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What happens when America goes bankrupt?

We are on the track, but seriously, what happens when the other countries stop believing on our dollar, and basically the government bankrupts itself? That is beyond a depression...
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We are on the track, but seriously, what happens when the other countries stop believing on our dollar, and basically the government bankrupts itself? That is beyond a depression...
We pull out the arsenals we've been building and dig in, probably.
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Can't Obama just print more money? lol
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Can't Obama just print more money? lol
Zimbabwe comes to mind.
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We are on the track, but seriously, what happens when the other countries stop believing on our dollar, and basically the government bankrupts itself? That is beyond a depression...
Other countries will fold faster. Believe me, if we fall, others will come with us. We're the pilot for the world economy, so if we crash the plane, others perish with us.

I don't think that will happen, but if it does, I could see us walling off our country and becoming self sufficient.

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I am thinking Nuclear War.
What good would that do ? And who would benefit from nuking us ?

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Other countries will fold faster. Believe me, if we fall, others will come with us. We're the pilot for the world economy, so if we crash the plane, others perish with us.

I don't think that will happen, but if it does, I could see us walling off our country and becoming self sufficient.
With out a doubt , if the United States goes down , we will drag 3/4 of the worlds economy with us .
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They will join us with Mexico and Canada and start the new currency the AMERO. We are not very far from it happening they just won't discuss it yet.

Our government needs our help, they have an addiction. Our government is addicted to our money. Since they always have our best interest at heart it's time we return the favor. We need to have an intervention, for the governments own good of course. It's just irresponsible for us to let people with a known money addiction continue to handle our money. Lets have an intervention now so we can help these sick individuals.
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With out a doubt , if the United States goes down , we will drag 3/4 of the worlds economy with us .
Maybe China's way of calling in all the notes due.....Countries sometimes do awful things when they are mad and starving.
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They will join us with Mexico and Canada and start the new currency the AMERO. We are not very far from it happening they just won't discuss it yet.
Bingo. This shit didn't really happen by accident.

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Whats in it for the United States to join with Mexico or Canada ? I honestly never could figure out that logic .
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Bingo. This shit didn't really happen by accident.

I've been wondering that myself for a while.
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Whats in it for the United States to join with Mexico or Canada ? I honestly never could figure out that logic .
A cheap, desperate labor pool with no power and control of more natural resources for the wealthy to have more power and make more money.
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Why do you think the euro dollar was created for? Europe has been using the US dollar since WW2 since their money was worthless after the war and there was so many different currencies. They came up with the euro to replace the dollar when the dollar becomes worthless, which is coming.

What does that mean for us when the world turns away from the dollar? Your money is worthless and therefor you are worthless in the "global economy" our government pushes so much. You didnt think that you could get rid of the manufacturing and still have respect in the world did you? Countries are asking now, why should they look to the US? All we do is consume and dont provide any goods and our money is worthless..

I know alot of you people are against protectionism but alot of countries do it and we should have. I hear all this talk about us being uncompetitive because our business taxes. Well we were uncompetitive way before that, the cost of living here is WAY WAY higher than alot of countries so there is no way we could compete from the beginning. It was a recipe for disaster allowing third world countries to run american companies out of business. If you dont believe me, look at europe. We dont do alot of business with them because stuff from europe is expensive for us and we can make what we need cheaper here. You havent seen massive exodus of jobs to europe, they all going to countries that have dirt cheap labor...its not taxes.

Then there has been a push last decade or so about college for every american, what a joke.
First off, college isnt for everyone. Second, do we need that many doctors and lawyers? Third, this will make those degrees worthless after everyone has one. Fourth, you will end up with a buncha people doing jobs that arent passionate about. You really want somebody who is only a doctor for the money working on you?

I dont get it, who in the fucking hell decided all this outsourcing and visa shit was a good idea? They took what worked and made this country strong and threw it out the window. This is/was a hardworking blue collar country, we got shit done!

You can go anywhere in the world with a education and be somewhat sucessful, but only in america could a regular guy actually get somewhere. I feel like its all gone now since the days of normal job security are gone. Its sad and it pisses me off, i feel like our government sold us out and betrayed the people.

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going to war is a great way to temporarily jump start an economy
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Other currencies will fall as fast or faster than the dollar. The strongest thing we have going is our consumerism. We sold everything else out.
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Other countries will fold faster. Believe me, if we fall, others will come with us. We're the pilot for the world economy, so if we crash the plane, others perish with us.

I don't think that will happen, but if it does, I could see us walling off our country and becoming self sufficient.

Absolutely, the others will fold faster than the US does. I think you'll see a run on foreign currencies & they'll all flock to the US dollar and we'll have a money shortage.

In the end, China, Russia & the others will do whatever is needed to prop up the US. Because if we go down, the whole planet goes down.

Ultimately, the US will end up about 20% foreign owned to pay off our debts.
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China will declare war on us and take us over. Multi-million man chinese army is coming.
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China will declare war on us and take us over. Multi-million man chinese army is coming.
Highly doubtful.

How would they get the multi million man chinese army here?
Boat? Tomohawk cruise missile> boat!

IF they manage to get here, how would they feed themselves?
Highly doubtful they'd be able to take over our farmland for any prolonged period.

How would they provide air cover for their million man army?
MIGS? HA! Dont make me laugh.


We are in a very good strategic position in the world. All of the people who hate us (and can do anything about it) are on the other side of the planet.
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wow the ignorance displayed here is amazing. I got news for you people that think our military equipment is so grand. The chinese arent using MIGS, they have been designing their own equipment for decades now. They have a new jet, the J10 which rivals our new F22 and an attack chopper, the Z10 which is on par with the apache. Plus the specs are more secret than out own since they dont sell their military equipment to the world and its not posted all over the internet.

Basically our whole defense is based on the carriers....what do ya suppose would stop them if they were able to take them out? If i wanted to attack america, my number one target would be the carriers, then its home free. We havent even gotten into the russians which are capable of giving the US military a hard time, their equipment has been used to fight us for decades already.

You didnt think the chinese were gonna stay with building cheap shit to export to us did ya? They are using the manufacturing base to develop and design better equipment, they are arming themselves with modern technology fast.

You guys are so worried about the terrorists and have forgotten about the commies. They are more of a threat then the terrorists even dreamed of being and we have never successfully defeated them, both major wars we fought with them ended in stalemate. If something happens it will be all the communist countries together im sure, that will be the only way i think they would have a good chance at success and we are funding our own destruction thru china.....awesome.

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China will declare war on us and take us over. Multi-million man chinese army is coming.
They have 2.5 million active duty now with another 800k in reserves and nearly 4 million more in paramilitary groups (internal police forces). This is a voluntary army, with a draft they could easily add 20 million more troops in a month.

Luckily for us they don't have any way to get their troops here without us knowing about it. Unluckily for us though the Russians do and they have a nice country in South America to station them out of.
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have a new jet, the J10 which rivals our new F22
New? If by a 20 year old Generation 4 design. (non stealth) without planned form alignment , without aesa radar, without supercruise. That has to use a RUSSIAN engine (AL-31F) then you'd be right.
For gods sake, its a damn delta wing! The dassault Rafale has already done this, Twenty Two years ago. And it's already nearly outdated.
Yea, Thatll kick our gen5 fighters ass LOL!

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wow the ignorance displayed here is amazing. I got news for you people that think our military equipment is so grand. The chinese arent using MIGS, they have been designing their own equipment for decades now.
Really,building for decades you say? If by trying to get ONE engine design to work (currently in the twin-engine J-8), , and stuffing that one engine into a jet based on the RUSSIAN Sukhoi, then yes, you would be correct. They are still trying to make modifications for a single engined fighter.
Here is a comment on that marvelous engine

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5961023.ece

"The Chinese engine is believed to take twice as long as the Russian one to reach the same level of performance: the lag of up to one minute could mean the difference between life or death for a pilot needing to restart his engine or eject. The aviation expert said: “These single-engine fighters are often known as widow-makers.”


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Plus the specs are more secret than out own since they dont sell their military equipment to the world and its not posted all over the internet.
Really, then please tell me why they have forty on order to pakistan ONLY IF they can build an engine for it without relying on russia.

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Oh and the chinese dont use migs anymore??

interesting......

http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html

THE NEW CHINESE ARMY AIR FORCE


2006 CURRENT ESTIMATED INVENTORY PLAAF

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People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF)

Aerospatiale SA.316 6
Aerospatiale SA.321 10
Aerospatiale SA.342L 8
Antonov AN-26 12
Antonov AN-30 8
Boeing 767-300ER 1
Boeing 737 10
Boeing 737C3 1
British Aero Trident 1E 6
British Aero Trident 2E 10
Canadair CL-601 5
Changhe Z-11 30 AS-555
Chengdu J-10 12 < The ENTIRE compliment of your holier then thou j-10
Chengdu J-7 322 MiG-21
Chengdu J-7II 99
Eurocopter AS332 6
Guizhou JJ-7 50 MiG-21
HAIG K-8J 25
Harbin H-5 150 Il-28
Harbin HJ-5 87 Il-28
Harbin Hz-5 40 Il-28
Harbin Y-11 15
Harbin Y-12 2
Harbin Z-6 30
Harbin Z-9 25 AS365N
Ilyushin KL-2000 2
Ilyushin IL-18 10
Ilyushin IL-76 20
MiG (* see note) MiG-31 24
Mil MI-6 3
Mil MI-8 30
Mil MI-17 24
Mil MI-171 69
Mil MI-171v-5 35
Nanchang CJ-6 1419 MiG-19
Nanchang Q-5 500
Shaanxi Y-8 48 An-12
Shenyang J-6 1000 MiG-19
Shenyang J-7 300 MiG-21
Shenyang J-8/-8II 180
Shenyang JJ-6 150 MiG-19
Shenyang JZ-6 100 MiG-19
Shenyang J-11 67 SU-27SK
Shijiazhuang Y-5 300 An-2
Sikorsky S-70 22
Sukhoi SU-27SK 52
Sukhoi SU-27UBK 40
Sukhoi SU-30 72
Tupolev TU-154M/D 4
Xian H-6 132 Tu-16
Xian Y-7 23 An-24

People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN)

Chengdu Z-8 12 SA321
Chengdu J-7 100 MiG-21
Harbin H-5 50 IL-28
Harbin H-6 30 Tu-16
Harbin SH-5 4
Harbin Z-5 6 Mi-4
Harbin Z-9 25 AS365N
Kamov Ka-28 8
Nanchang Q-5 93
Shaanxi Y-8 AEW 2
Shenyang J-5 100 MiG-17
Shenyang J-6 300 MiG-19
Sukhoi SU-30 24
Shijiazhuang Y-5 50 AN-2
Xian H-6 51
Xian Y-7 4 AN-24
Xian JH-7 20

I see alot of migs there (3865 migs of a 6000 aircraft military), hmmm... must be a typo

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I never said they didnt use MIGS but that list is from 2006. im willing to bet they have more than what we think, they are a secretive country. I was just saying that arent completely using 1980s russian tech. They have and are developing equipment on par with the rest of the world, but how fast do you think they could increase production of that J10 or anything else if they needed? All ya have to do is look at how fast we ramped up production in WW2. The germans thought the same thing about us after all. I think you are underestimating them, history has shown whoever can produce the fastest has a huge advantage. Now their reasons to do such would have to align but if they did we could be in trouble. So you go ahead and talk about how we could kick their asses, im still pissed off we even gave them the fucking chance since given enough time they will be able to solve the problems they have. Did you read they part about chinese aircraft carriers? WW3 might be a few decades off but things should be intresting. Dont forgot russian has been flexing again, venezula would love to help and then there is north korea.

As for my holy J10, give me a fucking break. I was just saying that they do have a jet on par with our brand new f22 that was developed in country and we didnt even know a thing about it till they admitted to it 2006.

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wow the ignorance displayed here is amazing. I got news for you people that think our military equipment is so grand. The chinese arent using MIGS, they have been designing their own equipment for decades now. They have a new jet, the J10 which rivals our new F22 and an attack chopper, the Z10 which is on par with the apache. Plus the specs are more secret than out own since they dont sell their military equipment to the world and its not posted all over the internet.
Wow you fooled me on that one. Cause I coulda swore you said they weren't using MIGS. Maybe I am taking the words "The chinese aren't using Migs" out of context.

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As for my holy J10, give me a fucking break. I was just saying that they do have a jet on par with our brand new f22 that was developed in country and we didnt even know a thing about it till they admitted to it 2006.
How the hell is it "on par" with the F22?
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NO stealth capability - no planned form alignment, meaning a radar signature of a blimp.
NO Supercruise - sucks fuel faster than gpamp on Obamessiah.
NO Aesa Radar - cannot jam radar, can't jam radar guided missiles like we can.

How is a chinese knock off of a sukhoi "on par" with an f22? The closest thing to the f22 is, well the f35 (and thats ours and the coalitions jet, and in the testing stages)

The ONLY test for the f22 will be the sukhoi Su 47. Which is not even in the development stages (still on the drawing board) estimated completion 2018.

A generation 4 fighter does NOT compare to a generation 5 fighter.

a gen 5 fighter has no radar signature, meaning it will attack and destroy a target from outside visual range and the gen4 fighter has no idea what is going on.

If a Gen 4 fighter HAPPENS to stumble on a gen 5, The Aesa radar system can jam radar guided missiles, leaving only guns and heat seekers for the gen 4 to use.

The Gen 5s maneuverability is greatly enhanced by the first TOTAL fly by wire system, giving full control to the pilot. An f22 can literally STOP in mid air, and turn itself around, meaning in a dogfight, unless the f22 pilot is a moron, he'll win. Name ANY other fighter with that kind of maneuverability.

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"The nose is now oval shape rather than round shape, this leads to speculation that this is built for an AESA radar, which I would agree with. It's pretty obvious that AESA radar is intended for this plane, although I'm not sure where NRIET is on mass production of T/R modules"

Theres your AESA radar. You act like they are subhuman, like they are incapable of doing exactly what we did. Given the enormous resources they have now, i wouldnt say its far off. As for comparison, i was refering to performance. And as you pointed out, they are a very close ally to russia so come war time they will no doubt get help. Maybe they are harmless, i dont know, but id rather them just be rice patty workers with bamboo hats intead of an emergening threat to america, its effing scary.

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When was the last time a occupying force managed to completely dominate and take over the local population that they were occupying?
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If america were to go bankrupt it would be worse for the rest of the world (China would feel the pinch harder than anyone) due to the fact that we are the ones buying all the products manufactured in foreign countries. The world needs us because we keep their people employed with our buying power. But that would only be the first problem the world would have. We have 5% of the world population and 20% of its farmland. We go bankrupt and Americans have to go without cheap flatscreen tvs. China on the other hand has a little over 20% of the worlds pop. and only 5% of its farmland (which is turning to desert do to poor farming practices and is already importing rice from the U.S. to meet demands), so they will have cheap tvs but no food. Europe does better due to larger agriculture output and a smaller population. Russia has plenty of farmland but a lot of mouths to feed. Basically it is in everyones best intrest that the U.S. stays somewhat stable.
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When was the last time a occupying force managed to completely dominate and take over the local population that they were occupying?
Vietnam is about the best example i can think of off the top of my head

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No we got kicked out. Just like the French.
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It can be done you just have to kill off all or most of the local people to do it. The last one I can think of is either the american indian or australian aboriganese( not sure if thats the right spelling). My point was just that it would be very very difficult for the chinese to invade and defeat the american public no matter how large the army.
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huh? After we pulled out the south tried to fight back without us and got their asses kicked. Then the north came in and took over everything and ruled ever since. Thats exactly what you asked.

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huh? After we pulled out the south tried to fight back without us and got their asses kicked. Then the north came in and took over everything and ruled ever since. Thats exactly what you asked.




No the French was the occuping force. Then we got involved and we became the occupiers. Do you think south Vietnam would have fallen had the majority of people in that country didn't want to be communists. They were not occupiers they had lived there their whole lives just like their father and their fathers before them. Thats like saying the people of Colorado are being occupied by California because of the amount of people and the change in lifestyles the californians have affected there.
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No the French was the occuping force. Then we got involved and we became the occupiers. Do you think south Vietnam would have fallen had the majority of people in that country didn't want to be communists.
When communism is an improvement over your current lifestyle it looks pretty good. It doesn't make any sense for Americans to want communism since there is so much oppurtunity here but some people are stupid. The funniest thing about it though is that the worker party movements are in California (Berkeley primarily) and are recruiting college kids in one of wealthiest parts of the country. Back to the stupid part.
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huh? After we pulled out the south tried to fight back without us and got their asses kicked. Then the north came in and took over everything and ruled ever since. Thats exactly what you asked.




No the French was the occuping force. Then we got involved and we became the occupiers. Do you think south Vietnam would have fallen had the majority of people in that country didn't want to be communists. They were not occupiers they had lived there their whole lives just like their father and their fathers before them. Thats like saying the people of Colorado are being occupied by California because of the amount of people and the change in lifestyles the californians have affected there.
Whoa, wait a sec...the south vietnamese WANTED to be communist?! Im sure tens of thousands of vietnam vets would disagree, i know my dad would.

So does that mean that evil america was denying the people of south vietnam from what they wanted? That would mean that the south koreans want to be commies aswell right?

How is an unwelcome force, even when they look exactly like the indigenous people but with a totally different view of life any different than any other outside force?

They came in, took over and have remained in control since. You asked for an example and i gave a perfect one which was only about 30-35 years ago.

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LMFAO!!! i heard tonight that the G20 wants to remove the dollar as the reserve currency. Ive been saying for years that it was coming, once the US starts to stumble the commies will pounce and they have! Russia and china are hand in hand on this. I fucking knew it, we gave china the ability to remove the US from the world table economically.

The chinese outsmarted us, they used our economy against us, brilliant! They arent stupid enough to try an all out war, they need to bankrupt us first and we unknowlying helped them do it! You think shits expensive now, wait till this happens! You think any other country is gonna give two shits about the US? Its either us or them people, they are only looking after themselves.

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LMFAO!!! i heard tonight that the G20 wants to remove the dollar as the reserve currency. Ive been saying for years that it was coming, once the US starts to stumble the commies will pounce and they have! Russia and china are hand in hand on this. I fucking knew it, we gave china the ability to remove the US from the world table economically.

The chinese outsmarted us, they used our economy against us, brilliant! They arent stupid enough to try an all out war, they need to bankrupt us first and we unknowlying helped them do it! You think shits expensive now, wait till this happens! You think any other country is gonna give two shits about the US? Its either us or them people, they are only looking after themselves.
I'm not even going to get into this because it is after midnight and work comes early, but man you really should research global economics before you get into it with some of the people on here. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. In one post you are talking about China invading and the next you say they aren't stupid enough to do that. It seems to the casual observer that your posts/ideas are changing as sc281 is systematically proving you wrong in each post.

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I said i dont think it will happen anytime soon, they will have to bankrupt us first and it wont be just china. It will be china and russia, probably north korea and venezula, mexico would probably join in if they were granted southern states. I am just saying that china is more of a threat than i think common americans give them credit for. They say shit like "Our technology is light years ahead" and our "military is so much better", well that approach didnt work out too well for hitler did it? I dont doubt either one of those points coming from a marine family with a LONG history of defending this country, but against overwhelming odds history has shown who the victor is mulitple times. This shit got started 30 years ago, it isnt nothing new and its now coming full circle.

As for economics, youre right, im not even close to an economist but i do know and have heard from mulitiple sources that if the world abandons the dollar it will hurt us more than we can imagine. Basically all US power will have been removed, we lost the manufacturing as we were the worlds cheap supplier before china and now we stand to lose our last trading advantage which is our currency.

Replaced by china as they are the emerging super power. They are carrying all our debt and loaning us money. They are wondering why we are still the basis of the world economy and not them. They are communists by the way and have caused the world much grief in wars past by invading and trying to spread communism, thats what the cold war was about for the young people that dont pay attention to history.

Its just a common sense way of looking at it and i know its alot more complicated than that but in a country where we import everything, losing the dollar as world currency would make things even more expensive. When you start looking at how fast the dollar is losing value due to the government printing money as fast as they can and the other currencies gaining.

No need for anybody to get ugly, about it. I hate it just as much as anybody but im sure as hell not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend its not the single most important issue facing the country. People always talk about freedom not being free and how the military defends that. Well the blue collar manufacturing base is what backed that military up and made this country powerful.

I do tend to be a bit of a pessimistic and i honestly hope im dead wrong and things just go back to "normal", but it really isnt looking like it will.

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Aside from all the other topics being discussed on here, China has answers to the same questions:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/...lobal_currency

End times? Nah... I'll just dust of the 'ol tinfoil hat.
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Yea no shit, those sneaky ass communists have been/are up to something.

Speaking of, if you guys havent ever listened to Eisenhowers farewell speach i suugest you do. I respect that man so much, what he talks about has in a way came to be. Pisses me off that men like him fought so hard to defend and make this country what it was then people now days basically gave it away. I ask myself, what did all those americans die for only to have us grow arrogant and ignorant. There is more to a countrys power than just its military strength, productivity is also vital as i have mentioned more than a few times.

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Aside from all the other topics being discussed on here, China has answers to the same questions:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/...lobal_currency

End times? Nah... I'll just dust of the 'ol tinfoil hat.
beginning of the new world order.
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When was the last time a occupying force managed to completely dominate and take over the local population that they were occupying?
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Vietnam is about the best example i can think of off the top of my head
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No we got kicked out. Just like the French.
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Denny i was referring to the north vietnamese as the "occupying" force as the one that succeded in taking over a country that didnt want to be taken over.

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Denny i was referring to the north vietnamese as the "occupying" force as the one that succeded in taking over a country that didnt want to be taken over.
I was agreeing with you. LOL
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a. i dont think it's end of times for the us. fiscal solvency could be a real problem, but if we fail, we take down a lot of folks with us.

b. don't forget Texas has the right to withdraw from these here united states. if you ask me, it's a wonderful wild card to have.

i trust this state, we have a fucking surplus, a hands-the-fuck-off government with limited powers and i bet we would all carry a six-shooter on our belts.
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