that makeup.

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I can quote the definition from WIKI, or the like, but I would assume you have already done that.

My personal veiw of the party, or beleif in the party, is that it is all for personal freedoms and individual rights without the increase in government.

I have never associated it with Socialism, as it is for the individual.


Here, check this out: http://www.libertarianism.com/
Then by definition. Your not a liberal. The liberals do nothing but grow the federal government and take your rights away. And it seem more and more, so are the republicans. Hell there all going liberal. And no, I did not like bush brain. Or his father.

I'm not so sure dems. and republicans are so far apart as they use to be. They are both a little too far left for me.

Bush brain took away our 4 th amendment, and the dem's are working on our 1st and 2nd, and 13th amendments. None of them are representing what the public wants, and they all need to be kicked out.



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You're right, I don't consider myself to be a liberal. I'm Libertarian. There's some confusion between the two.
See, I told you I was confused.


So I'll ask this.... Do you agree that the government should be doing what it is doing now. "redistribution of wealth? "
Nationalizing banking, auto industry, health care?



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So how did you like the last two years of Bush's term with a Republican President and a Democratic congress? Remember, we got here with that makeup.
Good question. It's sad that so many will ignore the facts.
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Then by definition. Your not a liberal. The liberals do nothing but grow the federal government and take your rights away. And it seem more and more, so are the republicans. Hell there all going liberal. And no, I did not like bush brain. Or his father.

I'm not so sure dems. and republicans are so far apart as they use to be. They are both a little too far left for me.

Bush brain took away our 4 th amendment, and the dem's are working on our 1st and 2nd, and 13th amendments. None of them are representing what the public wants, and they all need to be kicked out.
The term liberal has come to define those who are far left. They see things as gray and when they agree with it, that thing is right. They often contradict themselves and don't care, even when they have a choice.

BTW, I once called myself a liberal Democrat, then I went to Republican, now I just consider myself conservative and traditional. I will vote for any candidate who is conservative and traditional in thinking, or for the best candidate who fits my values the closest. There are no perfect candidates, but so far the only ones who come close are Republican, so I vote Republican most of the time.

I think most Libertarians would vote for Republicans if they had to chose between Dem or Rep and therefore they are actually enabling the rise of the far left Democrats because they have thinned out the Republican vote. They have every right to do that, but I doubt most realize the unintended consequence of voting for candidates who have NO chance of getting elected.

I think it is odd that the Democrats have gone far left and are winning and the Republicans are going very moderate here lately and are losing. That tells me that the Republicans have disenfranchised many voters and have lost their fringe voters, mainly the Libertarian types and those who are upset because Republicans no longer stand for anything decent or honorable. They have gone the way of the Democrats and how they will say what they think you want to hear without caring what they are saying. I hope we get some conservative candidates running in the next election or two.

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Good question. It's sad that so many will ignore the facts.
I hope he answers. He seems to be fair minded and his answer will validate my belief one way or the other.

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I hope he answers. He seems to be fair minded and his answer will validate my belief one way or the other.
Oh, you know I would answer...

Okay here is my view. It is a little long winded.

Personally I am social liberal. I would say progressive among most of the people I talk to in person. However, on this site I would be and have been labeled liberal so I use that. The Dems have many of the social stances I like (ie. immigration reform "path the citizenship", anti death penalty, etc.) But they spend too much on some crap programs that don't work. I am also fiscally conservative. The Rep has the fiscal restraint I prefer, but are too conservative. (To head off some future comments from other libs - I know Bush and Congress spent a lot in the fall but I think the Rep Party is running back to fiscal conservatism.)

In my view a clean sweep by one party is unacceptable long term. I think many people kind of rely on the split of the two electable branches between the parties to create a kind of gridlock. My self included. I want the two parties to work together in a give and take to get things done. The Rep congress approves less spending which limits some of the crap spending of the Dem president. So I get some financial restraint with some of the social issues I like. But a Dem congress can't call a meeting without writing an appropriations bill and a Rep president won't even spend federal money on stem cell research. In this case I get none of what I want.

Also a Rep president in better able to cow a Dem congress into silence by waving the Patriot/America banner since the Dems are always considered weak on security and defense issues. A Dem president hasn't overpowered any congress since LBJ after the Kennedy assasination. (Not even a Dem led congress in 94 when Clinton tried to reform healthcare.) I believe a strong and active congress is truly needed. Congress provides a better representation on the citizens and what its voters want than the president.
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