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Even flaming liberal michael moore gets it now

I never thought i'd see the day when michael moore would write something like this. It's got to be damn bad when even the flaming liberals are writing pieces like this about obama.

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"We the People" to "King of the World": "YOU'RE FIRED!" ...a letter from Michael Moore

Friends,

Nothing like it has ever happened. The President of the United States, the elected representative of the people, has just told the head of General Motors -- a company that's spent more years at #1 on the Fortune 500 list than anyone else -- "You're fired!"

I simply can't believe it. This stunning, unprecedented action has left me speechless for the past two days. I keep saying, "Did Obama really fire the chairman of General Motors? The wealthiest and most powerful corporation of the 20th century? Can he do that? Really? Well, damn! What else can he do?!"

This bold move has sent the heads of corporate America spinning and spewing pea soup. Obama has issued this edict: The government of, by, and for the people is in charge here, not big business. John McCain got it. On the floor of the Senate he asked, "What does this signal send to other corporations and financial institutions about whether the federal government will fire them as well?" Senator Bob Corker said it "should send a chill through all Americans who believe in free enterprise." The stock market plunged as the masters of the universe asked themselves, "Am I next?" And they whispered to each other, "What are we going to do about this Obama?"

Not much, fellows. He has the massive will of the American people behind him -- and he has been granted permission by us to do what he sees fit. If you liked this week's all-net 3-pointer, stay tuned.

I write this letter to you in memory of the hundreds of thousands of workers over the past 25+ years who have been tossed into the trash heap by General Motors. Many saw their lives ruined for good. They turned to alcohol or drugs, their marriages fell apart, some took their own lives. Most moved on, moved out, moved over, moved away. They ended up working two jobs for half the pay they were getting at GM. And they cursed the CEO of GM for bringing ruin to their lives.

Not one of them ever thought that one day they would witness the CEO receive the same treatment. Of course Chairman Wagoner will not have to sign up for food stamps or be evicted from his home or tell his kids they'll be going to the community college, not the university. Instead, he will get a $23 million golden parachute. But the slip in his hands is still pink, just like the hundreds of thousands that others received -- except his was issued by us, via the Obama-man. Here's the door, buster. See ya. Don't wanna be ya.

I began my day today in Washington, D.C. I went to the U.S. Senate and got into their Finance Committee's hearing on the Wall Street bailout. The overseers wanted to know how the banks spent the money. And many of these banks won't tell them. They've taken trillions and nobody knows where the money went. It certainly didn't go to create jobs, relieve mortgage holders, or free up loans that people need. It was so shocking to listen to this, I had to leave before it was over. But it gave me an idea for the movie I was shooting.

Later, I stopped by the National Archives to stand in line to see the original copy of our Constitution. I thought about how twenty years ago this month I was just down the street finishing my first film, a personal plea to warn the nation about GM and the deadly economy it ruled. On that March day in 1989 I was broke, having collected the last of my unemployment checks, relying on help from my friends (Bob and Siri would take me out to dinner and always pick up the check, the assistant manager at the movie theater would sneak me in so I could watch an occasional movie, Laurie and Jack bought an old Steenbeck (editing) machine for me, John Richard would slip me an unused plane ticket so I could go home for Christmas, Rod would do anything for me and drive to Flint whenever I needed something for the film). My late mother (she would've turned 88 tomorrow if she were still with us) and my GM autoworker dad told me in the kitchen they wanted to help and handed me a check for an astounding thousand dollars. I didn't know they even had a thousand dollars. I refused it, they insisted I take it -- "No!" -- and then, in that parental voice, told me I was to cash it so I could finish my movie. I did. And I did.

So on that March day in 1989, as I was driving down Pennsylvania Avenue, my 9-year-old car just died. I coasted over to the curb, put my head down on the steering wheel and started to cry. I had no money to take it in to be repaired, and I certainly had nothing to pay the tow truck driver. So I got out, screwed the license plates off so I wouldn't be fined, turned my back and just left it there for good. I looked over at the building next to me. It said "National Archives." What better place to donate my dead car, I thought, as I walked the rest of the way home.

Though it wasn't easy for me, I still never had to suffer what so many of my friends and neighbors went through, thanks to General Motors and an economic system rigged against them. I wonder what they must have all thought when they woke up this Monday morning to read in the Detroit News or the Detroit Free Press the headlines that Obama had fired the CEO of GM. Oh -- wait a minute. They couldn't read that. There was no Free Press or News. Monday was the day that both papers ended home delivery. It was canceled (as it will be for four days every week) because the daily newspapers, like General Motors, like Detroit, are broke.

I await the President's next superhero move.

Yours,
Michael Moore
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P.S. Please know that it has not been lost on any of us from the Rust Belt how our corporate bigwigs were treated (remember, the auto companies wanted a loan, not a handout) compared to how the titans of Wall Street got trillions of free cash, lunch at the White House and a photo op with the Prez. Trust me, we get it. And, if there is a God in heaven, the thieves of Wall Street will soon pay. Also... the sight of our president having to promise that he would back every GM warranty and give consumers a bonus if they trade in their old Grand Am for a hybrid, was alternately sad, hilarious, and just plain weird. This is what it's come to: the Commander in Chief of the Free World is now Mr. Goodwrench. Jeesh.
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I never thought I'd see the day where mikeb agreed with Moore

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He always turns more conservative when you start talking about Michigan. Watch Roger and Me.
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I never thought the daywould come where I would be able to read from beginning to the end of a MM piece without going WTF is this guy thinking!!!!

Could this be a sign of a turn around of people realizing what Obama really is out to do?

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Wow...I agree with the fat POS for once.

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april fools joke?
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Haha. One would think so. It's a brilliant piece of literature and I don't expect that out of him.

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Haha. One would think so. It's a brilliant piece of literature and I don't expect that out of him.
Dammit..I hate this fucking day. I hope it's real.

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This might be his own April Fools joke but it is posted on his web site.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/
I can't believe I went to his web site I need a shower now.

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Could be legit. "Roger and Me" was a pretty damn good movie about GM and Michigan's relationship.

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Could be legit. "Roger and Me" was a pretty damn good movie about GM and Michigan's relationship.
i don't remember it, but gpamp told me that he was pretty hard on clinton in "bowling for columbine".
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Maybe ya’ll should read it again. He’s not complaining – he’s reveling in Obama’s assault on capitalism.




The government of, by, and for the people is in charge here, not big business….





The stock market plunged as the masters of the universe asked themselves, "Am I next?" And they whispered to each other, "What are we going to do about this Obama?"

Not much, fellows. He has the massive will of the American people behind him -- and he has been granted permission by us to do what he sees fit. If you liked this week's all-net 3-pointer, stay tuned….





But the slip in his (Wagoner’s) hands is still pink, just like the hundreds of thousands that others received -- except his was issued by us, via the Obama-man. Here's the door, buster. See ya. Don't wanna be ya.





I still never had to suffer what so many of my friends and neighbors went through, thanks to General Motors and an economic system rigged against them.





I await the President's next superhero move.
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If you read the PS and go back and read what you've highlighted, it looks like he's being sarcastic and mocking Obama.


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I was thinking the same thing blownragtop. I'm not sure I agree with Obama having a hand in the private sector like he does, nor MM's approval of the fact.
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I read it as anti GM as well. Maybe my fever is making me read it wrong
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I read it as anti GM as well. Maybe my fever is making me read it wrong
I think he's riding the fence a little. Obama is his kind of guy, but it does seem like he recognizes the danger in the government owning everything . If any of you wasted your time to see his movie "Sicko" he's outright clamoring for the US to move in a socialist direction by showing how wonderful things are in France and Cuba.
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I read it as anti GM as well. Maybe my fever is making me read it wrong
No… you’ve got it exactly right. It’s definitely anti-GM – because Moore is anti-capitalist. Obama’s ‘bold’ move to fire the head of an American icon of industrial might IS unprecedented. In the interest of economic growth government has typically been pro-business (i.e. “What's good for General Motors is good for the country”) and anti-labor (strike breaking). Obama’s intrusion into private industry represents a paradigm shift with disturbing implications for the future.

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In reading that I don't think MM's views have changed. I can't believe that he actually thinks that Obama firing Wagoner was a moral victory for all the people who have been done wrong by GM. Last I checked ,Wagoner will have a about 23million more dollars than all the people who have been let go and 23 million reasons not to care what happens....Hopefully, Wagoner got a letter from Obama to guarantee the severance, if not he better collect all he can before the Chapter 11 filing.
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It seems like it started as anti Obama then switched to Anti GM and big business.
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Michael Moore is a fucking suppository!
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Interesting. I'm skeptical, but if it's legit then he's a beacon of hope that even a crazy ass liberal can have a moment of clarity.

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Brad told me the letter was Moore, mad at Obama. I finally read it, and I don't think that's what it is at all. I think its him, praising Obama for firing a guy who's shipped millions of workers jobs to Mexico, finally getting his. The "Roger" in Roger & Me was then CEO of GM, Roger Smith. He was pissed that he had made Flint Michigan a shithole by laying everyone off and moving the assembly to Mexico.

I think he's glad that Obama tossed the GM CEO on his ass.
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You guys don't get it do you? When Clinton was in office, Moore was just as abrasive about Clinton policies, he just wasn't as "main stream" as he is now. Basically because the media wouldn't give him an audience until he started bashing Bush.

It's all a bit with Moore.

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I would say the letter has more of an anti-GM tone than being upset with Obama with the exception of the sarcastic PS. Even then, I think it's a jab at Wall Street moreso than Obama. IMO, everyone is blowing it out of proportion. Do I think the Executive Office should've forced him out? No. Do I think we should've given GM a dime? No. That being said, we did give them money. GM basically entered into a loan agreement/contract the same as each of us that own a home with a mortgage. If the mortgage company for my house demands to see my home insurance policy, I have to comply. If they say my coverage isn't enough, I have to see that it is, or I'm in violation of the mortgage. I must abide by all of the stipulations of my loan, or I run the risk of losing my home. If GM didn't want to have to play by the rules set forth from D.C., then they shouldn't have accepted the loan/gift from the creditor (our government). Being that they did, they should expect to have some demands come from the creditor. If they don't want to meet them, they can repay the money and exit the contract/agreement.

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Brad told me the letter was Moore, mad at Obama. I finally read it, and I don't think that's what it is at all. I think its him, praising Obama for firing a guy who's shipped millions of workers jobs to Mexico, finally getting his. The "Roger" in Roger & Me was then CEO of GM, Roger Smith. He was pissed that he had made Flint Michigan a shithole by laying everyone off and moving the assembly to Mexico.

I think he's glad that Obama tossed the GM CEO on his ass.
P.S. Please know that it has not been lost on any of us from the Rust Belt how our corporate bigwigs were treated (remember, the auto companies wanted a loan, not a handout) compared to how the titans of Wall Street got trillions of free cash, lunch at the White House and a photo op with the Prez. Trust me, we get it. And, if there is a God in heaven, the thieves of Wall Street will soon pay. Also... the sight of our president having to promise that he would back every GM warranty and give consumers a bonus if they trade in their old Grand Am for a hybrid, was alternately sad, hilarious, and just plain weird. This is what it's come to: the Commander in Chief of the Free World is now Mr. Goodwrench. Jeesh.


Looks to me like hes a little fed up with the damn power trip this man is own. I think what he is saying the man his getting to big for his britches. BTW your boy Clinton is the one that signed into law NAFTA which allowed (urged) him to send those jobs to Mexico.

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The "Roger" in Roger & Me was then CEO of GM, Roger Smith. He was pissed that he had made Flint Michigan a shithole by laying everyone off and moving the assembly to Mexico.

I think he's glad that Obama tossed the GM CEO on his ass.
Yeah MM is certainly an authority on GM and Flint, Michigan; He worked at GM part of one whole day! And he isn't from Flint, but he falsely claims Flint as his hometown to legitimize his bullshit propaganda.

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a true liberal would want the government spending money on GM
a true conservative would want the government to cut spending on GM

its not Moore who is switching sides...

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Maybe ya’ll should read it again. He’s not complaining – he’s reveling in Obama’s assault on capitalism.

The government of, by, and for the people is in charge here, not big business….

The stock market plunged as the masters of the universe asked themselves, "Am I next?" And they whispered to each other, "What are we going to do about this Obama?"

Not much, fellows. He has the massive will of the American people behind him -- and he has been granted permission by us to do what he sees fit. If you liked this week's all-net 3-pointer, stay tuned….

But the slip in his (Wagoner’s) hands is still pink, just like the hundreds of thousands that others received -- except his was issued by us, via the Obama-man. Here's the door, buster. See ya. Don't wanna be ya.

I still never had to suffer what so many of my friends and neighbors went through, thanks to General Motors and an economic system rigged against them.

I await the President's next superhero move.
I agree, I dont see it as Anti-Obama at all... sounds to me like he is praising him for doing it and hoping he does it to other companies... Moore is is a clueless idiot...
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