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Obama asserts gov't control over the auto industry

Isn't it just surreal to watch the fall of capitalism unfold in such a short time and so profoundly?


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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent David Espo, Ap Special Correspondent – 13 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama asserted unprecedented government control over the auto industry Monday, bluntly rejecting turnaround plans by General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC, demanding fresh concessions for long-term federal aid and raising the possibility of quick bankruptcy for either ailing auto giant.

Obama took the extraordinary step of announcing the government will back new car warranties issued by both GM and Chrysler, an attempt to reassure consumers their U.S.-made purchases will be protected even if the companies don't survive.

"I am absolutely committed to working with Congress and the auto companies to meet one goal: The United States of America will lead the world in building the next generation of clean cars," Obama said in his first extended remarks on the industry since taking office nearly 10 weeks ago. And yet, he added, "our auto industry is not moving in the right direction fast enough to succeed."

Obama, flanked by several administration officials at the White House, announced a short-term infusion of cash for the firms, and said it could be the last for one or both.

Chrysler, judged by the administration as too small to survive, got 30 days' worth of funds to complete a partnership with Fiat SpA, the Italian manufacturer, or some other automaker.

GM got assurances of 60 days' worth of federal financing to try and revise its turnaround plan under new management with heavy government participation. That would involve concessions from its union workers and bondholders. The administration engineered the ouster of longtime CEO Rick Wagoner over the weekend, an indication of its deep involvement in an industry that once stood as a symbol of American capitalism.

Obama's announcement underscored the extent to which automakers have been added to the list of large corporations now operating under a level of government control that seemed unthinkable less than a year ago. Since last fall, the Bush and Obama administrations, often acting in concert with the Federal Reserve, have engineered the takeover of housing titans Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, seized a large stake in several banks and installed a new CEO at bailed-out insurance giant American International Group.

The latest addition to the list, the once-proud auto industry, has struggled with foreign competition for more than a generation, then was further battered by the recession and credit crisis gripping the economy. Obama said 400,000 industry jobs have been lost in the past year alone, many in Michigan.

Under Fritz Henderson, newly named as CEO, General Motors issued a statement saying it hopes to avoid bankruptcy, but will "take whatever steps are necessary to successfully restructure the company, which could include a court-supervised process."

Chrysler Chairman Bob Nardelli sought to assure customers, dealers, suppliers and employees that the automaker "will operate 'business as usual' over the next 30 days" while working closely with the government and Fiat to secure the support of stakeholders.

Sergio Marchionne, CEO of Fiat, issued a statement calling the Obama administration's involvement "tough but fair, and we believe we will arrive at a result that will establish a credible future for this crucial industrial sector and that assigns the right priority to the repayment of U.S. taxpayers' funds."

Fiat executives have talked to administration officials about a proposal to acquire a 35 percent stake in Chrysler in exchange for small car technology, transmissions and other items that Chrysler has valued at $8-$10 billion.

There was no immediate response from the United AutoWorkers Union. One worker, Don Thompson, 56, of Chesterfield Township in Michigan, said automakers were being punished because of public anger over the banking bailout. "They're using us for the mistakes they've made in Washington," he said.

Other workers alleged a double standard in how Washington dealt with Wagoner, as opposed to CEOs of bailed-out banks. "They're using him as a fall guy," said Frank Rowser, financial secretary for UAW Local 909.

When Wagoner leaves the automaker, he will take a financial package worth an estimated $23 million.

Ford Motor Co., the third member of the Big Three, has not requested federal bailout funds.

Obama said bankruptcy would be a way for either GM or Chrysler to "quickly clear away old debts that are weighing them down so they can get back on their feet," and stressed that either firm would remain open.

"What I am not talking about is a process where a company is broken up, sold off and no longer exists. And what I am not talking about is having a company stuck in court for years, unable to get out," he said.

Still, fears about the industry's future sent stocks plummeting, with the Dow Jones industrial average losing about 254 points. GM plunged 92 cents, or 25.4 percent, to $2.70. Chrysler is not publicly traded.

Obama's remarks were prompted by the expiration of a temporary bailout approved by the Bush administration last winter, with $17 billion in federal funds to help GM and Chrysler survive. Under its terms, the two automakers had until March 31 to submit restructuring plans as it searched for additional federal funds.

At the time, it appeared Bush had avoided an industry collapse on his watch yet had deferred the most difficult decisions for his successor.

By his comments, Obama bought himself a little more time, but made it clear it was fast running out. "Now is the time to confront our problems head-on and do what's necessary to solve them," he said.

The administration issued papers detailing the prospects for survival of both GM and Chrysler, credited them with making difficult choices, yet also stressing the difficulties that remain.

It said that while GM's new car of the future, the Volt, "holds promise, it will likely be too expensive to be commercially successful in the short run."

The government has said it's willing to provide another $6 billion in financing for Chrysler if it is able to finalize an alliance with Italy's Fiat Group SpA. But to get the money, Chrysler must rid its balance sheet of most of its debt, including any investment by its private owners.

That means Chrysler's majority owner, Cerberus Capital Management LP, would have to give up the $1 billion interest it has in the automaker, according to a person briefed on the deal. The person asked not to be identified because terms are still being negotiated.

Cerberus would retain ownership in Chrysler's financial arm, but it has pledged to the government the first $2 billion in profits to repay a federal cash infusion, the person said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090330/...wh/obama_autos

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yeah, its getting really scary, its never good when one person thinks they know whats best for everyone. He thinks he can fix everything and we should just accept whatever he comes up with. Not good

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Are you sure it isnt going to be Baijiu?

I cant believe he is getting away with this shit completely unchecked. Where the hell is Dan Rather and all those other mf'ers that were so busy chasing down Bush's irrevelant military records?

How in the hell is he getting away with this?
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Wow.... socialism in the auto industry now. Obama = :j ester:
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ehhhh, it's not that big of a deal to me and I think you can look at it any way you feel. Be honest, if you hate Obama you can say he's acting like a dictator or if you're pro-Obama then you say about time we hold these CEO's accountable. I just wish this were an across the board type deal where any company that gets bailout money every exec. gets shown the door. Fuck these guys and the horse they rode in on. There are plenty more ivy league spineless rats who can do a mediocre job that will start tomorrow. Enough of these guy get sent packing and the next ones might think a little more before they sign off on next year's bonus program.
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Are you sure it isnt going to be Baijiu?

I cant believe he is getting away with this shit completely unchecked. Where the hell is Dan Rather and all those other mf'ers that were so busy chasing down Bush's irrevelant military records?

How in the hell is he getting away with this?

No Shit.

I can't think of one Government program that actually works as intended. Now the Great Obamaninator wants to tell the auto industry how to do things?????

And, as stated, why do the heads of AIG, BoA, etc get to not only keep their execs, but actually pay a "retention" bonus to the schmucks that got us into this mess in the first plase.

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the management at GM and chrysler ran those companies into the ground, and when their business were on the verge of collapse they begged the government for help, and the government agreed to give them the money as long the government could have some control and tell them how to run the company, after all its our money. this was done by the previous administration.

in my opinion, they gave up their right to free market capitalism when they begged and accepted money from the government.

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Who is Obama to determine what the consumer will buy? How about letting us make that choice, Fucko?
If small, POS, efficient cars that lack the power to win a soap box derby race are what people want, then they'll buy them! But I think with fuel prices falling and hybrids/small cars sitting on the lot it is pretty clear what people would rather have.

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Who is Obama to determine what the consumer will buy? How about letting us make that choice, Fucko?
If small, POS, efficient cars that lack the power to win a soap box derby race are what people want, then they'll buy them! But I think with fuel prices falling and hybrids/small cars sitting on the lot it is pretty clear what people would rather have.
They can fix that, too.

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Yeah I know, but I think people are hyper-aware right now of what they're doing so a jump to $4.00/gal would lead (hopefully) to heads being served up on a platter.

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This is pretty damn simple, A car company is in business to make and sale cars. Until people start buying cars that are "profitable" to the company they will fail no mater how much money you give them.

The Best solution I see is to.

A. Make a good car or truck that the public wants.

B. Get the EPA of their backs.

C. Don't allow the government to run your company " they fuck most everything up"

D. They Union HAS to give up some ground with workers and retirees as-well.

E. Give the Damn bailout money to the consumer to spend on these cars for down payments, taxes and such. This will produce "good" loans which helps the banks and credit. No financing what you owe from the last car into the new one that's just stupid.

F. Structure executive pay on the profit the company make at the end of the year. I they help the company turn a profit then reward them if not pay them the same as a line worker and maybe they will do better next time.

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if they didnt want the government telling them what to do, then they should have not accepted money from the government.

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if they didnt want the government telling them what to do, then they should have not accepted money from the government.
I would bet the did not have much of a choice, Bank of America was forced to take the first round of money when they were forced to buy WAMU, now they have a-lot of strings with that money. I am not saying they were forced to take it but the government was not going to let the file bankruptcy either.

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they were not forced to do anything, they put them selves into a bad position and choose to do the things they did to stay in business. anyone that gives you money to run a business is going to have some say, if not all the say, in how you run it.

if you are a conservative you sort of have to like this, he basically told them they have 30 days and 60 days to turn things around, or he is going to cut them off.

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they were not forced to do anything, they put them selves into a bad position and choose to do the things they did to stay in business. anyone that gives you money to run a business is going to have some say, if not all the say, in how you run it.

if you are a conservative you sort of have to like this, he basically told them they have 30 days and 60 days to turn things around, or he is going to cut them off.
I wasn't saying they were forced I was saying they did not have much of a choice. The Government was not going to let them fail.

And, how many time are they going to get 30 days and 60 days to turn it around. This is a never ending cycle of government shit and obamas the turd that keeps floating to the top.

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I wasn't saying they were forced I was saying they did not have much of a choice. The Government was not going to let them fail.

And, how many time are they going to get 30 days and 60 days to turn it around. This is a never ending cycle of government shit and obamas the turd that keeps floating to the top.
the whole notion that the government was not going to let the auto makers fail was cooked up by the media. plenty of congressmen were prepared to let them fail, and not a single member of congress, on either side of the isle, was happy giving them money. with respect to Obama, this was not his deal, this auto bail out was set up with the previous administration.

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Yeah, and the housing mess is a result of Bill Clinton's policies set up during his administration. This tradition of blaming the previous administration is childish. Either Obama's policies work (which I hope they do but I don't expect them to), or they don't. He's got a dream Democraptic Congress in his pocket so there will be no one to blame but himself if his proposals fail miserably.
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they were not forced to do anything, they put them selves into a bad position and choose to do the things they did to stay in business. anyone that gives you money to run a business is going to have some say, if not all the say, in how you run it.

if you are a conservative you sort of have to like this, he basically told them they have 30 days and 60 days to turn things around, or he is going to cut them off.
LOL, are you serious???!?! They were forced to take take the money, just like they were forced to build cars to fit the government's CAFE standards. Show me where in the constitution that it says the government has to the power to do this.

I am a conservative, and I don't like one bit of this crap, and I don't think any conservative here does.
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LOL, are you serious???!?! They were forced to take take the money, just like they were forced to build cars to fit the government's CAFE standards. Show me where in the constitution that it says the government has to the power to do this.

I am a conservative, and I don't like one bit of this crap, and I don't think any conservative here does.
forced by who? did the army go in there and take over the place and force them to take the money? NO

the auto makers went to washington and begged for money, and agreed to everything the government wanted, especially give the government control. there were other options, seek investors around the globe but that would mean giving up control of the company to what ever individual or group came up with the funds, and they would want to pay less then your worth. but no, the automakers were greedy, and the deal with the government meant that they had to give up some power in exchange for money, but when they re-payed that money they would get their power back.

now I didnt say it was a good deal if your a conservative, after all in a free market system companies fail and its not the people responsibility to keep private companies in business. all I am saying, as a conservative, you sort of have to like him saying "no more" to the automakers.

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forced by who? did the army go in there and take over the place and force them to take the money? NO

the auto makers went to washington and begged for money, and agreed to everything the government wanted, especially give the government control. there were other options, seek investors around the globe but that would mean giving up control of the company to what ever individual or group came up with the funds, and they would want to pay less then your worth. but no, the automakers were greedy, and the deal with the government meant that they had to give up some power in exchange for money, but when they re-payed that money they would get their power back.

now I didnt say it was a good deal if your a conservative, after all in a free market system companies fail and its not the people responsibility to keep private companies in business. all I am saying, as a conservative, you sort of have to like him saying "no more" to the automakers.
You are correct that no one put a gun to the GM executives' heads and said "sign here." I am more disappointed that our government took our money, and handed it over to GM, but that gives no right for the POTUS to tell GM how to run that company. Again, no where in the constitution does it grant the right for the president to tell a company's CEO to stand down.

GM is finding that there are more strings attached to this money than they originally thought. I don't remember seeing anywhere when they originally got the bailout money, that the government had any right to regulate how GM has to do business, other than that they had to repay the loan. Oh, that's right, the "regulate" part wasn't there until Obama entered the oval office...

Again, as a conservative, I don't like Obama telling the automakers one word of his slander, and neither should any conservative here.
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I would also like to add that our president has said, that "We have no intention of running GM", yet here he is telling the CEO to stand down, but notice how he didn't say one word to change how the UAW does business...

And I do believe that the government did force GM to take the money, partly through CAFE standards and regulations through our government, and partly through the UAW. No guns were needed, just some undermining of our free market.

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"We cannot, we must not, and we will not let our auto industry simply vanish. This industry is, like no other, an emblem of the American spirit; a once and future symbol of America's success. It is what helped build the middle class and sustained it throughout the 20th century. It is a source of deep pride for the generations of American workers whose hard work and imagination led to some of the finest cars the world has ever known. It is a pillar of our economy that has held up the dreams of millions of our people. But we also cannot continue to excuse poor decisions. And we cannot make the survival of our auto industry dependent on an unending flow of tax dollars. These companies -- and this industry -- must ultimately stand on their own, not as wards of the state."

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I heard today that GM has 11 profitable models that will most likely be done away with by the government because they "guzzle gas" and so forth. What kind of an idiot eliminates profitable inventory when rebuilding a business?
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I heard today that GM has 11 profitable models that will most likely be done away with by the government because they "guzzle gas" and so forth. What kind of an idiot eliminates profitable inventory when rebuilding a business?
A statist and a marxist, that's who.
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