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Poll: When does Israel go after Iran's nuke facilities?

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dunno. dec 25th?

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My guess - Not soon enough.

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Iranian Weapons Ship Sunk near Sudan

Published: 04/26/09, 8:25 P

by Maayana Miskin

(IsraelNN.com) An Iranian ship was destroyed off the coast of Sudan while transporting weapons to Gaza, according to the Egyptian daily Al-Usbua. The paper named Israel and the United States as likely suspects in the attack.

The ship was to dock in Sudan, where the weapons would have been unloaded and transported by land to the northern Sinai Peninsula. From there, they would be smuggled into Gaza to be used by Hamas.

The ship was destroyed by missiles fired from an unidentified second vessel, Sudanese sources said. The crew was killed in the attack, and the cargo was destroyed, they said.

The sources said Iran had attempted to hush up the incident.

One month ago, the U.S. station CBS reported that Israeli planes had carried out an attack in Sudan in January, demolishing a convoy bringing weapons from Iran to Hamas.

Israel has neither confirmed nor denied involvement in either strike.


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Not gonna happen.

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Because they're not worth the effort? Iran would be a fun little exercise for Israel. Maybe a little on the easy side, but good drill for real-time tactics.
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Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.

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Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.
After the shit-storm that Israel would rain down on Iran, those people would not want to fight at all. The air superiority Israel has over Iran would quell any desire for Iranians to fight. That's just the reality of the situation. "Long, drawn out war" is not going to happen.

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After the shit-storm that Israel would rain down on Iran, those people would not want to fight at all. The air superiority Israel has over Iran would quell any desire for Iranians to fight. That's just the reality of the situation. "Long, drawn out war" is not going to happen.
and after the shit storm we pulled in Iraq, we are still dealing with their shit 6 years later. keep in mind the US was also able to spend a trillion dollars on Iraq. Iran has a much stronger military then Iraq, and Israel's military does not come close to our own. Iran has their military dug in ready for a big attack, thats what they want. Israel will have their one big attack and be out of money, then the will come to the US and ask for more money.

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Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.
Netanyahu won't play games. He is intelligent enough to know that they need to go in at 100% and most likely destroy everything in their path to keep the other nations from getting froggy.

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and after the shit storm we pulled in Iraq, we are still dealing with their shit 6 years later. keep in mind the US was also able to spend a trillion dollars on Iraq. Iran has a much stronger military then Iraq, and Israel's military does not come close to our own. Iran has their military dug in ready for a big attack, thats what they want. Israel will have their one big attack and be out of money, then the will come to the US and ask for more money.
Big difference here. Israel won't care who they kill. We were discretionary and careful about where we hit. Israel won't be. I think you're dead wrong here. Israel won't pussyfoot around. If they do hit Iran, it will be hard.

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Netanyahu won't play games. He is intelligent enough to know that they need to go in at 100% and most likely destroy everything in their path to keep the other nations from getting froggy.
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Netanyahu won't play games. He is intelligent enough to know that they need to go in at 100% and most likely destroy everything in their path to keep the other nations from getting froggy.
keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military. and you do not need a degree in military science to know that it is easier to hold a strategic position then to take one.

I agree that israel would need to strike with everything they have, but do you really believe that mount a successful invasion? in 2003 the US sent a force that was about 100,000 soldiers larger then the entire military of Israel, to fight an Iraqi army that was only half as strong as Iran. I just do not think israel has enough to conquer Iran, though they could put quite a dent in their forces.

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keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago.
LMAO @ this statement!!!
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Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.
I guess Israel really DOES have the masses fooled.
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it will simply be a single strike to the right places and be done. just as they've done before. do you really believe those morons in gaza would last a day if Israel got serious ?? sooner or later they're going to get tired of this talking shit and get rid of the missiles for good .

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it will simply be a single strike to the right places and be done. just as they've done before. do you really believe those morons in gaza would last a day if Israel got serious ?? sooner or later they're going to get tired of this talking shit and get rid of the missiles for good .
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it will simply be a single strike to the right places and be done. just as they've done before. do you really believe those morons in gaza would last a day if Israel got serious ?? sooner or later they're going to get tired of this talking shit and get rid of the missiles for good .
Agreed..... Once Israel has enough of the shit, they will put the hammer down and it will be ugly.
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keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military. and you do not need a degree in military science to know that it is easier to hold a strategic position then to take one.

I agree that israel would need to strike with everything they have, but do you really believe that mount a successful invasion? in 2003 the US sent a force that was about 100,000 soldiers larger then the entire military of Israel, to fight an Iraqi army that was only half as strong as Iran. I just do not think israel has enough to conquer Iran, though they could put quite a dent in their forces.
Holy fucking cluelessness batman!

The US STOMPED Iraq, rushing through the entire fucking country in about 24 hours. However, being the dogooders we try to be, we are currently occupying them to reinstall government, train their police, build infrastructure, etc. These things take a whole lot of time.

The US occupation of Iraq in no way whatsoever parallels how Israel would attack Iran. You think they give a fuck enough to try to rebuild Iran? lmfao

You may not have a degree in military science, but a little current events and/or recent history plus a tiny bit of common sense would do you a shit ton of good.
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Holy fucking cluelessness batman!

The US STOMPED Iraq, rushing through the entire fucking country in about 24 hours. However, being the dogooders we try to be, we are currently occupying them to reinstall government, train their police, build infrastructure, etc. These things take a whole lot of time.

The US occupation of Iraq in no way whatsoever parallels how Israel would attack Iran. You think they give a fuck enough to try to rebuild Iran? lmfao

You may not have a degree in military science, but a little current events and/or recent history plus a tiny bit of common sense would do you a shit ton of good.
Funny how they forget about the Gulf War. It was a fucking massacre.

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keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military.
Hilarious. Israel would still be bombing Lebanon if they wanted to. And Hezbollah would still be hiding in holes in the ground, proclaiming victory.

Iran doesn't even have a functioning air force. Even if they did, who would fly the planes? Their tanks are Soviet junk. Iran is a paper tiger. They were so desperate during the Iran-Iraq war they they talked women and children into making suicide wave attacks on the Iraqi lines.
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and after the shit storm we pulled in Iraq, we are still dealing with their shit 6 years later. keep in mind the US was also able to spend a trillion dollars on Iraq. Iran has a much stronger military then Iraq, and Israel's military does not come close to our own. Iran has their military dug in ready for a big attack, thats what they want. Israel will have their one big attack and be out of money, then the will come to the US and ask for more money.
Iran and Iraq fought to a stalemate. Iraq had a slight edge in the air. lol

If nothing else the IAF f-15s and F-16s will swat any thing the iranian are able to get off the ground.
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keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military. and you do not need a degree in military science to know that it is easier to hold a strategic position then to take one.

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Wow. You going to fight with your country, you little pussy?
He might be good at bringing up the rear of a line of 10-year-old Iranian kids roped together as part of a human wave attack. That tactic worked so well during the Iran-Iraq War, the stupid Iranian fucks would probably be willing to give it another try. First though, they would have to get their wave to the Israeli border. That should be fun to watch.
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All the way up to day 5. LMAO!!!
You have to keep in mind the technology advances though. The new class of rocks fly up to 8' higher and 30' further making them a formidable opponent to the well equipped Israeli Air Force.

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I would think Israel's main goal would be to just knock out as much shit as possible including the nuclear facilities in a week or so from the air and be done. No need to occupy or try to win the hearts and minds of the people in Iran. Just set them back 10-12 years.
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Big difference here. Israel won't care who they kill. We were discretionary and careful about where we hit. Israel won't be. I think you're dead wrong here. Israel won't pussyfoot around. If they do hit Iran, it will be hard.
lets say that is true, and they kill every person they see in a war with them. That puts us in a bad situation, where we now would have to either stand with them and their tactics, or take all aid from them as punishment. Now you all think Obama will not back Israel, and if they do as you say he has an out and comes out looking better than when he went in.

the world is waiting for our big F up, at which time they can "cash in" on the loans and put us in a situation we might not be able to get out of.

if Israel kills everything it encounters we will be forced to do to him as we did Saddam, were going to do to Hitler, and any other leader that killed with no regards.

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lets say that is true, and they kill every person they see in a war with them. That puts us in a bad situation, where we now would have to either stand with them and their tactics, or take all aid from them as punishment. Now you all think Obama will not back Israel, and if they do as you say he has an out and comes out looking better than when he went in.

the world is waiting for our big F up, at which time they can "cash in" on the loans and put us in a situation we might not be able to get out of.

if Israel kills everything it encounters we will be forced to do to him as we did Saddam, were going to do to Hitler, and any other leader that killed with no regards.
Dude, Let me lay it out for you...
Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.

The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.

Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living in Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?

Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....


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Dude, Let me lay it out for you...
Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.

The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.

Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living is Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?

Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....


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lets say that is true, and they kill every person they see in a war with them. That puts us in a bad situation, where we now would have to either stand with them and their tactics, or take all aid from them as punishment. Now you all think Obama will not back Israel, and if they do as you say he has an out and comes out looking better than when he went in.

the world is waiting for our big F up, at which time they can "cash in" on the loans and put us in a situation we might not be able to get out of.

if Israel kills everything it encounters we will be forced to do to him as we did Saddam, were going to do to Hitler, and any other leader that killed with no regards.
Obama will back Israel or he won't be president anymore. I know it sounds crazy but the Jews run this bitch, they really do.

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I would think Israel's main goal would be to just knock out as much shit as possible including the nuclear facilities in a week or so from the air and be done. No need to occupy or try to win the hearts and minds of the people in Iran. Just set them back 10-12 years.
That's exactly right. Iran is one strike away from being crippled to the point it would take 100's of years to even get back where they are now. Israel doesn't want any land other than what is rightfully theirs.
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Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.

The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.

Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living in Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?

Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....
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I actually think Israel would nuke the major population centers of Iran, or any other Islamic country, if pushed too hard. Netanyahu is as hard line as they come in mainstream Israeli politics, and the IDF are some of the saltiest motherfuckers on the planet. They held off overwhelming majorities in various wars in 2 decades in what is, geographically speaking, definitely not a strategic position. On top of that, at the time, they weren't anywhere near as well funded as the people attacking them. Now that they're better equipped than their agressors, and have captured some much more defensible territories, as well as developed border walls and proper buffer zones, they have even less to worry about.

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i do not believe israel will try to kill civilians . they will strike the threats to them and nothing more. if iran is dumb enough ( and we know how stupid they are ) to retaliate then the second strike will all but cripple them. no way in hell will israel not have the funds or equipment to handle it . it's time for something to be done about iran and north korea . diplomacy has done nothing but the bottom line is they can not be allowed to have nukes . it's time to isolate their ass until they agree to live in peace .

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i do not believe israel will try to kill civilians . they will strike the threats to them and nothing more. if iran is dumb enough ( and we know how stupid they are ) to retaliate then the second strike will all but cripple them. no way in hell will israel not have the funds or equipment to handle it . it's time for something to be done about iran and north korea . diplomacy has done nothing but the bottom line is they can not be allowed to have nukes . it's time to isolate their ass until they agree to live in peace .
Agree to live in peace? What? Is it Iran that's going around flexing their muscles looking for a fight? Israel is the one that refuses to live in peace. If they want to live in the peace you speak of, then they must also rid themselves of nuclear weapons just as they request of Iran. There isn't even any evidence of Iran actually even possessing any of this certain kind of weapon. Who's the aggressor here? Really?

They have no right to tell any people to rid themselves of any kind of weapon which they themselves also possess, especially when there's no proof that they actually have them. That's absolutely ludicrous. How's that logic sound?

What gives them the right to possess these weapons and not everybody else in the region? I know it's not Yahweh that would have it that way..

A shitstorm would erupt, the likes of which this planet and its inhabitants have never seen, if Israel were to actually walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk. They know it's not just Iran they would be fighting if it were to come down to them actually backing up their shit talk. Russia, China, I'm betting any major country in the region that's not in the pocket of the United States would be willing to help take down an evil zionist regime presiding over otherwise kind and decent people in Israel. Israelis are not the problem, I love Jews, their government is what is evil. They are the real aggressor here, not Iran. Admittedly, provocative statements have come from Tehran, but anything they have said has been retaliatory and spun, mixed, and mis-translated with regard to creating propaganda, lies, and misinformation. The amount of misinformation that has been spread is mind-blowing. You just soak it right up as if if were the truth, so quick to hate and despise a rich Iranian culture of kind and decent people that are otherwise unwilling to take part in the evil process of politics.

You've been had.

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Agree to live in peace? What? Is it Iran that's going around flexing their muscles looking for a fight? Israel is the one that refuses to live in peace. If they want to live in the peace you speak of, then they must also rid themselves of nuclear weapons just as they request of Iran. There isn't even any evidence of Iran actually even possessing any of this certain kind of weapon. Who's the aggressor here? Really?

They have no right to tell any people to rid themselves of any kind of weapon which they themselves also possess, especially when there's no proof that they actually have them. That's absolutely ludicrous. How's that logic sound?

What gives them the right to possess these weapons and not everybody else in the region? I know it's not Yahweh that would have it that way..

A shitstorm would erupt, the likes of which this planet and its inhabitants have never seen, if Israel were to actually walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk. They know it's not just Iran they would be fighting if it were to come down to them actually backing up their shit talk. Russia, China, I'm betting any major country in the region that's not in the pocket of the United States would be willing to help take down an evil zionist regime presiding over otherwise kind and decent people in Israel. Israelis are not the problem, I love Jews, their government is what is evil. They are the real aggressor here, not Iran. Admittedly, provocative statements have come from Tehran, but anything they have said has been retaliatory and spun, mixed, and mis-translated with regard to creating propaganda, lies, and misinformation. The amount of misinformation that has been spread is mind-blowing. You just soak it right up as if if were the truth, so quick to hate and despise a rich Iranian culture of kind and decent people that are otherwise unwilling to take part in the evil process of politics.

You've been had.
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Dude, Let me lay it out for you...
Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.
You care to back up that last statement? What evidence do you have to justify saying something so outlandish? Really, what evidence? What makes you think that to be true? Surely there must be some proof... I'm gonna lean toward there being absolutely nothing to back up that crap, just blind hate and intolerance.

Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to stamp out Zionism, not Jews, not Judaism, just oppressive apartheid governments that think jewish shit does not stink. They see the zionist regime in Tel Aviv as oppressive, evil, and tyrannical, and they are tired of having to fight to live. The only way they see fit, for some reason, is killing Jewish civilians in order to influence the government of Israel to change their policy toward their neighbors. These people kill because they are just as misguided as you. Plain and simple.


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The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?
Radical Jihadis? People are not motivated to kill for no reason, thatMaybe you've never heard of Irgun. I strongly suggest you type that word into your little search bar.

Many of Israels opponents do not want to destroy Israel, wipe it off the map, or even kill any Jews. Somewhere along the line you missed that simple fact, the problem they have is with the Israeli GOVERNMENT, not its people. For some, the people that live there are alot more accessible as a target than the government, and it's a quick and easy way of satisfying their need to be understood. I do not agree with their justification for murder, but I can deduce the reasons they might have for committing such an evil act. The same line of reasoning you're putting forth is moving them to kill innocent people. As part of my morality, I don't condone any killing whatsoever, but the bottom line is, I can see why they're doing it. They might be reacting in the complete wrong way, but it's only in retaliation to the wrongs bestowed upon them. Take the time to see all the arguments surrounding the conflict, not just one side, only then will you be able to rationally analyze the situation at hand.

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Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.
It most definitely has not. Do you believe everything you're told?

The Iranian president, regardless of how bad of a person you all might think he is because of the amount of spin and intentional mistranslation that has emanated from the interpretation of his words, actually said that he "wished for the zionist regime in Israel to vanish from the pages of time". That's a FAR stretch to take it to the point of accusing him of calling for the destruction of Israel.

I fully believe that if it were not for the radical zionists in power in Israel over the years, then the region would actually me experiencing peace right now. This is no justification for what they have done to try and solve the problem, but I can still see why they're doing it. They have no other option.

Regarding the holocaust, I believe it was a not a complete out-and-out denial of the holocaust, instead he was outlining the idea that Israel's zionist government thrives off of anti-semitism, and the holocaust represents the largest outward display of anti-semitism in modern times. It's not hard to see that this is one of the main reasons the Jewish state actually came into existence, and that it might have been exaggerated or misrepresented even if only in the slightest. He actually said that the severity and magnitude of the holocaust has been somewhat exaggerated (by the zionists) in order to show how bad the Jews have been treated over the ages, and that they morally deserve to uproot people living on 'their land', possess nuclear weapons, and murder their neighbors.

He said the holocaust was exaggerated and sensationalized in order to push Israeli policy, not that the holocaust never happened. If you cared enough about fact-checking the media, and not using their propaganda as premises to your arguments, then you might know alot more about how complex this problem actually is.

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Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living in Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?
What history? This argument represents the central crux of their justification for an attack on innocent Iranians. There have been no outward military displays against Israel, no widespread aggression. Maybe you should see how many Jews living in Israel are first and second generation migrants who have Persian blood flowing through their veins.

You continually forget that it is Israel who has these nuclear weapons themselves, and what gives them the right to possess them and not anybody else? Logic defies you..

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Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....
If they did that, it'd be suicide. Israel, Britain, and the United States can not take over the entire world. At some point, the illuminati will have to fall.

I agree with your first statement, but the fundamental inversion. Sooner or later, it's going to come down to whether Israel even exists or not. The Israeli government is bad for Israel, it does not represent popular opinion. Instead, it sensationalizes rocket attacks in order to justify senseless killing of innocents. As I've stated before, numerous times, I am all for a peaceful Israeli government, and for Judaism, which I have qualms with on different grounds; but at some point someone's gotta stop the madness. It's high time that the people of Israel stand up for themselves and oust this tyrannical government and its supporters out of the decision-making chair, as the fate of its civilian population is in jeopardy. There is no way that a country as small as Israel can take down a country that is literally more than 200 times its size. Not even with these United States backing them, which is all but impossible given the giant Israel would be up against. Add on top of that Russia, and maybe China--and that sounds like a hell of an ass-whoopin that only your little saviour Jesus H. Christ will have to turn around. Perhaps that's what they want though, to hasten the second coming so that they all get sucked up into heaven. Little do they know or expect though, that if what they believe to be true about prophecy actually is true, that they (zionists) will all be going straight to hell for what they have done in God's name.

That would be epic.

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