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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-30-2009, 07:25 PM Thread Starter
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do you think we should be concerned with this nut in North Korea?

threatening two missile 'test' launches in the upcoming weeks? What do you think?

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea said on Thursday that if the international community punishes it for next month's planned missile launch it will restart a nuclear plant that makes weapons grade plutonium.

The secretive state this week put a long-range missile in place for a launch the United States warned would violate U.N. sanctions imposed on Pyongyang for past weapons tests.

The planned launch, seen by some countries as a disguised military exercise, is the first big test for U.S. President Barack Obama in dealing with the prickly North, whose efforts to build a nuclear arsenal have long plagued ties with Washington.

North Korea warned that any action by the U.N. Security Council to punish it would be a "hostile act."

"... All the processes for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula ... will be brought back to what used to be before their start and necessary strong measures will be taken, "the North's foreign ministry spokesman said in comments carried by the official KCNA news agency.

North Korea has frozen its aging nuclear reactor and started to take apart its Yongbyon atomic plant under a deal signed by regional powers in 2005 that called for economic aid and better diplomatic standing for the isolated North in return. Despite the agreement, the North carried out a nuclear test in 2006.

The South Korean daily Chosun Ilbo quoted a diplomatic source as saying the North could fire its Taepodong-2 missile, which has the range to hit U.S. territory, by the weekend.

This is earlier than the April 4-8 timeframe Pyongyang announced for what it says is the launch of a satellite.

"Technically a launch is possible within three to four days," the Chosun Ilbo quoted a diplomatic source in Seoul as saying.

The U.S. State Department said top nuclear envoys from Japan, South Korea and the United States will meet in Washington on Friday in a signal of growing concern over the possible launch.

U.S. diplomats responsible for the North Korea nuclear dossier will meet the Japanese and South Korean envoys separately and then all three parties could meet informally, spokesman Gordon Duguid said.

The White House said a missile launch by Pyongyang would be "provocative" and in violation of United Nations resolutions. The U.S. Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, said that a North Korean missile launch would risk international condemnation or "worse," told reporters in Washington.

South Korea said the launch would be a serious challenge to security in north Asia, which accounts for one sixth of the global economy. Japan urged North Korea to refrain from action that would destabilize the region.

"We strongly urge the North to immediately stop the launch of a long-range missile, which would be a clear violation of the U.N. Security Council resolution 1718," South Korean Defense Ministry spokesman Won Tae-jae told reporters.

On Wednesday, a U.S. counter-proliferation official told Reuters that North Korea appeared to have positioned the rocket on its launch pad.

Another U.S. official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said North Korea had placed together two stages of what is expected to be a three-stage rocket.

Once it has been positioned, North Korea will need several days to fuel the rocket which could, in theory, carry a warhead as far as Alaska. The only previous test of the rocket in 2006 ended in failure when it blew apart seconds after lift-off.

South Korea plans to dispatch an advanced destroyer capable of tracking and shooting down missiles to waters off the east coast, Yonhap news agency quoted government sources as saying.

The planned launch and growing tension on the Korean peninsula are beginning to worry financial markets in the South, although so far there has been only minor impact.

"If they really fire something, it would definitely shake the financial markets, but only briefly, as has been the case in many previous cases of provocation and clashes," said Jung Sung-min, a fixed-income analyst at Eugene Futures.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, during a visit to Mexico, said on Wednesday the launch would deal a blow to six-party talks to end Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program.

Those talks sputtered to a halt in December over disagreement on how to check the North was disabling its nuclear facilities.

Pyongyang repeated its threat on Thursday to quit the six-party talks, which also involve South Korea, Russia, Japan, the United States and China, if it was punished.

CHINA TO BLOCK MORE SANCTIONS?

North Korea faces a range of U.N. sanctions and many analysts doubt new ones would get past China -- the nearest Pyongyang has to a powerful ally -- in the Security Council.

China, sticking to its low-key approach, said it hoped all "relevant parties will remain restrained and calm."

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov cautioned the international community against making rash decisions.

"Do not try to make evaluations before events have occurred," he said in Moscow, while noting U.N. Security Council resolutions should be adhered to.

A successful launch would be a huge boost at home to leader Kim Jong-il, whose illness last year -- widely thought to have been a stroke -- has raised questions over his grip on power.

North Korea has given international agencies notice of the rocket's planned trajectory that would take it over Japan, dropping booster stages to its east and west.

The U.S. military has said it could with "high probability" intercept any North Korean missile heading for U.S. territory, if ordered to do so. Pyongyang says any attempt to shoot down the rocket would be an act of war.
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post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-30-2009, 08:10 PM
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I hope their rocket engineering is better than their other shit, or they're done.

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post #3 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-30-2009, 11:04 PM
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The real threat is that china will stand behind them. This allows the nutjob leader to run his mouth.

What really needs to happen is that someone needs to shoot down their rocket, followed up by a bombing run on their nuclear reactor. Then if he gets froggy do some carpet bombing on the dmz and into N. Korea and thin down their troops. Remove his bargaining chips.
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Concerned about his aspirations, yes. Concerned about the upcoming missile launch, no.

Japan missile defense batteries are cocked and loaded. The U.S. Navy has destroyers in the Sea of Japan with their finger on the trigger.

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The real threat is that china will stand behind them. This allows the nutjob leader to run his mouth.

What really needs to happen is that someone needs to shoot down their rocket, followed up by a bombing run on their nuclear reactor. Then if he gets froggy do some carpet bombing on the dmz and into N. Korea and thin down their troops. Remove his bargaining chips.
China ain't gonna back a damn thing up if they don't let that Chinese reporter go. They're fucking PISSED about that.

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post #6 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-31-2009, 01:28 AM
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The Japanese aren't very happy about it.

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TOKYO, March 31 (Xinhua) -- Japanese parliament unanimously adopted a resolution Tuesday urging Pyongyang to abstain from launching a rocket.

The resolution adopted by the House of Councilors and the House of Representatives states that the launch would "damage peace and stability not only in Japan but also in northeast Asia" and "simply cannot be tolerated and Japan will demonstrate its firm protest against the notice of the launch," according to Kyodo News.

It also urged the Japanese government "to cooperate with other countries in the world to continue urging the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) to refrain from launching the missile" and the Pyongyang "to listen sincerely to voices of the international community."

Pyongyang said it will put a satellite into orbit between April4 and 8. However some countries including Japan, the United Stated and South Korea believed it is a test of a Taepodong-2 long-range missile.

Japan has deployed anti-missile systems to shoot down the rocket in the event it falls towards Japanese territory.
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By treaty though, Japan, I believe, can't do any kind of first strike. They're only allowed to operate defensively.

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post #8 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-31-2009, 08:11 AM
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if a state of war were to exist in korea, millions of north koreans would attempt to flea to china. but china will not let them in, and would likely mow them down with machine guns at the boarder.

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Seoul would cease to exist in a matter of hours in the event of an all out war. About the only thing the North has is artillery and they have tons of it aimed right at Seoul.

As for the problem with the launch is that it's a 3 stage rocket. The first stage detaches off the western coast of Japan and the second on the eastern coast. Japan obviously has reasons to be worried since this is alleged to really be an ICBM.
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post #10 of 29 (permalink) Old 03-31-2009, 10:47 AM
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I wonder if these will "fail" and fall into the Sea of Japan like those seven launches from a few years back.

I'm convinced we laser'd them right out of the sky with satellites. I'll be interested to see what happens with this series of tests.

Japan may have a treaty that stops them from attacking unless attacked. Okay, so infer from missile launches that you are being attacked.
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I wonder if these will "fail" and fall into the Sea of Japan like those seven launches from a few years back.

I'm convinced we laser'd them right out of the sky with satellites. I'll be interested to see what happens with this series of tests.

Japan may have a treaty that stops them from attacking unless attacked. Okay, so infer from missile launches that you are being attacked.

If they are attacked we are bound by the same treaty to defend them militarily. Meaning if Japan deems it as an attack we'd be at war with North Korea immediately, eventually bringing China into the fray along with Taiwan.
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N Korea is a joke beyond some sort of human wave attack on the South. Besides that they got nothing. They can barely keep the lights on.
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N Korea is a joke beyond some sort of human wave attack on the South. Besides that they got nothing. They can barely keep the lights on.
True, they have 1/5 of the military power and absolutely zero economy to support a war effort. Like I said though they have tons of artillery 20-25 miles away from Seoul, easily within range. Even with conventional weapons they'd inflict massive casualties.
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reports say they are fueling it up. i wonder what the response will be?

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Obama has already said what he's gonna do - he's gonna tell on them to the security council of the UN. That will show 'em!
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If it's any indication that were taking them seriously, we had a unit that was supposed to be coming to Iraq. Instead they were diverted to SK for their rotation. AF wise you have a handful of block 5016s units and now all of them except one is in that region at the moment. My take is that China could still swing either way. As for Japan it is true that they can't create Offensive military capabilites on thier own. That's why were there still. Amongst other reasons.

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post #17 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-03-2009, 05:11 AM
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reports say they are fueling it up. i wonder what the response will be?
Yep. On the pad and ready to go. It's a big subject with the military-folk here right now.
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True, they have 1/5 of the military power and absolutely zero economy to support a war effort. Like I said though they have tons of artillery 20-25 miles away from Seoul, easily within range. Even with conventional weapons they'd inflict massive casualties.
South Korea will be hurt for sure, no matter what... but they're not going much further than that.
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Obama has already said what he's gonna do - he's gonna tell on them to the security council of the UN. That will show 'em!
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post #20 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-03-2009, 06:50 AM
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The Japanese aren't very happy about it.
As well they are entitled to be, since a nuclear-armed North Korea is in their backyard and they have experienced firsthand the effects of a nuclear strike upon their homeland.
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North Korea is claiming it to be a satellite or did I hear that wrong?

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I have a good source telling me that there are six or more SM-3s in the Sea of Japan at this moment.

This person worked to develop the third stage of these. He can't tell me how fast or high they go. Maybe we will find out.
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Obama has already said what he's gonna do - he's gonna tell on them to the security council of the UN. That will show 'em!
What should his response be? They have nothing we want or need????? Any type of military action by us and the entire place would turn into a zoo.
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North Korea is claiming it to be a satellite or did I hear that wrong?
They are, in similar fashion to Iran's claim that its' nuclear program is only to provide fuel for generating electricity.
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Kim Jong Il will be dead within the year.
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They just lit off the first one....
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They just lit off the first one....
... that made it over Japan and into the Pacific. Hmmm. While everyone stood there and watched.

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Tokyo deployed warships and Patriot missile interceptors off its northern coast to shoot down any debris that the North said might fall over the area.

U.S. and South Korean warships equipped with missile interceptors also plied the waters between the Korean peninsula and Japan to monitor the launch.

Russia, meanwhile, scrambled fighter jets to its Far East in case any debris hits its territory, Russian news reports said.
Why do all that just to watch them do what they want anyway?
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North Korea knows that the UN and the US will not do shit right now about them . We have two wars we cannot afford right now going on and a weak leader pandering to the Chinese and Russian governments .
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They know nothing will happen thats why they went ahead with it. UN is a joke always has been.

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